RoyceRolls Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 This is for those "there's no QB worth drafting" guys. Schaub is 32 years old, and I believe he still has something left in the tank (he only played two games his first 3 years in the league). He had a bad year last year, but are we supposed to believe that he can't bounce back? Last year Phillip Rivers, who was drafted the same year as Schaub, had a big bounce back year after a few disappointing seasons. A change of scenery could be good for Schaub, especially if reunited with his former OC Kyle Shanahan. In two years under Shanahan Schaub completed 67% of his passes while throwing for over 7800 yards and 44 TDs to 25 Ints. Yes, he was considerably younger then, but like I said, a 32 year old QB with a proven track record certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt. So here is the scenario. The Browns sign Schaub, freeing up the first round to upgrade other positions on the offense and the first round plays out like #4 Watkins, #26 Yankey. Later in the draft the RB position is addressed and the Offense is instantly a contender. Schaub throwing to Gordon (Andre Johnson comparison) Watkins, Cameron, possibly a late round addition like Hazel or Washington, and Benjamin, playing behind a better offensive line (even before the upgrades through the draft) and hopefully getting good production out of a revamped running game. I'm not saying this is what the Browns should do, but I'd certainly be open to this option, as long as the Browns could land him for a reasonable price. I believe this scenario would give the Browns a top ten offense and potentially 3-4 playoff appearances. Not a bad place to start IMO. for those of you who will post "this is a dogshit idea" lets hear why it is, and what would be the better route to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Is he a FA? If not, I don't know if we want to trade anything for him....unless of course Houston would be so inclined to take #3 off our hands, that i'm all for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Yeah, I guess I got ahead of myself, Houston hasn't cut him yet. If Houston does go a different direction at QB they'll have to cut him unless they find a team who is still willing to pay him what he's due (good luck). If the Texans designate Schaub as a post-June 1 cut, the cap charge in 2014 would be $3.5 million. In 2015, $7 million in dead money would apply. The Texans also would avoid paying Schaub $10 million next season by cutting him, along with another $1 million in total per-game roster bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 swap him with weeden, work out the money later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 The Browns sign Schaub, freeing up the first round to upgrade other positions on the offense and the first round plays out like #4 Watkins, #26 Yankey. Later in the draft the RB position is addressed and the Offense is instantly a contender. I like everything except the Schaub part... Seriously, you make a great case on paper, but you must not have seen him play much. He made some decisions that were Wheezy bad.... I shit you not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Please no. He has no more confidence in his ability. You used to be damn good, but he is a shell of himself now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 This has the Jake Delhomme factor all over it ......past his best QB looking for one last payday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 well he does have the down system in his genes. i would think wheez does too. just cut weeden already. i don't know how you are going to showcase the guy between now and the draft. i don't even want him as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ya, it's Delhomme redux. He's shot. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I would take him on the cheap IF he were willing to sit behind Hoyer and a draft pick without being a headcase. Then if he lights it up in the preseason who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 okay, so one bad year erases the pro bowl year he had before it, got it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 okay, so one bad year erases the pro bowl year he had before it, got it... It was an awful, head case year. It was painful to watch him. He fell off a cliff. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 okay, so one bad year erases the pro bowl year he had before it, got it... DA? (Not you Gipper) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Definitely no to Schaub. His year wasn't just a down year it was an abysmal year. He couldn't handle the heat from the Houston fan base imagine the Cleveland one. I'd prefer to find our own guy. The only way I'd be cool with Schaub is if he'd come in as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Houston had HUGE pass protection problems. I believe we'd have a better chance at the playoffs with him next year, than anyone on the roster or anyone we could draft. If we sign him to a deal similar to Campbells Id be all for it. Still draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd. Schaub, Hoyer, Garrapollo/Mettenberger sounds like an interesting competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 There's a lot of examples of guys like Schaub in recent memory, some were Cleveland Browns. McNabb, Culpepper, Delhomme, Kyle Orton, Hasslebeck are all names that come off the top of my head. The point I'm making here is that most QB's just start to break down when they get to Schaub's age. Very few QB's play at an elite Manning type level once they hit their mid 30's. Schaub was good for many years but it's plain to see he's past his prime. He's got a good 2-3 years left as a back-up but that's it. If we brought him to start it'd be another sad year of mediocre QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Not only that but most winning teams aren't desperate to pick up aging quarterback from the scrap yard. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Not only that but most winning teams aren't desperate to pick up aging quarterback from the scrap yard. WSS all winning teams are not named The Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 okay, so one bad year erases the pro bowl year he had before it, got it... Yes, it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Has there been a QB who had a horrible year and bounced back to form to anyones memory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 all winning teams are not named The Browns. Good eye. Actually none of them are. I'm just saying that the difference between the Cleveland Browns being a winning franchise and a losing franchise probably isn't Matt Schaub. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Good eye. Actually none of them are. I'm just saying that the difference between the Cleveland Browns being a winning franchise and a losing franchise probably isn't Matt Schaub. WSS probably not. But I dont think its Hoyer either. If we get 2010-2012 Schaub though....watch out. The chances he reverts to form is better than Hoyer or a rookie leading us to the playoffs imo. If we decide we dont like any of these rookies in the first round, we could bring him in to compete with Hoyer and a developmental rookie. Probably for < 4 mill a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimdawg Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 The only way I'd consider signing Schaub is if we decide not to take a QB with our first 3 picks. A change of scenery may be just the thing he needs to bounce back to pro bowl potential. His ties to Shanny is intriguing also, may be something to watch out for if Houston decides to let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 The only way I'd consider signing Schaub is if we decide not to take a QB with our first 3 picks. A change of scenery may be just the thing he needs to bounce back to pro bowl potential. His ties to Shanny is intriguing also, may be something to watch out for if Houston decides to let him walk. let hoyer and schaub battle it out with campbell knowing he's #3 unless our rookie QB from the 4th round lights it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 probably not. But I dont think its Hoyer either. If we get 2010-2012 Schaub though....watch out. The chances he reverts to form is better than Hoyer or a rookie leading us to the playoffs imo. If we decide we dont like any of these rookies in the first round, we could bring him in to compete with Hoyer and a developmental rookie. Probably for < 4 mill a year. Problem is Schaub was flat out horrible last year. Tour is right- he was Brandon Weeden bad. Cost the Texans several games with pick sixes,and got Kubiak fired. You really want to take a chance he can turn it around? Plus, the Browns future is not 2014. Even if Farmer hits it out of the park in the draft and FA, we won't be playing in the 2015 Super Bowl. It's just never been done- that a team can go from 4-12 to World Champions in one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Problem is Schaub was flat out horrible last year. Tour is right- he was Brandon Weeden bad. Cost the Texans several games with pick sixes,and got Kubiak fired. You really want to take a chance he can turn it around? Plus, the Browns future is not 2014. Even if Farmer hits it out of the park in the draft and FA, we won't be playing in the 2015 Super Bowl. It's just never been done- that a team can go from 4-12 to World Champions in one season. so do you wait on 2015 to draft the franchise guy that farmer likes and throw a third rounder at a QB or do you take a guy (QB) that pettine and farmer really don't want @4? IMHO take clowney if he's there, if not trade down one or two spots to whatever team feels they need one of those guys for their number one next year and go for the guy they truly want in mariota? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Problem is Schaub was flat out horrible last year. Tour is right- he was Brandon Weeden bad. Cost the Texans several games with pick sixes,and got Kubiak fired. You really want to take a chance he can turn it around? Plus, the Browns future is not 2014. Even if Farmer hits it out of the park in the draft and FA, we won't be playing in the 2015 Super Bowl. It's just never been done- that a team can go from 4-12 to World Champions in one season. St. Louis Rams, my friend. 4-12 nobodies to 13-3 Greatest Show on turf. That's us next year, with Hoyer playing the part of Warner ... We just need to find a Marshall Faulk. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 St. Louis Rams, my friend. 4-12 nobodies to 13-3 Greatest Show on turf. That's us next year, with Hoyer playing the part of Warner ... We just need to find a Marshall Faulk. Z That was lighting in a bottle, won't happen again. Unless Shanahan is the 2nd coming, that isn't going to happen for us next year even if we had the next Kurt Warner and those ridiculous receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 That was lighting in a bottle, won't happen again. Unless Shanahan is the 2nd coming, that isn't going to happen for us next year even if we had the next Kurt Warner and those ridiculous receivers. We've got one ridiculous one. Draft Watkins. Grab Tre Mason later one. Hoyer turns out to be better than anyone thought ... lightning in a bottle. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 We've got one ridiculous one. Draft Watkins. Grab Tre Mason later one. Hoyer turns out to be better than anyone thought ... lightning in a bottle. Zombo I'm all out of beer and weed so I don't know if I can catch up to that one. That's alot of suspension of belief for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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