The Gipper Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Here is your chance to vote for the biggest Epic Failure of a First Round QB pick since the common draft of 1966. Here are the list of candidates with # taken in the draft, career yards and TD, and some other appropriate data. Starting for earliest to most recent: 1966 Rick Norton #2 overall 1815 yds. 7 TDs, 1-10 career record as a starting QB 1967 Steve Spurrier #3 overall 6878 yds. 40 TDs. 13-24-1 1972 John Reaves #14. 3617 yds. 17 TDs. 4-13 W/L record 1972 Jerry Tagge #11. 1583 yds. 3 TDs. 6-6 W/L 1977 Steve Pisarkiewisc #19. 804 yds. 3 TDs. 4 career starts 1979 Jack Thompson #3. 5313 yds. 33 TDs. 4-17 W/L record 1981 Rich Campbell #6. 386 yds. 3 TDs 1982 Art Schlichter #4 1006 yds. 3 TDs. 0-6 W/L 1986 Chuck Long #12 3747 yds. 19 TDs. 4-17 W/L 1987 Kelly Stouffer #6 2333 yds. 7 TDs 5-11 W/L 1990 Andre Ware #7 1112 yds. 5 TDs. 6 career starts 1991 Todd Marinovich #24 1345 yds. 8 TDs 8 career games 1991 Dan McGwire #16 745 yds. 2 TDs. 13 career games 1992 David Klingler #6 3994 yds. 16 TDs 4-10 W/L 1994 Heath Shuler #3 3691 yds. 15 TDs 22 career games 1997 Jim Drukenmiller # 26 239 yds. 1 TD 1 career start 1998 Ryan Leaf #2 3666 yds. 14 TDs 4-17 W/L 1999 Cade McCown #12 3111 yds. 16 TDs 3-12 W/L 1999 Akili Smith #3 2212 yds. 5 TDs. 3-14 record 2006 Matt Leinert #10 4065 yds. 15 TDs 18 starts 2007 Brady Quinn #22 3043 yds. 12 TDs 4-16 W/L 2007 Jamarcus Russell #1 4083 yds. 18 TDs. out of the league in 3 years 2010 Tim Tebow #25 2422 yds. 17 TDs out of league in 3 years. (ordinarily I would not judge this soon...but when the NFL says Sayonara, I guess the fat lady sang) Give like your Top 5 All time Epic Fails. Then we will compute the votes after some period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 schlicter marinovich leaf russell mcgwire some would say leaf would be top but when you know what happened to schlicter and marinovich in their lives after the game..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Random thoughts on this process of elimination: Delete anyone drafted below #20: Tebow, Quinn, Drukenmiller, Marinovich Delete anyone with 5000 yds or 20 TDs: Spurrier, Thompson Include in Top Ten, anyone drafted in first 5 picks: Norton, Schlichter, Shuler, Leaf, Smith,Russell Include any of the others that had less than 2k yards or 10 TDs: McQwire, Ware, Stouffer, Campbell, Pisarkewisz, Tagge Those in bold are my final 12. Now, how to get down from there? If I eliminate anyone not drafted in the Top Ten, I delete Tagge, Pisarkewisz, and McGwire, leaving me with 9. If I now delete anyone with either 3000 or more career yards, or 10 or more career TDs, I delete Russell, Shuler, and Leaf. (I know that Leaf and Russell may be a lot of peoples 1-2...but by my process, I am eliminating them.) Giving me my final Six:, Rick Norton Rich Campell, Art Schlichter,Andre Ware,Kelly Stouffer, Akili Smith How to eliminate one? I guess I will do it the way ESPN and some others do: believe that the planet didn't begin until 1970...so Rick Norton gets tossed....as he was drafted in the "dark ages". All the others were post 1980. So, here is my Final Five most Epically Failed First Round draft pick QBs of all time: 1981 Rich Campbell #6 overall pick. 386 career yards and 3 TDs 1982 Art Schlichter #4 overall pick. 1006 career yards and 3 TDs 1987 Kelly Stouffer #6 overall pick. 2333 yards and 7 TDs 1990 Andre Ware #7 overall pick. 1112 yards. 5 TDs 1999 Akili Smith #3 overall pick. 2212 yards. 5 TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Any reason you didn't post the win loss record of everyone? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Any reason you didn't post the win loss record of everyone? WSS I didn't see it all for everyone, or I thought other factors were more relevent. E.g. I think one guy went like 3-3 in his starts.....but the fact that he only got those 6 starts seemed more telling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Jamarcus Russell hands down. He was supposed to be better the anyone on that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Also why isn't Weeden on that list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Leaf Thompson Ware Smith Russell And a tip of chardonnay or some gay fruity cocktail to Shep on the Quinn/Leinart combo ... there should be a special category for "Busted QBs that were most beloved by the metrosexual population" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuNNerGatSKi Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 schlicter marinovich leaf russell mcgwire some would say leaf would be top but when you know what happened to schlicter and marinovich in their lives after the game..... Especially Marinovich.... Watched a special on him today and I have a lot in common with him as far as the demons I have has to fight.... He seems to be a great guy these days though. Wish the best for him. As someone who lived through the hell that Mari did I feel deeply for the guy. So much potential, wasted..... I mean the guy threw ten touchdown passes in an Arena football game whilst going through withdrawals. I'm just glad I got my life together way way sooner in my journey than he did.... God so many years he wasted.... I'd have to say: Marinovich J. Russel Leaf Akili Smith Schlicter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 