Nw220 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Well you have to be an insider on Espn to get it i dono why (???) but i still managed to find it, thought some people might wanna see it... Indianapolis Colts Record: 2-14 * Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford We don't know yet who will be coaching the Colts in 2012 and we don't know who will be starting at quarterback, but I have a pretty good hunch Luck will be on the roster. I've said it before: He's the best quarterback prospect I've evaluated since John Elway, which also makes him a player who should be ready to start in Week 1 if the Colts do part ways with Peyton Manning. As a college player, Luck thinks and reads the game at an advanced level, can make adjustments on the fly and call plays and audibles at a remarkably high level for his age. He throws well moving left or right, keeps his eyes down the field and gets through progressions and into checkdowns extremely well. Nobody expects an easy transition for a rookie signal-caller, but Luck has the tools to make the transition easier than most. St. Louis Rams Record: 2-14 * Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St. There's a clear value question here, because I think St. Louis could leverage this position to trade down for more picks for 2012 and into the future, and then still target Blackmon perhaps a few spots later. But if the Rams can't find a dance partner for a trade, Blackmon still represents precisely what this offense needs. Sam Bradford took a step back in 2011, but he got little help, and Blackmon is a big target, a great route runner and a workaholic who could transition and learn the pro game quickly. St. Louis also could try to shore up an offensive line that took a step back, but Blackmon right now represents the top wide receiver in the draft and fills a big need for the Rams. It should be noted there are a number of teams drafting behind St. Louis that need an elite wide receiver. Minnesota Vikings Record: 3-13 * Matt Kalil, OT, USC The Vikings are another team with a young quarterback, and while they could use a target such as Blackmon in the offense, they also really need to shore up their protection. You see a lot of left tackles drafted and moved to the right side as they transition into the NFL -- Tyron Smith with Dallas last year is a recent case -- but Kalil has big-time talent and could start on the left side early. I don't think the comparisons to Jake Long are too far off. Athletic, with long arms, great feet and deceptive power given an athletic frame, Kalil also could land at No. 2. Cleveland Browns Record: 4-12 * Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor If a team moves ahead of the Browns for Griffin, they also could be in play for Blackmon, or even the guy I have at No. 5, Trent Richardson. However, the questions on Colt McCoy's ceiling as a starting NFL quarterback are getting louder, and if the Browns don't go after a solution such as Matt Flynn, a quarterback certainly could be in play here. Griffin made big strides this past season, particularly with his deep accuracy. He is a big-time athlete at the quarterback position but has developed a very good pocket presence and the ability to read the game, and his big arm comes with a nice touch on intermediate throws. He is a leader and has intangibles that should really impress evaluators during the draft process. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Record: 5-11 * Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama Don't simply dismiss the idea that Richardson could land here because of the presence of LaGarrette Blount. For one, we know that if you want a potent running game in the NFL, it can't be built simply around one running back. The reality of injuries is too much of a constant to overlook. Secondly, are the Bucs ready to commit to a longer deal with Blount after the 2012 season? Bottom line, the idea can't be dismissed from a team-building standpoint, and that's before you get to what kind of a player Richardson is. A physical freak, he is extraordinarily powerful, explodes from contact, has lower mileage than many third-year studs because he split carries as a freshman and sophomore with Mark Ingram and has developed as a pass-catcher. Richardson is a first-year impact player. Washington Redskins Record: 5-11 * Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU While the "Honey Badger," Tyrann Mathieu, piled up the headlines at LSU, the best cornerback on the team was quietly dominant all season. Currently a top-five player on my Big Board, Claiborne is the top cornerback in the draft. He has good length at 6-foot-1 and is a physical player at more than 180 pounds. The Redskins will need help at corner headed into 2012, particularly in a division in which the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles have elite talent at wide receiver. While not quite the athlete, Claiborne is actually a better pure cover corner than Patrick Peterson, the No. 5 overall pick from last year. Jacksonville Jaguars Record: 5-11 Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina The Jags desperately need help at wide receiver, but they also really need help in the pass rush. They got to opposing