Louisville Slugger Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I have been watching some tape of this kid and I must say I love this kids potential. He is insanely fast and loves to hit. My big knock on him is he doesn't use his hands to shed blocks well, and he isn't super instinctive. With that said I think he may go a lot sooner than people are mocking him at. With his athletic ability could he sneak into the 10-15 range? I personally wouldn't mind a trade back and picking him up given what Pettine and his staff did with Alonso. I don't see him lasting to 26 so would you guys be mad if we did something like what I stated above? I have watched tape, but a lot of you guys have seen him perform live so I would like to hear your take on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I personally wouldnt move up or down for him. I would take him if he fell into our lap at 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted April 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 With how weak this LB draft is, I don't see him making it out of the top 25. Mosley is rumored to have fallen like a rock, so some team is going to want to grab a LB and he looks like the best in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 How HUGE is our LB need? I would not even reach for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I wouldn't take him before the 2nd round and honestly even there I wouldn't feel too good about it. I think he is a good player for a 4-3 OLB role. I know we run a hybrid system, but we are going to be in the 3-4 most of the time so the pick doesn't make sense. He would have to be a tweener, going between ILB and OLB in the 3-4. He is too small for OLB on everything but passing downs and I honestly don't think he has enough power to play ILB all the time, or at all. He can run sideline to sideline, but if he meets guys head up he drags them down instead of pushing them back. Plus he is a huge injury concern. Never anything big, but a bunch of small stuff. He always seemed to miss, on average, one quarter a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think ILB is the 3rd biggest hole behind QB and CB, so I think it is a huge need personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Thanks HB I usually do a poor job of researching a player's injury and background so that is some good insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 With Dansby and Robertson I think we can what to get UDF to fill our need as a back up backer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 getting a true #2 CB is a much greater need than getting an ILB. we signed dansby to replace DQ and have some depth there. can't say the same for CB. QB CB OG WR LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think ILB is the 3rd biggest hole behind QB and CB, so I think it is a huge need personally. He's not an inside linebacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 He isn't a traditional inside linebacker, but the position is starting get fluid. A few years ago you would never have a guy in the middle that was 230, but that is starting to be the trend. If we are ok with Robertson at the position, than we should be happy to have Shazier to replace him. The thing about CB is there is a handful of good guys at that position, where as inside linebacker is bone dry. We could still pick up fuller, dennard, and even Phillip Gaines (whom is another guy I have really taken a liking to) with the 26 or later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bummie Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Compare Shazie's combine size to Willis from San Fran,then compare his combine stats to Willis's combine stats. He'll become stronger once he's paid to work out full time. I think Pettine could turn him into a top 5 ILB within 2, maybe 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bummie Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 That said I wouldnt trade down for him. Take him at 26 if he's there. If we trade down I'd hope it would be for Gilbert...then grab Yankee or Sua Filo with pick 35 or our extra 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I by no means think he has the same skill set a Willis but I agree that with proper coaching he can be a very good inside linebacker. You can't teach speed or the willingness to hit and he has those 2 in spades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bummie Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yeah I think Willis kills him in the instinct and power category. They both make tackles...but Willis looks like he gets lower. Like you mentioned, im just comparing the guys on paper. Pettine would be the guy to do the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 How HUGE is our LB need? I would not even reach for him. In my opinion a second ILB may be our second highest priority....if you think QB is #1. If you don't think QB is #1, the ILB is our top priority. I personally would be very, very tempted to take Shazier at #26 if he is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 With Dansby and Robertson I think we can what to get UDF to fill our need as a back up backer. Sorry, but no, I think last year Robertson was one of our weakest links on defense. I think he is OK for a backup...but we need an upgrade from him....whomever that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 getting a true #2 CB is a much greater need than getting an ILB. we signed dansby to replace DQ and have some depth there. can't say the same for CB. QB CB OG WR LB I think Skrine does better at his slot than Robertson does at his, so I would put ILB above CB on the pecking order....not that we cannot also use an upgrade at CB. So, if the Browns go CB late 1st early 2d, and don't go ILB, I won't cry about it. Of course, it would depend on the talent available. If at 26, there is a better CB talent there....go for that. But if there is a better ILB talent....go for that. (same with all other positions....if OG Yankey is there at 26 I think he has to seriously be considered). