brownfish Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm usually pretty negative...even my Mommas mashed potatoes can be lumpy at times...but i'm pretty excited about this hire, and the potential of getting EJ and Chud together...damn, this is going to be a great Year. I'm torn between letting Dawson go, but the Browns need stars of the past that kids can look up to...10 years from now i want to see Dawsons name hanging next to Grozas. He can kick for another 3-5 years...we have cap space. We need to pick up 2 great cover corners a couple of studs on D an awesome punter and EJ and hell we are stacked!!! ok, maybe one other key...a hall of fame fullback and we can say Dynasty!!!! Browns 2015 Super Bowl!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hate Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 EJ Manuel sucks, I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm usually pretty negative...even my Mommas mashed potatoes can be lumpy at times...but i'm pretty excited about this hire, and the potential of getting EJ and Chud together...damn, this is going to be a great Year. I'm torn between letting Dawson go, but the Browns need stars of the past that kids can look up to...10 years from now i want to see Dawsons name hanging next to Grozas. He can kick for another 3-5 years...we have cap space. We need to pick up 2 great cover corners a couple of studs on D an awesome punter and EJ and hell we are stacked!!! ok, maybe one other key...a hall of fame fullback and we can say Dynasty!!!! Browns 2015 Super Bowl!!! I don't see what one has to do with the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm usually pretty negative...even my Mommas mashed potatoes can be lumpy at times...but i'm pretty excited about this hire, and the potential of getting EJ and Chud together...damn, this is going to be a great Year. I'm torn between letting Dawson go, but the Browns need stars of the past that kids can look up to...10 years from now i want to see Dawsons name hanging next to Grozas. He can kick for another 3-5 years...we have cap space. We need to pick up 2 great cover corners a couple of studs on D an awesome punter and EJ and hell we are stacked!!! ok, maybe one other key...a hall of fame fullback and we can say Dynasty!!!! Browns 2015 Super Bowl!!! Wow, Jamarcus Russell - Ponder- Manuel. hurt, over rated. No thanks. Browns will almost certainly go D first round- they already spent the second on Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 we have to go D first. either a monster LB DE or CB from the SEC. no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Weeden is the type of arm Chud normally goes with anyway. He will get another season. You will see instead us going after a D player considering that we will most likely we switching back to the 3-4 or trading back and picking up a Guard or TE (TE being Chuds most beloved position). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Mark it down, the pick will be Jones or Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Mark it down, the pick will be Jones or Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITHIKA Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 u guys that are saying Jones, Manuel, Moore, Running Option QB are delusional! Chud can take or leave a running QB in his system. Do you think the panthers would run the option with Derek Anderson if Cam Newton went down? Come on guys! Chuds offense is predicated on TE's being heavily involved and deep passing routes. The prerequisite for a QB in his offense is to have a strong arm to make all the throws. Also, as has just been announced Turner will be our OC and last i checked he dint run the option in SD. Put the drafting a speedy QB to rest now guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 u guys that are saying Jones, Manuel, Moore, Running Option QB are delusional! Chud can take or leave a running QB in his system. Do you think the panthers would run the option with Derek Anderson if Cam Newton went down? Come on guys! Chuds offense is predicated on TE's being heavily involved and deep passing routes. The prerequisite for a QB in his offense is to have a strong arm to make all the throws. Also, as has just been announced Turner will be our OC and last i checked he dint run the option in SD. Put the drafting a speedy QB to rest now guys! no doubt watching Ozzie Newsome burn corners and safeties all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalty Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Making the throws is key... Weeden made some throws but then he would follow those with 3-4 terrible decisions or god awful overthrows. He will be 30 this October. I don't think there is a Franchise QB in this draft, but if there is - we need to find him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzz2 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 If the pick is D, and Millner is there, might as well pencil it in. 2 shut down corners make the D line and LB's that much better and effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 If the pick is D, and Millner is there, might as well pencil it in. 2 shut down corners make the D line and LB's that much better and effective. Because it worked so well for Philly and the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalty Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Because it worked so well for Philly and the Jets. I don't think two shut down corners are necessarily what we 'need'. Just having enough speed and smarts to make plays... Hell, Sheldon Brown even made some plays this year. I have a feeling we will go after some more DBs in later round but I wouldn't be surprised if they take 'the best available' at #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzz2 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Because it worked so well for Philly and the Jets. Hmm, Revis went down, only shut down corner they had. Cromartie was never a shut down corner in SD,so they were fleeced when they picked him up. Laron landry had one of his best tackling seasons, but other than that a average S. Their LB core is ok, but getting up there. average age of 30. David Harris is still pretty good. D line, who they have? Eagles, get what you pay for, well in this case maybe not. Funny how things work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 If the pick is D, and Millner is there, might as well pencil it in. 2 shut down corners make the D line and LB's that much better and effective. When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzz2 Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit. Ok, i'll give you that. But if you have 2 corners that can shut down. That in turn will give the Dline and lb's more time to make the plays we have been lacking....What do they call them, coverage sacks. But again this is all dependent on if they switch to the 3-4 sigh again. I'm all for the trading down, but staying in the 10-16 range and ;maybe a 2nd round pick thrown in as well. Is there anyone that will be willing to trade