yeah i saw the same special. i tell you the father put too much on that kid, but that's neither here nor there. in my wild times in the army and just getting out i did a lot of stoopid shit but never touched that. but there were many times where i ended up places that i should have never been and look back at it now thinking how many times i should/could have been dead. hey, todays a new day and i'm glad to hear you've beat those demons down. let's hope the browns finally have the monkey off their back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Leaf Thompson Ware Smith Russell And a tip of chardonnay or some gay fruity cocktail to Shep on the Quinn/Leinart combo ... there should be a special category for "Busted QBs that were most beloved by the metrosexual population" Gee, you forgot one of Shep's other Man-Crushes, Joey Harrington. (hey Gip JH was drafted #3 overall IIRC) yes. he had a lot of yards, but a 26-50 W-L record, and a 69 QBR. Shep was still in love with him for years (as he was with Leinart). Long after it was painfully obvious they both sucked. I have to nominate Mike Phipps as the biggest Browns bust- considering we traded away a HOFer for him. Amazingly (I would have lost big money on it) Phipps actually had a winning record as a qb- though I don't know how- with 55 TD passes, 108 picks, and a QBR of 52. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 And a tip of pinot grigio or some faggy-ass lt rum umbrella cocktail to Shlep on the Quinn/Leinart combo ... there should be a special category for "Busted QBs that were most beloved by the metrosexual population" as much love as he has for QB's i suspect he's more "metroflexible"...a potential warrior for the browneye...also known in closed circles as "craigslist gay". alright let's stop talking about him since he regularly searches his name here as a keyword...or he'll be poppin by slobbering about yet another of his man-crushes "the currently still relevant alex smith"... didn't he like Clausen pickle too?? or maybe it was Tannehill. actually i think it was both, depending upon the thread. fuck it who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 with the amount of TD's Spurrier Reaves and Thompson had you'd think they would have had better records in their respective eras. i'm assuming there were also rushing TD's scored by their teams not included in that TD count as well? regardless, that's a lot of scoring back then to still lose games...these stats arent telling the whole story obviously. EDIT oh yeah...and my Most Horrible QB vote goes to **drum roll** the epically inept Mr. Dan McGuire. Esquire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Jamarcus Russell hands down. He was supposed to be better the anyone on that list I asked for your top 5. Can you count to 5? I ask for 5 in order to assess the worst 5. So just voting for one does not allow me to give a full assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Also why isn't Weeden on that list? Because the fact is, as bad as he is...he isn't as bad as all these other guys. You just think so because your team picked him very recently. Plus...the fact is, his career is far from over.....he could still do something. These others are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Gee, you forgot one of Shep's other Man-Crushes, Joey Harrington. (hey Gip JH was drafted #3 overall IIRC) yes. he had a lot of yards, but a 26-50 W-L record, and a 69 QBR. Shep was still in love with him for years (as he was with Leinart). Long after it was painfully obvious they both sucked. I have to nominate Mike Phipps as the biggest Browns bust- considering we traded away a HOFer for him. Amazingly (I would have lost big money on it) Phipps actually had a winning record as a qb- though I don't know how- with 55 TD passes, 108 picks, and a QBR of 52. Give me your five Hoorta I am trying to come up with a consensus worst 5....come on guys, grade school: 1,2,3,4,5. (Also, no, as bad as Phipps seemed to us then, he would have been the best QB we would have seen here in 15 years.....gggggg!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 sorry Gip i just voted one as well...i just couldnt decide. if im being honest i was more into bashing Schlep. (5 bux says after today he now includes "shlep" and "schlep" in his egomaniacal keyword searches for himself...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Gee, you forgot one of Shep's other Man-Crushes, Joey Harrington. (hey Gip JH was drafted #3 overall IIRC) yes. he had a lot of yards, but a 26-50 W-L record, and a 69 QBR. Shep was still in love with him for years (as he was with Leinart). Long after it was painfully obvious they both sucked. Are you saying that Shep was Poetic G version 1.