quarterbacks less than two times a game in 2011, and Coples would fit the scheme as the current top 4-3 defensive end in the draft. Coples has great length at 6-foot-6, and while he has excellent skills as a pass-rusher, he also has the size to hold up in the run game. He doesn't quite have the athleticism of former North Carolina star Julius Peppers but should be able to upgrade the Jacksonville pass rush immediately, and guys with his size and skills aren't that easy to find. Carolina Panthers Record: 6-10 * Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama Were they to line up Kirkpatrick across from Chris Gamble, the Panthers would have a pair of corners with elite size and talent in a divison in which you can't have enough good corners. Opponents completed a hair less than 65 percent of their passes against the weak Carolina secondary in 2011, and Kirkpatrick can provide an immediate upgrade. He has elite size for the position, at 6-foot-3 and nearly 200 pounds, but doesn't give much away in cover skills. Kirkpatrick has some off-the-field questions that could hurt his stock, but reserving judgement for now, he'd be a fit here. Miami Dolphins Record: 6-10 * Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa The Dolphins made big improvments to the offensive line last year with their first-round pick, and Reiff would offer them an immediate starter and make the offensive line a big strength. Reiff's tape was exceptional this past season, and he has a lot of experience and a proven ability against top competition. The Dolphins were very close to being a good team in 2011, and I do think they can target a player on offense, although help at outside linebacker also makes sense. The Dolphins could be another team looking for options at quarterback, but even if they go into the season with Matt Moore back as starter, Reiff adds further stability to an offense that could continue to improve. Buffalo Bills Record: 6-10 Courtney Upshaw, LB, Alabama Buffalo did well when it drafted Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus with its first pick last year, but the pass rush still needs a lot of help. Upshaw is currently the best 3-4 outside linebacker in the draft, and he should be able to apply a lot of pressure to opposing quarterbacks from the edge for whoever gets him for 2012. No Buffalo player had more than 5.5 sacks in 2011, and the Bills simply can't get enough pressure without bringing extra players. Upshaw is a part of the solution. This is a big-time talent, a player who already was making an impact at Alabama as a freshman. He'll follow a similar path as a pro. Kansas City Chiefs Record: 7-9 Devon Still, DT, Penn St. Romeo Crennel could use a disruptive interior line presence in his system, and Still can be a penetrator in the 3-4, capable of occupying blockers and making plays in against the run while also splitting gaps against the pass. He came on in 2011 at Penn State and should help this defense up front, as the Chiefs also get Eric Berry back in the secondary in 2012. With this kind of reinforcement, the Chiefs have a chance to become an upper-echelon defense going forward, something they showed glimpses of this past season. Seattle Seahawks Record: 7-9 Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina The Seahawks have quietly made major strides in overhauling the roster and finding solutions to grow with in the past two years. Last year, they targeted offensive linemen early, and with the addition of Sidney Rice and Doug Baldwin, also have good talent at wide receiver. Even banged up at O-line, they ran the ball with some effectiveness. Obviously, quarterback remains a big question, but that's not something they can target at this spot in the draft. What they can do is add a final piece to a defense that is young, fast and extremely good in the secondary. The linebacking corps was strengthened by the emergence of K.J. Wright. So the work is up front and at defensive end for a team that was just 23rd in the NFL last year in sack percentage. Ingram is just big enough to fit this system as a 4-3 defensive end, and should add a boost to the pass rush early. Arizona Cardinals Record: 8-8 * Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford The Cardinals need to mend the offensive line -- they haven't drafted an offensive lineman before the fifth round since 2007 -- and Martin is an athletic, powerful left tackle who can help upgrade this unit immediately. While questions remain about what the Cardinals have at the quarterback position after they committed so much both in terms of value and dollars to Kevin Kolb, there's no question they have to be better up front regardless of who takes the snaps. Again, that's a long time to go without getting some talent up front early in a draft. Martin would be a solid value here. Dallas Cowboys Record: 8-8 * David DeCastro, OG, Stanford Last year, the Cowboys got Tyron Smith at No. 9 overall, and that pick helped them turn over the offensive line. The results were pretty good in 2011. With DeCastro, the Cowboys have a chance to solidify the interior of the line, helping both the running game and protection for Tony Romo and make that unit a strength. The way I see it, the Cowboys have good pieces