PoeticG Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Otto Graham is the best QB to ever play the game. I'd take a young Otto Graham over any player in the history of the NFL, Jim Brown, A.P. and Tom Brady included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Greatest of all time? Obviously it can greatly be considered a subjective thing. Here is the raw data simply stating who won the most titles: 7 Otto Graham 5 Bart Starr 4 Sid Luckman ---Terry Bradshaw ---Joe Montana 3 John Unitas ---Troy Aikman ---Tom Brady 2 All of the following John Elway Roger Staubach Jim Plunkett Eli Manning Bob Griese Len Dawson Tommy Thompson Bobby Layne Sammy Baugh George Blanda Ed Danowski Arnie Herber Norm Van Brocklin Bob Waterfield Jack Kemp Tobin Rote Ben Roethlisberger Note: No Peyton Manning/Brett Favre/Dan Marino/Warren Moon/Fran Tarkenton/Dan Fouts/Jim Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Others who have won one single championship: Brett Favre Peyton Manning Kurt Warner Joe Flacco Steve Young Joe Theismnn Phil Simms Jeff Hostetler Drew Brees Trent Dilfer Mark Rypien Aaron Rodgers Doug Williams Brad Johnson Jim McMahon Don Heinrich Joe Namath Glen Presnell Irv Comp Paul Christman Ed Danowski Bill Wade Carl Brumbaugh Frank Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 While that is a great way to look at it, and I often use it in arguments (because its the only way to get a Brown into the conversation), I dont think you can use that as a top case maker. As long as they have one they're in consideration. Total w/l is more important to me. QB rating is also more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 While that is a great way to look at it, and I often use it in arguments (because its the only way to get a Brown into the conversation), I dont think you can use that as a top case maker. As long as they have one they're in consideration. Total w/l is more important to me. QB rating is also more important. NO, QB rating is NOT important. If it were then we would have to include in the argument the likes of Jeff Garcia, Daunte Culpepper, Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington, Tony Romo, Philip Rivers in the conversation of best all time as those are all in the Top 15 career. No. Lets leave passer rating out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 It is more important than super bowl wins. W/L record and zero superbowls exclude most of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Total yards and touchdowns are up there also. But thats if longevity is a defining factor. Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor. Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor. Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite. Roman Gabriel comes to mind as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Yea, if longevity is a factor....which carries with it the yards and TDs, then Moon, Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Kerry Collins would have to be in the discussion. So, obviously that alone cannot be a deciding factor. Good QBs...maybe. Played a long time....had lots of yards and TD. Not elite. No Super Bowls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Bledsoes doesnt count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Johnny Manziel is the greatest QB of all time. Large hands, plays bigger than his 5-11 190 size, makes all the throws, escapes the rush like Houdini, exciting public relations machine...he's got it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 No Super Bowls! Both Kerry Collins and Drew Bledsoe did start a SB game. Bledsoe's Pats lost to the Packers, and Collin's Giants lost to the Ravens in 2000. Should appearances count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Cassell winning so many games with the Pats showed they are a very well built offense whoever is the QB. I honestly think he is the most overrated QB in history and certainly isn't anywhere near Manning for me I wonder if Peyton manning would agree and I'd say 100% he would absolutely dispute Tom Brady being called the most over rated qb of all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan4Evr Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Anyone who thinks Tom Brady is the ''greatest QB of all time'' hasn't been watching football very long. I've been following football since the late '50's, and he's not even in my top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Johnny Manziel is the greatest QB of all time. Large hands, plays bigger than his 5-11 190 size, makes all the throws, escapes the rush like Houdini, exciting public relations machine...he's got it all. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Both Kerry Collins and Drew Bledsoe did start a SB game. Bledsoe's Pats lost to the Packers, and Collin's Giants lost to the Ravens in 2000. Should appearances count? Nope. One win needed to qualify. Sorry Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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