WalterWhite Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 How can the party of so called "equality" have the 3 richest men in the country and 10 of the top 15 wealthiest politicians? The whole point of being "Liberal" is that EVERYONE is equal and everyones needs should be met. BUT WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH, not with their money. You are TOTALLY full of shit if you believe in wealthy equality but refuse to practice it with your own personal fortune. If you believe taxes are the answer, then shouldn't you just GIVE your money to the government? They have the wealthiest people in business, politics, entertainment, and media. IRONIC isn't it? Bill Gates - 76 billion Warren Buffett - 62 billion Larry Ellison - 50 billion Ted Turner - 2.1 billion George Lucas 3.2 billion Steven Speilberg 3.0 billion Oprah Winfrey 2.7 billion Jerry Seinfield 800 million Cher - 600 million Michael Jordan - 500 million Maria Carey - 500 million P. Diddy - 500 million Jay Z - 450 million Jack Nickolson - 400 million Dave Letterman - 400 million Tom Hanks - 350 million Johnny Depp - 350 million Tyler Perry - 350 million Barbra Streisand - 350 million Tom Cruise - 275 million Will Smith - 215 million Bruce Springstein - 200 million Leo Dicaprio - 200 million Robert Dinero - 185 million George Clooney - 150 million Robert Downey Jr. - 120 million Jennifer Anniston - 110 million Al Gore - 300 million Jon Corzine - 300 million Mark Warner - 260 million Jane Harman - 244 million Herb Kohl - 215 million Jared Polis - 200 million Teresa Kerry - 200 million John Kerry - 194 million Jay Rockefeller - 120 million Maria Shriver - 100 million Nancy Pelsoi - 100 million Diane Feinstein - 70 million Victoria Kennedy - 60 million John Edwards - 55 million Frank Lautenberg - 55 million Arianna Huffington - 50 million Ethel Kennedy - 50 million Michael Moore - 50 million Elliot Spitzer - 50 million Ted Kennedy - 49 million Rachel Maddow - 20 million Bill Maher - 23 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 no shit fellas. Tell you what... Everybody keep 10 million bucks and give the rest to the homeless. It would be paradise! WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 How can the party of so called "equality" have the 3 richest men in the country and 10 of the top 15 wealthiest politicians? Because we have a two-party system. Buffett and Gates have contributed great amounts of money to worthy causes. The whole point of being "Liberal" is that EVERYONE is equal and everyones needs should be met. BUT WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH, not with their money. You're equating liberalism with communism. Gates, Buffett, and Ellison - a few of the world's greatest capitalists - are at the top of your list. The fact that they have money doesn't change the fact that they have 1) too much money to keep for themselves and 2) that they want to raise the standards of living across all financial demographics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Vapor As I often repeat the people at the top in communism or socialism or liberalism which I think are three mile markers on the same road, are never subject to the same rules as the workers. Bill Gates Warren Buffett and Barack Obama are the masters and live as they choose, while extolling the virtues of equality for the rest of us. Marx Lenin and Stalin and the rest were by no means paupers. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Bill Gates has given like half of his net worth to charity. Your list also means nothing without a comparison to the number of wealthy conservatives. (And that's assuming this list is 100% accurate, which is probably being generous) Why does being liberal mean you can't have any money? I think you're confusing liberals with the stereotype of a liberal seen all over this board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I think the rub for some people is that many of these very wealthy "liberals" (hate pigeon holed bullshit) are known to complain about how they aren't taxed enough and want others to be taxed at the rate at which they think is equitable. They could just as easily donate to the Federal Government (http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html) the amount of money they feel everyone else should pay to set an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Vapor As I often repeat the people at the top in communism or socialism or liberalism which I think are three mile markers on the same road, are never subject to the same rules as the workers. Bill Gates Warren Buffett and Barack Obama are the masters and live as they choose, while extolling the virtues of equality for the rest of us. Marx Lenin and Stalin and the rest were by no means paupers. WSS I think that "extolling the virtues of equality for the rest of us" is a false equivalent. There's a difference between wanting to make everyone equal and trying to improve the quality of life for those who don't have the money nor influence to change it. They've earned their money (and were assholes to people on the way to getting there) and they are entitled to spend it however they want. They earn respect by not being total assholes to those below them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 It would probably be more efficient to give your money directly to certain charities than to give it to the govt. if your goal is improving someone's quality of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Just think how many Obammy phones and EBT cards he could buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 It would probably be more efficient to give your money directly to certain charities than to give it to the govt. if your goal is improving someone's quality of life But that isn't what some of these guys are suggesting. They are making the argument that raising taxes is the solution to social ills when the government is notoriously inefficient at utilizing the tax money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I don't think anyone would take issue with these sorts if they were making the argument that people should be more charitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 It would probably be more efficient to give your money directly to certain charities than to give it to the govt. if your goal is improving someone's quality of life Or create organizations to do so. Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I think that "extolling the virtues of equality for the rest of us" is a false equivalent. There's a difference between wanting to make everyone equal and trying to improve the quality of life for those who don't have the money nor influence to change it. When warren buffet was crying about his secretarys tax free I don't recall him suggesting he might give her a raise. Do I see him volunteering to pay 15 percent? I don't think so. And it's great that they give money to were the causes. Bravo. I don't think it's a big sacrifice but what the hell. WSS Of course that isn't the mantra. Now the 2014 elections are in sight we are back to screeching about income inequality. They've earned their money (and were assholes to people on the way to getting there) and they are entitled to spend it however they want. They earn respect by not being total assholes to those below them. so are they assholes or not? But the bottom line has nothing to do with charity. The bottom line is class warfare.I don't remember exactly where I read this but I believe it's true. Conservatives tend o give a lot more in the way of charity while liberals want the government to force charity from the rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I remember that study,Steve. It was done by Rice University. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Then there's George Soros, who I don't think was on the list. Do the Gates give to any conservative charities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I must be missing the point where, because they are wealthy, these individuals are "fake" liberals. The OP said these people "refuse to use their own fortune"... but many do give to charity (or create their own foundation). Do you have the link to that study? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Not off hand. Posting from my phone. It could be nonsense but I do remember when it was being kicked around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Attack ads suck all around. I hate seeing them on TV. They are to get the gullibles' votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 so are they assholes or not? But the bottom line has nothing to do with charity. The bottom line is class warfare. I don't remember exactly where I read this but I believe it's true. Conservatives tend o give a lot more in the way of charity while liberals want the government to force charity from the rich. Everyone's an asshole to some degree. To get as rich as they did, I think most of them were probably assholes to someone or another along the way. Now that they have a shit ton of money, are they doing good things with it? As for me, I'm passionate about computers, science, and medicine, and Bill Gates has used his capital to push those fields forward. Doing something like that earns my respect and allows me to look past whatever shitty things he might have done. Conversely, big oil companies, for example, have given billions in charity as well, but I don't have nearly as much respect for them because 1) I can't look past the problems caused by their shortsighted goals 2) they actively stifle the progression of technology due to it being a direct threat to their infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewy Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Why does being liberal mean you can't have any money? It doesn't...but the average libtard on the steet thinks Republicans have all the money, and the democrats are just average folk looking out fo the po people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Not just big oil, but big pharma as well. Ugh, don't get me started on the opiate epidemic. Lost a friend to heroin, and he got started with prescription painkillers. The US is the only country in the world that has this problem, and we legally consume 80% of the world's opiates. Yet why do all these assholes still passively accept a government that fucks them in the ass on a daily basis. Because the vast majority of Americans have 3 meals a day and a roof over their heads. If the masses are content, the talking heads have a long leash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Bullshit dude. I was in Europe last summer and they have centers in Amsterdam, Paris, and Stockholm for recovering heroin addicts. In fact, per capita, Iran uses more heroin than about any other country on earth. Heroin and Drugs are a world wide epidemic. They have been around for all these millennia for no reason. I'm talking about he piece of shit government agency The FDA which outlaws any medicine them and their rich friends can't profit off of. Oh, I don't doubt that heroin gets used more in other countries. The thing I have a problem with is Vicoden, Oxycontin, Percocet. They're MUCH easier to get than heroin, and it only takes 20-30 pills to form a dependence. Also, regarding idiots unwilling to adapt to circumstances, the Ohio Senate just passed a bill that allows Tesla to open up a third store. Electric car maker Tesla Motors could operate three dealerships in Ohio under an amended bill unanimously passed by the state Senate on Tuesday. Passage comes after Ohio auto dealers struck an agreement last week with the California-based Tesla that would allow the company to continue operating its existing stores in Columbus and Cincinnati. Under the deal, Tesla could open one more store, which is planned for Cleveland. It then would be barred from opening others. The measure would prohibit other manufacturers from selling vehicles directly to the public. Ohio had been among states proposing to block Tesla from setting up additional direct-sales galleries on grounds that they undercut traditional auto dealerships. Source: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/04/01/3563824/ohio-senate-to-vote-on-deal-to.html The part I emboldened is what irritates me about this. These car companies are desperately clinging onto their outdated market model to put pressure on a company that could make a killing without this arbitrary rule that auto manufacturers can't sell cars directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 It's about keeping the customer coming back (Pharma, Gas, Oil) Don't leave Apple computers, the NFL, Sony Pictures, Capitol Records, NBC, Kraft Foods, Budweiser and the guy that fixes your car off that list of evil bastards that are in business... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Steve, we aren't forced to be in a position to consume those other products. I go to the doc and he says that he prefer you take which ever pill the big companies are pushing to cure what bothers you. You likely drive to that appointment because walking the Earth like a monk is not feasible. There are no alternatives because the big oil and pill companies pay money to politicians to make sure no alternatives appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Steve, we aren't forced to be in a position to consume those other products. I go to the doc and he says that he prefer you take which ever pill the big companies are pushing to cure what bothers you. You likely drive to that appointment because walking the Earth like a monk is not feasible. There are no alternatives because the big oil and pill companies pay money to politicians to make sure no alternatives appear.actually I think you are confusing convenience with necessity. Hey we need art Music Entertainment to make our lives worth living and they are all controlled by huge corporations. You want to see the doctor? You want the most current medication for whatever ails you? Fine.. But thats worth something.How often do you drive somewhere that is not a necessity? I'd say that humans got along years ago before the parlor tricks that progress has afforded us. Don't blame the people who sell this shit for our own inability to resist. also when get a horse was a catch phrase there were and gasoline stations on every corner. That didn't happen until the ease and convenience of the automobile made that profitable. Maybe these guys at Tesla will create a product that everyone wants and is cost effective. They probably aren't right now so whining about the big oil companies is about all they have. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Steve, we aren't forced to be in a position to consume those other products. I go to the doc and he says that he prefer you take which ever pill the big companies are pushing to cure what bothers you. You likely drive to that appointment because walking the Earth like a monk is not feasible. There are no alternatives because the big oil and pill companies pay money to politicians to make sure no alternatives appear. I hate when I go to the Dr. Office, and you see the guy in the suit or lady in the dress with a big suitcase type bag who goes to the head of the line. She hands out all the freebie drugs and the Dr. gets a kickback from prescribing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I hate when I go to the Dr. Office, and you see the guy in the suit or lady in the dress with a big suitcase type bag who goes to the head of the line. She hands out all the freebie drugs and the Dr. gets a kickback from prescribing them. Growing up my father was a sales rep for Pfizer. It's no different then walking into the auto parts store and there's somebody selling them windshield wiper blades. So what? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Different selling wiper blades to an auto parts store, then prescribing medication. There are different medications for the same illness, some are safer then others. I've been involved in quite a few investigations of seedy sales reps trying to influence doctors into prescribing their medication. This is while working for the VA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Then save your money eat right and exercise regularly. Fuck the doctor don't go. Did you know that there's a guy that invented a carburetor that will get 200 miles per gallon in any car!! Rumor has it he's chained to a chair in the basement of the Exxon headquarters building.... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 actually I think you are confusing convenience with necessity. Hey we need art Music Entertainment to make our lives worth living and they are all controlled by huge corporations. You want to see the doctor? You want the most current medication for whatever ails you? Fine.. But thats worth something. How often do you drive somewhere that is not a necessity? I'd say that humans got along years ago before the parlor tricks that progress has afforded us. Don't blame the people who sell this shit for our own inability to resist. also when get a horse was a catch phrase there were and gasoline stations on every corner. That didn't happen until the ease and convenience of the automobile made that profitable. Maybe these guys at Tesla will create a product that everyone wants and is cost effective. They probably aren't right now so whining about the big oil companies is about all they have. WSS We changed to a society that is more spread out than when we walked or rode a horse everywhere. As for Tesla, they are already dealing with the horse shit that is big oil. New Jersey has already banned the sale of Tesla cars and revoked E-Z pass access to people who commute through the state with Tesla vehicles. They put it under the guise that they don't want car dealerships selling directly to the customer. A big bunch of horse shit. That is crony, socialist horse shit. The market isn't dictating anything. A bureaucrat, paid for by (insert interest), is stacking the deck in favor of their buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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