in place at every other spot on the offense. The talent at wide receiver and tight end is fine, Romo was quietly among the top-performing quarterbacks and there's plenty at running back. Doubling down on the O-line should be an option for Jerry Jones. If the value is there, Dallas could also target the secondary. Philadelphia Eagles Record: 8-8 * Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College The Eagles were really weak up the middle in 2011, and Kuechly is the top interior linebacker available in the draft. Since Brian Dawkins departed, safety has also been a perpetual question mark, so I could see that being considered here. But in Kuechly you get a player who can fill a massive void in the defense. He's a guy who can come in and start immediately; he's got exceptional instincts, is a very good athlete, demonstrates great form and can fly around making tackles in the middle of the field. He's just a machine. Last year, few teams were forced to utilize lesser talent at linebacker than Philly, and Kuechly can help fix that problem. New York Jets Record: 8-8 Mark Barron, S, Alabama Last year the Jets targeted help up front in the first round, and while the pass rush still needs some work, the secondary is a big concern because of the way the Jets' safeties got abused this year. You'd see teams lining up bigger receivers in the slot to target New York's smaller safeties and force Rex Ryan to make some tough decisions in coverage. In Barron, the Jets would get the best safety in the draft, a big, rangy talent with big-game experience and the ability to match up against taller receivers and tight ends. The Jets have schemed around a weakness at safety, but it's time to put a better talent back there. Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland) Record: 8-8 Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska It says a lot about last year's draft that Cincinnati can put the focus back on defense with one of its first-round picks in 2012. Dennard is a solid, physical cover corner who would offer a talent upgrade in the secondary. The Bengals could go a few directions here, but after getting a decent year out of veteran Nate Clements, they should look at getting a younger player who can develop even as he helps early. Dennard fits the bill. San Diego Chargers Record: 8-8 Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia The Chargers fell apart up front this past season, mostly due to injury, and Glenn is one of those really attractive picks who can help you immediately because he can play pretty much everywhere. That's what he did during his time at Georgia, as a dominating guard who also has worked on the edge at a high level. Glenn is a safe pick, and the Chargers simply must do something up front to help Philip Rivers get comfortable again. He struggled in 2011, but his problems started up front. Chicago Bears Record: 8-8 Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame If the Bears learned anything when Jay Cutler went down this season, it was that the offense wasn't very pretty without him. But Cutler also needs help. Last year, Chicago had to start up front because the offensive line was such a weakness. But as the Bears anticipate getting some healthy bodies back up front to start 2012, they now must find some help for Cutler at wide receiver. The current group has some speed, but he could use a big target, and Floyd can be that guy. He has a big frame, but Floyd actually dropped some weight for the 2011 season, and he managed to look quicker and more explosive in and out of his breaks without giving up much as a physical receiver. He'd be a nice option in this offense and a threat in the red zone. Tennessee Titans Record: 9-7 * Nick Perry, DE, USC He started as a freshman at Southern Cal, and it's because he is just a natural pass-rusher. This season, he added to his repertoire, and he can help a team early as a pass-rushing specialist in a 4-3 defense. Tennessee's pass rush was really bad this season; the Titans got to opposing quarterbacks on just 4.52 percent of drop-backs, a rate that was 31st in the NFL. Perry probably could add some bulk to his frame, but his instincts as a pass-rusher are in place and the Titans certainly need the help. Cincinnati Bengals Record: 9-7 * Lamar Miller, RB, Miami (Fla.) Cedric Benson has been serviceable for the Bengals, but they desperately need to add some explosiveness in the run game. Even with what I considered an underrated offensive line, the Bengals managed just 3.9 yards per rush attempt this season. With solutions now in place in the passing game, they are one of the teams that can afford to take a shot on a potentially elite running back in the first or second round. Miller can run inside but also break off the big run, something the Bengals never got with Benson. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta) Record: 4-12 Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor Quietly, Wright had a season that almost matched Blackmon's in the Big 12. The Browns might not end up with Griffin with the No. 4 pick, but his teammate would make a lot of sense here. Greg Little is a developing big target and had a pretty good rookie season given the overall performance of the Cleveland offense. Wright is smaller at about 5-10, 190 pounds, but could add a speed threat this offense really needs. He can beat teams over the top with straight-line speed but also works underneath and will do a lot of damage after the catch. The Browns need weapons, and Wright, who also has great hands, fits the profile. Detroit Lions Record: 10-6 Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina Detroit again will go into the 2012 season with perhaps the best front four in the NFL. Martin Mayhew and Jim Schwartz calculated well that the secondary would make strides after being such a weakness in previous seasons. Where the Lions could use help is at linebacker, and Brown would be a good fit. Brown has great instincts as a rangy tackler, and he has a lot of speed and can run with tight ends. I certainly can see the Lions looking for help on the offensive line at this spot, but if a top tackle doesn't fall to them here, Brown makes sense. Pittsburgh Steelers Record: 12-4 * Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis Dick LeBeau can do a lot of things, but he can't scheme around age. The Steelers were very good on defense this season, but they simply have to get younger, particularly up front, if they want to maintain it. Poe has risen a lot for me in terms of value, but he's also a rarity, that zero-technique centerpiece to a 3-4 defense, the guy who simply eats up tacklers and is a human wall in the run game. If he develops, Poe can be the heir to Casey Hampton in the middle of that scheme, a human boulder who will free up those linebackers. Denver Broncos Record: 8-8 * Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St. Denver had some really good stretches on defense, particularly in the pass rush, but the Broncos weren't very consistent and the numbers were a little worse than people might realize. The pass rush is there on the outside, but Cox is a guy who can penetrate and get tackles for loss from the inside. The Broncos could go a few ways, including receiver if they see a value or perhaps corner. But the way the board falls here, Cox would be a good fit for a defense that better be elite as the offense attempts to find consistency. Houston Texans Record: 10-6 * Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers When Andre Johnson was lost for a long stretch this season, it didn't totally derail the Houston offense. What it did do was severely hamper the Texans' play-action game, which can be simply devastating with the combination of a steady run game and the presence of Matt Schaub. In that scheme, the Texans can pile up chunk yardage with the pass, and Sanu is the type of guy who can stretch the field and be a huge threat across from Johnson. And when you consider that Johnson will be 31 entering the 2012 season, the Texans need this kind of presence around if he misses any more time. Sanu is hugely productive, creates space, has good speed and can contribute early. New England Patriots (from Saints) Record: 13-3 * Michael Brockers, DL, LSU The Patriots have a pair of picks in the first round, and my guess is they'll look to get younger on the defensive line and work to add some pieces to a pass rush. That was something they really didn't address in last year's draft, but as creative and resourceful as they are, it might be time. Brockers could end up a lot higher than this when the evaluation process is over because his reputation is growing. I list him simply as a defensive lineman because the Pats could use him in a couple of different ways up front in that scheme. What he can do is add explosiveness on the interior -- he's a pentrator with the ability to dominate if left to a single blocker, which frees people up. Green Bay Packers Record: 15-1 Whitney Mercilus, LB, Illinois It was masked somewhat by reputation, but no team in the NFL had a lower sack rate than Green Bay during the regular season. And it was on display again in the playoffs -- the Packers simply can't create pressure without bringing blitzers, leaving the secondary vulnerable. Mercilus (pronounced "merciless") played to that description at Illinois this past season. I see him standing up as an outside linebacker after playing with his hand on the ground in college. At 6-4, 265 pounds, he has a good profile for the position, and he really knows how to get to the quarterback. The question on him is he really exploded this season, so the body of work is lighter than some, but the Packers need to find some pass-rush help and Mercilus is a good value here based on his current grade. New York Giants Record: 9-7 Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida St. The Giants have done a fantastic job of coaching up this offensive line after some big changes heading into the season, but they could get younger and add some talent, and Sanders would be a solid fit. This offense is going to be dynamic if it can open holes for the run game and provide time for Eli Manning, so an investment in the offensive line is never a bad idea. Baltimore Ravens Record: 12-4 * Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona St. He's been drawing comparisons to Ray Lewis since he got to Tempe, and hopefully Lewis will be around for another year to mentor Burfict. But