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 With Dansby and Robertson I think we can what to get UDF to fill our need as a back up backer. I think that while those two would be *fine* for this season - Dansby will be very good, robertson will be not great - but we need to plan for the future sooner rather than later. Even if we get two or three solid years of production from Dansby, we're still just postponing the need to fill the hole. Get in an ILB now that can learn from Dansby while splitting time with Robertson, before eventually taking over from first Robertson, then Dansby (at which point we'd need another ILB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 it really depends on the browns plan with their first 2 picks. everyone has us taking watkins @4. but if mack is there we wouldn't pick him? if we pick mack then this discussion is moot, but let's say they pick QB @4 then would you pick CB, LB or WR @26? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 If Mack is there, then I take him in a heartbeat. He's an impact LB you cannot pass on. And an impact LB is something we sorely lack. As for Shazier... I think HB nailed it. A good round 2 prospect as a 4-3 OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bummie Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 it really depends on the browns plan with their first 2 picks. everyone has us taking watkins @4. but if mack is there we wouldn't pick him? if we pick mack then this discussion is moot, but let's say they pick QB @4 then would you pick CB, LB or WR @26? If we go QB at 4, it would be difficult to imagine us not taking a WR at 26 or 35. If Gordon goes down we'll really be hurting and will need a top prospect at that position to take the lead. Staying on that point, I would be surprised if we don't take two WRs by the end of the 4th round, for the injury reason mentioned above. As for what position other than WR, I could see a CB or ILB, I guess it would all depend on who was there. If you're sitting at 26 and have Fuller, Shazier, Mosley and someone like Cooks to choose from (all of those won't be there), it likely just comes down to bpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaygroundLegend Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 To answer the OP.. 26 to the browns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I don't think he makes it past Cincinnati. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 lol... Jesus get over yourself. mmmkay... So Mack's not an impact LB? Or we are already loaded with impact LBs? Or Both? Or Shazier is the shiznik? Or all the above? C'mon, Mr. PFWA, school this poor man... or STFU... Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 I doubt shazier falls out of round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 I doubt shazier falls out of round 1. I would like to see the Browns take him at 26 if they can. Fills an important need: ILB....yes ILB, which is where he played mostly last year at OSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bummie Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 I would like to see the Browns take him at 26 if they can. Fills an important need: ILB....yes ILB, which is where he played mostly last year at OSU.Agreed. He is included in my dream draft (first 7 picks)1a. Watkins 1b. Shazier or Mosley 2b. Fuller or Roby 3a. Yankee 3b. QB 4a. Abbrederis 4b. Simms, White or other RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuNNerGatSKi Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 Agreed. He is included in my dream draft (first 7 picks) 1a. Watkins 1b. Shazier or Mosley 2b. Fuller or Roby 3a. Yankee 3b. QB 4a. Abbrederis 4b. Simms, White or other RB I highly doubt Fuller makes it out of round one, and honestly I would rather take him at 26 instead of Shazier. I thing having as many good corners as poasble will have a much greater impact than two beastly ILB would in the pass happy NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bummie Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 I highly doubt Fuller makes it out of round one, and honestly I would rather take him at 26 instead of Shazier. I thing having as many good corners as poasble will have a much greater impact than two beastly ILB would in the pass happy NFL. I agree. It was a "dream" draft. There's a very good chance every corner and LB I have listed will be gone by 26, as well as Sua Filo (not listed, but preferred). 26 will be an interesting pick. Can't wait for Thursday night to see how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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