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Let's Add one more component to this thread....separate and aside from the vote on worst Epic Fail of the Past: That is: Epic Failure of the Future. Vote for which QB in this coming draft could be the best candidate to join the above list of Epic Failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Gee, you forgot one of Shep's other Man-Crushes, Joey Harrington. (hey Gip JH was drafted #3 overall IIRC) yes. he had a lot of yards, but a 26-50 W-L record, and a 69 QBR. Shep was still in love with him for years (as he was with Leinart). Long after it was painfully obvious they both sucked. Are you saying that Shep was Poetic G version 1.0? Now that you got me to think about it Gip, yes he was (is). Only slobbers over qbs, though. You can bet (if the Browns had the #1 overall) he'd be screaming for the Browns to take a qb, even though Clowney is a once in 10 year talent, and frankly, none of the qbs are. Gee, I forgot about his manly crush on the Clausen Pickle- Alzheimer's must be setting in. He'd be far more tolerable if he'd just admit he's been dead wrong a number of times. Oh, he's over on the other Board with the same schtick (I occasionally visit- there are some great posters that originally started here, and some guys like Jason J don't much care for the occasional low level of discussion we have here.) Shep's current man-love is JF, subject to change. Maybe he'll kill himself if the Browns don't draft a qb @ #4 this year. PS- since you asked for my top 5 worst. Campbell and Druckenmiller- any qb in the first round who can't make 1,000 yards passing was a monumental bust. Art Schlichter, A-kill-me "worm burner" Smith, and so many stinkers to choose from for the 5th. Have to go with Ryan Leaf, with a dishonorable mention to JaFattus Russell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuNNerGatSKi Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Gip I would have to say the biggest fail of this draft at QB is going to be Teddy B.... I just get the sense that though this guy may have been a good college QB, he doesn't have the "it" to succeed in the NFL. He is just so, I don't know, vanilla! I have been wrong many times before but that is my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Gip I would have to say the biggest fail of this draft at QB is going to be Teddy B.... I just get the sense that though this guy may have been a good college QB, he doesn't have the "it" to succeed in the NFL. He is just so, I don't know, vanilla! I have been wrong many times before but that is my two cents. I don't know, like I said, I see a lot of Warren Moon in him. (yes, I am going with the fact they are both black, but beyond that I think there can be a lot of similarities.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Don't know if anyone else wants to vote on this. So far we have a 3 way tie for #1 worst: Russell, Leaf, Schlichter. Akili Smith is right behind those 3, with Marinovich/McQwire/Campbell another step back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 I think Schlister has to be at the top. Just about all the others at least had a moment of glory at some point to make you think their career might be salvageable. Even Ryan Leaf had a couple of good games here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 1. J. Russell - Not because of stats or w-L record, but b/c I watched him play. In the NFL, he didn't even resemble a QB in any way. Worst bust EVER at any position. 2. R. Leaf - Almost drafted over future HOF Peyton Manning. See how that turned out. 3. A. Smith - what a wasted pick at #3. He wasn't even that good in college 4. A. Schlichter - A little before my time, but I know he was supposed to be a good college player 5. A. Ware - a lot of hype about him coming out of college I based mine on where they were drafted... These are all guys drafted in the top 10... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I'm a little amazed that Touchdown TImmy Couch is not on anyone's list. Then again, I give him points for beating the Steelers, especially in his first and second seasons on those dreadful teams. Just out of curiousity, how would any of you stack Tim Couch against this years crop of "star" QBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Bag O' Dicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I'm a little amazed that Touchdown TImmy Couch is not on anyone's list. Then again, I give him points for beating the Steelers, especially in his first and second seasons on those dreadful teams. Just out of curiousity, how would any of you stack Tim Couch against this years crop of "star" QBs? Couch doesn't come close to being the worst pick. He actually had a productive, if short career in terms of yards, TD, Starts, etc. etc. etc. His record of like 22-37 wasn't great...but he also had no team with him...and that record is a damn sight better than a third of the QBs drafted in the first round over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Well, I guess we will close this out. Here is the final tally: #1 Most Epic Failure: Art Schlichter Rounding out the Top 5: Jamarcus Russell Ryan Leaf Akili Smith Andre Ware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 as much love as he has for QB's i suspect he's more "metroflexible"...a potential warrior for the browneye...also known in closed circles as "craigslist gay". alright let's stop talking about him since he regularly searches his name here as a keyword...or he'll be poppin by slobbering about yet another of his man-crushes "the currently still relevant alex smith"... didn't he like Clausen pickle too?? or maybe it was Tannehill. actually i think it was both, depending upon the thread. fuck it who cares. He liked Clausen, and Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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