either way, the Ravens have to consider what they'll do, as retirement talk now is a reality for their legendary linebacker, and Burfict is the kind of player who could develop into a star in his own right in that defense. He is instinctive and rangy, and plays with an edge. He developed a bit of a reputation as a guy who was prone to the personal foul, but if he channels that energy, Burfict could be a very good one. He has a ton of experience as an immediate freshman starter and reads the game pretty well. San Francisco 49ers Record: 13-3 * Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina The 49ers got much better production out of the offense this season, but I still see a need for a big target on the outside, something Braylon Edwards wasn't able to provide. Jeffery is an absolute beast, a guy who plays at more than 230 pounds and easily could top 6-foot-4 when he measures out. He goes up over corners and attacks the ball, catching it away from his body like a rebounder. The Niners struggled mightily in the red zone all season, and Jeffery might not be a burner but is the kind of player you can post up in the end zone to help solve that problem. New England Patriots Record: 13-3 Andre Branch, LB, Clemson A defensive end at the college level, Branch would convert to outside linebacker and add some immediate help to the New England pass rush. He racked up 10.5 sacks this past season and has a 6-foot-5, 260-pound frame, a good physical fit for the transition. Branch also has the athleticism to be more than a pure pass-rusher, as he should be able to develop into a well-rounded OLB under Bill Belichick A side note is he dosent predict trades *note* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nw220 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Also here is his 2011 Regrade of the Draft for the BROWNS Post-draft grade: B+ (1) - 21 - Phil Taylor (2) - 37 - Jabaal Sheard (2) - 59 - Greg Little (4) - 102 - Jordan Cameron (4) - 124 - Owen Marecic (5) - 137 - Buster Skrine (5) - 150 - Jason Pinkston (7) - 248 - Eric Hagg Summary: Forgive the superlatives, but this draft could be a quiet monster in terms of getting value up and down the board. It's a fair critique to wonder about the value of a rookie class on a top team versus the time rookies can see for a noncontender such as Cleveland. And the Browns still need to get something done on offense if they want to compete, particularly at quarterback. But you at least can say the strength of this team is on defense, and the first two picks were a big part of that. No. 21 overall pick Phil Taylor started all 16 games and proved to be a great fit in this scheme. Jabaal Sheard looks like a future star and piled up 8.5 sacks along with forcing five fumbles. Greg Little needs to become more consistent, but, after missing a year of football, he showed hints of future stardom -- he had seven more catches than Julio Jones. Buster Skrine looks really good in what was already a good secondary, and Jason Pinkston gave the Browns 16 starts after being taken at No. 150. Owen Marecic and Jordan Cameron have potential. The offense couldn't do enough to make this team competitive, but it can't really take the shine off this class for me. Put it this way: If the Browns make the playoffs next season, it won't be because they had to replace any of these picks. New grade: A- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 yeah here's his first mock from last year. tell me how many he got right? HA! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/579050-mel-kipers-2011-nfl-mock-draft-a-pick-by-pick-critique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Would have been nice to get A.J. Green there, damn bengals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Kiper is an over rated blowhard that has the backing of B(ulls##t)SPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I believe a lot of backroom mock drafters who barely break a hundred bucks a month from the web traffic they get on their site than the two dumb asses for ESPN who get payed a six figure salary to feed us a load a bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 yeah here's his first mock from last year. tell me how many he got right? HA! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/579050-mel-kipers-2011-nfl-mock-draft-a-pick-by-pick-critique Why don't you tell us how many he got right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Why don't you tell us how many he got right. I just checked. He got 3 out of 32 right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I just checked. He got 3 out of 32 right. That is probably no worse than anyone else who does a mock draft would do. I will say this: last year he had the Browns taking AJ Green. The Browns WOULD have taken AJ Green if he were there. But the Bengals snatched Green first. It is the whole butterfly effect. One move throws off the entire rest of the draft from the perspective of someone doing a mock. Think what the Browns situation would have been if AJ Green were there. They take him, which means they don't trade down. No Phil Taylor, no Greg Little....it is quite possible that not a single player that they got would have been taken by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 