Soju Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Is this something that has to do with schemes, personel, or what? I routinely see other NFL teams create lanes and open up spaces for their running backs but we just can't seem to do this. What's the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepdog Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I didn't watch the whole game, as I'm only concerned with the starters and 2nd stringers, but I felt that the RBs performed pretty well. We did go up against one of the better D-lines in the league and Richardson ran 6 times for 33 yards while Lewis ran 5 times for 33 yards before breaking his leg. You can practice a new scheme all day long but you won't be able to actually implement it until you play against someone else besides your own defense. I do expect a lot more from the Browns O-line and RBs next week against the Colts which have a significantly weaker D-line compared to the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Is this something that has to do with schemes, personel, or what? I routinely see other NFL teams create lanes and open up spaces for their running backs but we just can't seem to do this. What's the deal? i agree, when it comes to running between the tackles. when they got outside and the line pulled to one side or the other the RBs faired much better. i don't think we've had a legit up the middle runner since hillis. remember the days of mack and byner? the browns lived on running the ball between the tackles. i don't know if it's the scheme or weak guard play. prob the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 It can' be the Oline fault. Remember, Olineman are a dime a dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Defenses are used to the Browns not having a consistent passing attack. So, they have been going all in to stop the run, and the Browns' offense was done. And Detroit's defense is mean business, with both Fairley and Suh playing like they were playing against a hated rival in the superbowl. And they still lost big. I believe I saw Fairly in there after the rest of the starters were out. But, it's only preseason, and both sides of the ball won't show much until later. The injuries are terrible. Weeden was great, and he is the starter. Campbell didn't have much zip, and he had trouble making decisions - it on was his second look to Lewis when he finally threw the ball to him, I think Lewis got hurt on that play. Bad things always happen when parts of the oline is overmatched. I don't know how Greco got completely run over, but that's a tough play - Pinkston got hurt. dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 It takes time to develop a "between the tackles" running game as the game develops. Opposing defenses KNOW we are going to run a couple up the middle early in the game and will be prepared to stop it. TRich did exactly what you need to do by bouncing a couple outside and making nice gains out of nothing. Once he makes a couple nice runs, and you hit a couple nice throws, it softens up the D and you take advantage of power running later in the game. Remember watching Hardesty play well in the 3rd quarter of games last year... In my opinion, going up against such a strong front 4 was a great test and you saw our guys get a push throughout the first 4 drives (even after Pinkston went down). I saw no problem with run blocking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 It takes time to develop a "between the tackles" running game as the game develops. Opposing defenses KNOW we are going to run a couple up the middle early in the game and will be prepared to stop it. TRich did exactly what you need to do by bouncing a couple outside and making nice gains out of nothing. Once he makes a couple nice runs, and you hit a couple nice throws, it softens up the D and you take advantage of power running later in the game. Remember watching Hardesty play well in the 3rd quarter of games last year... In my opinion, going up against such a strong front 4 was a great test and you saw our guys get a push throughout the first 4 drives (even after Pinkston went down). I saw no problem with run blocking... so you subscribe to the passing to set up the running game. I do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 so you subscribe to the passing to set up the running game. I do too. That depends on the defense's game planning. The Lions showed us that they wanted to stop the run and pressure the QB and would give up the intermediate passing game in order to do so. In that case, you take what you're given and it gives you more options. If a D gameplans to stop the passing game, then you have to "run to set up the pass." You got to have balance and take what the D gives you... then adjust Either way, no matter who is running or blocking, you can't expect to line up and run the ball right up the middle and be successful without having some viable threats in the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listercat Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 You can never...ever have enough quality depth at o-line never....really concerned about the line at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Exactly. I have no idea who the next man up is now. Our backup OLine, outside of Gilkey, looked like shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Pinkston could be back for the opener. Lauvao should only miss 2 games. Gilkey did fine when he was in, let's just hope he can stay healthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 well..I dont want to lessen the importance of the running game...but really...how many teams out there are really good "between the tackle rushing teams" when its become a QB driven league...Running the ball is almost becomming an after thought in todays offenses.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 well..I dont want to lessen the importance of the running game...but really...how many teams out there are really good "between the tackle rushing teams" when its become a QB driven league...Running the ball is almost becomming an after thought in todays offenses.. Check the run/pass ratio of the two Super Bowl teams and then get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Check the run/pass ratio of the two Super Bowl teams and then get back to me. Check the run/pass ratio of the two Super Bowl teams and then get back to me. Only the Browns used a top 5 draft pick when they selected Richardson. Weeden is still a unproven commodity. If the Browns are going to win games they're going to need Richardson to run the rock. Although who knows if this regime would have even drafted Richardson if they could go back and draft at that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Check the run/pass ratio of the two Super Bowl teams and then get back to me. I dont need to...its pretty simple Aaron Rodgers Terry Bradshaw Joe Montana Tom Brady Peyton and Eli Manning... Get the picture?..whats Adrian Peterson done but get hurt every year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Only the Browns used a top 5 draft pick when they selected Richardson. Weeden is still a unproven commodity. If the Browns are going to win games they're going to need Richardson to run the rock. Although who knows if this regime would have even drafted Richardson if they could go back and draft at that spot. So whats your point Jr...as if you ever made one here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 I dont need to...its pretty simple Aaron Rodgers Terry Bradshaw Joe Montana Tom Brady Peyton and Eli Manning... Get the picture?..whats Adrian Peterson done but get hurt every year... And yet you still haven't looked up the ratios. I get it. Because once you do, you'll have no argument. You'll just continue to mutter "buh Tom Brady Peyton manning" until someone agrees with you. Keep on being an ignorant asshole, it suits you very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 TCPO, do you have any clue as to how to have a discussion? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Gilkey... let's not get delusional... at best he played like a small college rookie making the leap to the NFL... especially at right guard. Prolly graded out a "C-" on that side where he did mostly face Suh. But seeing as how Suh blew up nearly everyone he played across from in the game, including Pinky and Joe Thomas, it could have been a lot worse. Once he moved to left guard, Gilkey looked much more comfy... even made a nice adjustment pulling on a trap play. Of course that was against second team D. Had to say "Suh blew up nearly everyone" above because of one O-lineman... Alex Mack. Mack played a great game and came very close to "handling" both Suh and Fairly. It mattered not who was a cross from him. There's a rock in the middle of our line. This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Is this something that has to do with schemes, personnel, or what? I've been a little puzzled here as well. "Schemes" seems to be the operative word. Week 1 we looked like a pure zone blocking team; week 2 we looked to take a classic, pull and trap, power approach. It may be Norv and company are trying to see which suits us. It seemed to me like the latter... which sprang a couple nice runs (TR's sweep left and Lewis' off tackle left). Exactly. I have no idea who the next man up is now. Our backup OLine, outside of Gilkey, looked like shit. Not true... Hauptmann played decent and Butler had another good game. Cave and Shaw... not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Oh... and on the TR sweep I mentioned... Little threw a great crackback block... I just wish Thomas (who pulled and led) would have looked inside and seen Suh coming. Might have been a decleater... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 TCPO, do you have any clue as to how to have a discussion? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Gilkey... let's not get delusional... at best he played like a small college rookie making the leap to the NFL... especially at right guard. Prolly graded out a "C-" on that side where he did mostly face Suh. But seeing as how Suh blew up nearly everyone he played across from in the game, including Pinky and Joe Thomas, it could have been a lot worse. Once he moved to left guard, Gilkey looked much more comfy... even made a nice adjustment pulling on a trap play. Of course that was against second team D. Had to say "Suh blew up nearly everyone" above because of one O-lineman... Alex Mack. Mack played a great game and came very close to "handling" both Suh and Fairly. It mattered not who was a cross from him. There's a rock in the middle of our line. I've been a little puzzled here as well. "Schemes" seems to be the operative word. Week 1 we looked like a pure zone blocking team; week 2 we looked to take a classic, pull and trap, power approach. It may be Norv and company are trying to see which suits us. It seemed to me like the latter... which sprang a couple nice runs (TR's sweep left and Lewis' off tackle left). Not true... Hauptmann played decent and Butler had another good game. Cave and Shaw... not so much. After being on this forum for the past couple of years, there's only a few people I give the benefit of the doubt to as far as being able to hold rational conversation. He's not one of them. At this point, I just jump straight to the insults and skip the five-ten posts of facts that he'll callously disregard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 I dont need to...its pretty simple Aaron Rodgers Terry Bradshaw Joe Montana Tom Brady Peyton and Eli Manning... Get the picture?..whats Adrian Peterson done but get hurt every year... Besides carry the Vikings? Oh absolutely nothing. I'm convinced you don't even watch football. My point above was also pretty clear. The Browns either run the football and run it well or lose even more games. You don't invest a top 5 draft pick in a running back to not run the ball effecitvely, so you better hope those running lanes open up. HOWEVER when it all boils down it's the preseason AND my friends the Preseason means jack for what's in store when the regular season begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 so if you run the ball well you win more games? and the preseason means nothing? better write that down so we dont forget! what other knowledge can you share with us dimwits.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 so if you run the ball well you win more games? and the preseason means nothing? better write that down so we dont forget! what other knowledge can you share with us dimwits.. Unfortunately, people here don't understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 After being on this forum for the past couple of years, there's only a few people I give the benefit of the doubt to as far as being able to hold rational conversation. At this point, I just jump straight to the insults and skip the five-ten posts of facts that he'll callously disregard. What? You haven't figured out personal insults just drag down the whole level of conversation, and make you look rather childish in the process? Just don't make a habit out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 What? You haven't figured out personal insults just drag down the whole level of conversation, and make you look rather childish in the process? Just don't make a habit out of it. No, I've figured it out. I've just realized that most people, outside you, Gip, and a few select others only respond to insults. Therefore, if I intend to have any sort of discourse, I must immediately begin the relentless barrage of insults. Also, I've been drunk since January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 What? You haven't figured out personal insults just drag down the whole level of conversation, and make you look rather childish in the process? Just don't make a habit out of it. Well said, horta.... you scumbag... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 No, I've figured it out. I've just realized that most people, outside you, Gip, and a few select others only respond to insults. Therefore, if I intend to have any sort of discourse, I must immediately begin the relentless barrage of insults. Also, I've been drunk since January. that doesn't excuse bad behavior sir. i should know. i've been drunk since 1982 and you don't see me on here acting like an ass. HA!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 Besides carry the Vikings? Oh absolutely nothing. I'm convinced you don't even watch football. My point above was also pretty clear. The Browns either run the football and run it well or lose even more games. You don't invest a top 5 draft pick in a running back to not run the ball effecitvely, so you better hope those running lanes open up. HOWEVER when it all boils down it's the preseason AND my friends the Preseason means jack for what's in store when the regular season begins. I've watched a ton more football than you ever would dream of..long before you were a one night stand in your daddy's pants. go drink some more steeler piss you stupid asshole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 And yet you still haven't looked up the ratios. I get it. Because once you do, you'll have no argument. You'll just continue to mutter "buh Tom Brady Peyton manning" until someone agrees with you. Keep on being an ignorant asshole, it suits you very well. And keep being a drunken baboon..it suits you to a tee,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 I saw Richardson bust 2 up the middle in his two series. I thought it looked fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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