into that spot and add the 2nd rd. pick? GO After Cliff Avril in FA, I would like him and Sheard on the ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Ok, i'll give you that. But if you have 2 corners that can shut down. That in turn will give the Dline and lb's more time to make the plays we have been lacking....What do they call them, coverage sacks. But again this is all dependent on if they switch to the 3-4 sigh again. I'm all for the trading down, but staying in the 10-16 range and ;maybe a 2nd round pick thrown in as well. Is there anyone that will be willing to trade into that spot and add the 2nd rd. pick? GO After Cliff Avril in FA, I would like him and Sheard on the ends. I think it is a well known fact that it is easier to get by with less talent at DB if you have high pressuring pass rusher than to get coverage sacks with average rusher but great DBs. It doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if you can't get to the QB fast enough, a WR, TE, or RB will get open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I think it is a well known fact that it is easier to get by with less talent at DB if you have high pressuring pass rusher than to get coverage sacks with average rusher but great DBs. It doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if you can't get to the QB fast enough, a WR, TE, or RB will get open. Lets just say that it will be a hard choice for Chud/Lombardi/Banner/Haslam/whoever to make if Dee Milliner is still there along with one or two of the top rated pass rushers like Jones/Werner/Moore etc. That is what these guys are paid to do: make a choice and get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITHIKA Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit. There is no way we switch to just a 3-4 defense! Most defenses in the nfl these days are a hybrid of both anyway. If we switched to just play the 3-4 than we'd have to trade Phil Taylor as he would have no where to play with Rubin already knowing the NT position under Mangini and we're not trading Taylor. Who ever comes in to run the defense will most likely utilize all fronts and the personnel we already have much as how Chud explained it in his presser. Relax! What we do know is that this defense will not be a bend and break Jauron D. We will see lots of blitzing and attacking as Chud stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 There is no way we switch to just a 3-4 defense! Most defenses in the nfl these days are a hybrid of both anyway. If we switched to just play the 3-4 than we'd have to trade Phil Taylor as he would have no where to play with Rubin already knowing the NT position under Mangini and we're not trading Taylor. Who ever comes in to run the defense will most likely utilize all fronts and the personnel we already have much as how Chud explained it in his presser. Relax! What we do know is that this defense will not be a bend and break Jauron D. We will see lots of blitzing and attacking as Chud stated. Honestly I think Taylor has enough athleticism to plat DE in the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITHIKA Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Lets just say that it will be a hard choice for Chud/Lombardi/Banner/Haslam/whoever to make if Dee Milliner is still there along with one or two of the top rated pass rushers like Jones/Werner/Moore etc. That is what these guys are paid to do: make a choice and get it right. I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITHIKA Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Honestly I think Taylor has enough athleticism to plat DE in the 3-4. No he doesnt, he's not nearly fast enough. He is however a prototypical NT in the 3-4 but we already have that in Rubin and we know hes good at it. Winn fits a DE in the 3-4 perfect and he played that positon at Boise. Mark my workds we're gonaa run a hybrid D. its done alot these days, Carolina runs it, Arizona runs it, Bmore runs it, Denver, NE, Jets. thats just the teams i can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys! Right now, I think I personally would be inclined to go the route of Milliner if he were there. Hell, with Chud...you never know, he may want to go offense, and get that big OG out of Alabama. Wouldn't that make Ghoolie happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInNYC Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 No he doesnt, he's not nearly fast enough. He is however a prototypical NT in the 3-4 but we already have that in Rubin and we know hes good at it. Winn fits a DE in the 3-4 perfect and he played that positon at Boise. Mark my workds we're gonaa run a hybrid D. its done alot these days, Carolina runs it, Arizona runs it, Bmore runs it, Denver, NE, Jets. thats just the teams i can think of. I disagree. He is about the same size as Raven's DE Haloti Ngata, they both turn out similar 40 times, and from watching Phil, he is fairly athletic. Just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 3-4 D-linemen don't need to be fast, they need strength and need to be able to plug gaps and eat blockers. IMO Taylor, Rubin, Winn on the 3-4 front would be great; however, we are weak at LB much like when Crennel was here. We would have to make big jumps in FA to get a decent 3-4 base. Plus, if Sheard did not work out at OLB it could be a disaster, and Rucker (who is signed through '15) doesn't fit either. I guess they could pull it off, but it doesn't seem like a smart move if they make the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys! I haven't watched that much Notre Dame football- and maybe it was just a horrible game, but Teo absolutely stunk in the National Championship game. It wasn't just missing tackles that concerned me, it was constantly being out of position on pass plays, and an inability to shed blocks. Frankly, 'Bamas center, Barret Jones who will also go first round destroyed him. Seriously, I was asking myself- "How in the hell did this guy win the Butkus award?" Plus it looks like Teo is an ILB, and that's a lot lower on the Browns priority list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzz2 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Well Schefter is reporting that Chud is targeting Pagano out of SD as the DC. Also said something about running a hybrid D, showing multiple fronts. Don't know much about Pagano, but his D last year was ranked 24th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I believe we'll run whatever defense gives us the best chance to stop the offense on that particular day. Matchup a and down and distance should dictate formation and personnel. That's what I like about Chud, he understands that and isn't a stubborn asshole that sticks to his system because it worked in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasont44094 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Apparently Chud is trying to bring back Derek Anderson. There goes our Rb screens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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