That is probably no worse than anyone else who does a mock draft would do. I will say this: last year he had the Browns taking AJ Green. The Browns WOULD have taken AJ Green if he were there. But the Bengals snatched Green first. It is the whole butterfly effect. One move throws off the entire rest of the draft from the perspective of someone doing a mock. Think what the Browns situation would have been if AJ Green were there. They take him, which means they don't trade down. No Phil Taylor, no Greg Little....it is quite possible that not a single player that they got would have been taken by them. Walterfootball got about 8 right last year including the first 5 picks, technically the 6th pick too cause he had us taking Jones and we traded the pick to Atlanta and they took him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Why don't you tell us how many he got right. the reason i threw up the link was i wanted people to look at themselves and read all the gibberish accompanied with each pick. the amount of time he spent writing up this mock and then to get 3 out of 32. hey i enjoy everything football. i enjoy reading mocks and commenting on them BUT just because a couple of guys make a mock with us taking RGlll doesn't mean it's set in stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 the reason i threw up the link was i wanted people to look at themselves and read all the gibberish accompanied with each pick. the amount of time he spent writing up this mock and then to get 3 out of 32. hey i enjoy everything football. i enjoy reading mocks and commenting on them BUT just because a couple of guys make a mock with us taking RGlll doesn't mean it's set in stone. I agree.....who foresees what happens in a draft. Who could have predicted that the Falcons would have moved up so far last year. Who can foresee if someone will jump to get RGIII? Actually, a lot of people see that happening...especially the Redskins or the Dolphins. The Browns, however, have no business giving up draft picks to take what I think is a question mark. If he is there with our pick and they want him, OK. But with all our needs, to give up a pick to move up? NYET. If RGIII is gone, go for Blackmon. If both Blackmon and RGIII are gone, go for Claiborne....or go for a trade down to give us more high picks. When you have needs at: QB, WR, DE, RT, RG OLB1, OLB2, FS, CB, RB maybe you go get more picks, not fewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnieCamacho84 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Mel Kiper sux dix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFanVisiting Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 That is probably no worse than anyone else who does a mock draft would do. I will say this: last year he had the Browns taking AJ Green. The Browns WOULD have taken AJ Green if he were there. But the Bengals snatched Green first. It is the whole butterfly effect. One move throws off the entire rest of the draft from the perspective of someone doing a mock. Think what the Browns situation would have been if AJ Green were there. They take him, which means they don't trade down. No Phil Taylor, no Greg Little....it is quite possible that not a single player that they got would have been taken by them. Actually my final mock draft last year got several more correct than Kiper. Just like almost all mocks out there have you guys taking RGIII, im wondering if you think Cleveland absolutely HAS to trade up with St. Louis to get him? At this point, and with the whole Rookie Wage Scale, im saying that almost HAVE to. I think if St. Louis is on the clock and no one trades with them, there will be guys on the phone with Minnesota. I think Cleveland has to trade up or theyll lose out on RGIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Lions fan, you are a homo. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFanVisiting Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Lions fan, you are a homo. Z Thanks, I appreciate the cut down. Didnt know what I did wrong, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thanks, I appreciate the cut down. Didnt know what I did wrong, but whatever. You had us trading up. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBrown Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 All else fails Richardson is there and we take him. He's NFL ready and runs with purpose kinda like Peterson. He'd fill a hole and would be the best available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 yeah here's his first mock from last year. tell me how many he got right? HA! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/579050-mel-kipers-2011-nfl-mock-draft-a-pick-by-pick-critique Um this link has a Jan 20, 2011 date on it so I hardly doubt that this was Mels final mock before the draft. The freaking complete draft order wasn't even set etc. Its fair to criticize Kiper but at least do so with his final mock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFanVisiting Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 You had us trading up. Z I dont understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 To early to tell who will be going here and there until after the combine. I'm sure we will find another over-hyped over-rated player like Jamarcuss Russell and Aaron Curry that everyone will fall in love with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nw220 Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Yeah this is only his first one pre- Senior Bowl Combine etc.. No one is saying to take it to Vegas and place bets on it, it just gives you another perspective on it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 That is probably no worse than anyone else who does a mock draft would do. I will say this: last year he had the Browns taking AJ Green. The Browns WOULD have taken AJ Green if he were there. But the Bengals snatched Green first. It is the whole butterfly effect. One move throws off the entire rest of the draft from the perspective of someone doing a mock. Think what the Browns situation would have been if AJ Green were there. They take him, which means they don't trade down. No Phil Taylor, no Greg Little....it is quite possible that not a single player that they got would have been taken by them. Gips, it's not just one year- compared to some other mock guys Kiper has consistently sucked in his predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Actually my final mock draft last year got several more correct than Kiper. Just like almost all mocks out there have you guys taking RGIII, im wondering if you think Cleveland absolutely HAS to trade up with St. Louis to get him? At this point, and with the whole Rookie Wage Scale, im saying that almost HAVE to. I think if St. Louis is on the clock and no one trades with them, there will be guys on the phone with Minnesota. I think Cleveland has to trade up or theyll lose out on RGIII. So we should take RG III just because a bunch of mock drafts say we should? AND trade up to do so? All depends on what kind of offers the Rams get for that pick. Let 'em trade out of it- to have Blackmon fall right in our lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 All else fails Richardson is there and we take him. He's NFL ready and runs with purpose kinda like Peterson. He'd fill a hole and would be the best available. Richardson will be there, take it to the bank. And we won't be taking him. "and runs with purpose kinda like Arian Foster" undrafted free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFanVisiting Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 So we should take RG III just because a bunch of mock drafts say we should? AND trade up to do so? All depends on what kind of offers the Rams get for that pick. Let 'em trade out of it- to have Blackmon fall right in our lap. If I were you guys, Id be very happy. Im sure you are anyway. Like mentioned in what I quoted, if you dont move up to take RGIII, be more than happy with Blackmon. I dont think the Browns 2012 is gonna be made or broken by the selection of RGIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsBacker91 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Kiper is a joke, there are more quality mocks out there than his. But on a side note, I hope the Browns pass on the whole RGIII phenomenon because although he is good the Browns have bigger needs than a QB. I'm hoping they do what they did last year and trade back a few picks and grab another first rounder for next year and a third or second rounder this year. Next year's draft is going to be loaded with QBs if McCoy doesn't prove himself yet again. Number one need for the Browns has to be a RT or RG, they were pitiful last year on the ride side. This is what I think they should do in the draft in order to most important: 1. OL (right side) 2. WR (Kendal Wright?) 3. OLB 4. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Um this link has a Jan 20, 2011 date on it so I hardly doubt that this was Mels final mock before the draft. The freaking complete draft order wasn't even set etc. Its fair to criticize Kiper but at least do so with his final mock. hey dipshit i was comparing his first mock of last year with his first mock of this year since everybody is jumping on his "the browns will pick RGlll" bandwagon. tell me, how did he do in his final mock einstein? fxxk mr. brylcream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 hey dipshit i was comparing his first mock of last year with his first mock of this year since everybody is jumping on his "the browns will pick RGlll" bandwagon. tell me, how did he do in his final mock einstein? fxxk mr. brylcream. I dont know how he did but everybodys mocks change based on combine performances, knowing the actual final draft order would help too. Its silly to say Mel Kiper sucks because his mock 3 months before the draft was only 9% accurate. Well how many other drafts sites were much better. The early mocks are just fun discussion starters until we get within a couple weeks of the draft. Free agency can also affect team needs, where they lose or gain players. Dont get mad a me for making because you made a dumb observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 only dumb observation was on your part because you didn't realize what we were talking about, johnny-come-lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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