LondonBrown Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Confirmed. And an article on him... http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/9276/numbers-say-browns-not-spreading-out-jordan-cameron-too-often BEREA, Ohio -- Jordan Cameron will likely be an attractive long-term option as the Cleveland Browns cement their 2015 plans. A look at the Browns' usage of Cameron on the field, however, suggests that he faces a steep climb to post big numbers entering his first crack at free agency. Cameron, who is questionable for Sunday’s game against Tampa Bay with a concussion, thrived in last season’s pass-often offense with 80 catches for 917 yards and seven touchdowns. This season, not only has he battled an early-season shoulder injury and a concussion, he’s not always being used like his “Pass Catcher” twitter bio suggests. Cameron has 13 catches for 250 yards and a score in six games. If we learned anything from Jimmy Graham's free agency tussle with the Saints, “pass catcher” is code for “I want to be paid like a receiver." According to ESPN stats and info, Cameron has lined up 197 snaps as a traditional tight end this season, compared to 43 snaps in the slot, 18 out wide and 15 in the backfield. His 61 total snaps at receiver (in the slot or on the edge) ranks 32nd among tight ends. For comparison, Carolina’s Greg Olsen was first with 230 snaps at wideout prior to the Panthers' game with New Orleans on Thursday night. Cameron is a focal point of the Browns' passing game. Under first-year Browns coordinator Kyle Shanahan, however, Cleveland has run the ball 225 times compared to 125 passes. That 64.2 percent rushing clip trumps last year’s 47.8 percent. Cameron, the top option while Josh Gordon is suspended, has less than 30 targets as we head toward the season's midpoint, meaning his numbers will be down save a late-season explosion. Cameron has hired CAA to handle his free agency. CAA knows tight ends. It negotiated Graham’s and Jason Witten’s deals in the last three years. No doubt part of the conversation with the Browns will stress Cameron’s worth beyond his 2014 stat line, which is fairly obvious when watching the team. He’s crucial to what they do, especially in play-action. Perhaps those conversations won’t matter if the Browns decide to use a franchise tag on Cameron, which could cost around $8 million in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Won't really hurt us, Cameron has been worthless. Can't block, can't catch (body catching and dropping many), doesn't go up for jump balls, etc. Idk what happened to him but hopefully he shapes up when he comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 The Bucs have not covered a TE yet this yr. A large reason Barron was moved.. It won't matter who's in there, they should enjoy a good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Agree... Given it's a contract year, I doubt any of us could be more disappointed than Cam is. More than catching... acceleration, speed and agility have all been lackluster this year. Watching Graham last nite brought this into even sharper focus for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 he still draws attention even if he's having an off year. Definitely hurts us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 and 3 catches for 102 yds and 1 TD against Pgh. If I remember correctly it was that long TD to him that sparked our route of Pgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonShorts Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hard to catch passes when your QB can't put it within 5 yards of you without getting you killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hard to catch passes when your QB can't put it within 5 yards of you without getting you killed. Cameron dropped one against Oakland that hit him the bellybutton. Might wanna watch Browns games before you post on a browns forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonShorts Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Cameron dropped one against Oakland that hit him the bellybutton. Might wanna watch Browns games before you post on a browns forum Yes he did. Thats also the only drop Cameron has had all year. Jordan Camerons catch rate is 42% this year. Meaning he's only caught 42% of all his targets, yet only has 1 drop this entire year. Do the math. That is a lot of inaccurate balls thrown his way. Theres only 1 player in the entire NFL who has at least 25 targets this year who has had more inaccurate throws his way. Thats 58% of the passes thrown to Jordan Cameron are incomplete, and he's only dropped 1 pass the entire year. What that means for the lower IQ'd of you is that 58% of the time Brian Hoyer has tried to throw a pass to Jordan Cameron the ball was thrown so poorly it was not catchable. Second worse in accurate passes to him in the entire NFL. Our Pro Bowl Tight End can not catch passes because he is getting the second most inaccurate passes thrown to him in the NFL. Tell me, is Jordan Cameron out this week because of an accurate ball thrown to him or is he out because he made a hero catch of a poorly thrown ball across the middle directly into a safety? Stats don't lie. Might want to watch the games and understand them before posting on a browns forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Yes he did. Thats also the only drop Cameron has had all year. Jordan Camerons catch rate is 42% this year. Meaning he's only caught 42% of all his targets, yet only has 1 drop this entire year. Do the math. That is a lot of inaccurate balls thrown his way. Theres only 1 player in the entire NFL who has at least 25 targets this year who has had more inaccurate throws his way. Thats 58% of the passes thrown to Jordan Cameron are incomplete, and he's only dropped 1 pass the entire year. What that means for the lower IQ'd of you is that 58% of the time Brian Hoyer has tried to throw a pass to Jordan Cameron the ball was thrown so poorly it was not catchable. Second worse in accurate passes to him in the entire NFL. Our Pro Bowl Tight End can not catch passes because he is getting the second most inaccurate passes thrown to him in the NFL. Tell me, is Jordan Cameron out this week because of an accurate ball thrown to him or is he out because he made a hero catch of a poorly thrown ball across the middle directly into a safety? Stats don't lie. Might want to watch the games and understand them before posting on a browns forum. So you can comfortably say that every pass that was incomplete was an inaccurate throw? Not due to Cameron running a bad route, not getting separation, etc? Stats can easily be misleading, the comment 'stats don't lie' is the biggest bullshit statement thrown around the sports world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Stats can easily be misleading, the comment 'stats don't lie' is the biggest bullshit statement thrown around the sports world. Yep, Way too many variables to make irresponsible statements like Stocktons. You'd have to plot each pass to know. But you can assume that the non catches include a mix of bad passes, defended passes, blocked/tipped passes, throw aways, hard to reach balls(see below), etc etc etc Plus Cameron is often used to "go get passes", meaning we often throw high and away hoping he'll go get it. And sometimes thats the ONLY place to throw if he's covered. And if he misses those balls, it's not a drop and it's not a bad pass. It's just a play that didn't work cause he wasnt open(but was targeted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonShorts Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 So you can comfortably say that every pass that was incomplete was an inaccurate throw? Not due to Cameron running a bad route, not getting separation, etc? Stats can easily be misleading, the comment 'stats don't lie' is the biggest bullshit statement thrown around the sports world. Well Cameron was at 68% a year ago and what you're saying is that somehow Cameron having the lowest catch rate of any Tight End in the NFL is somehow his fault and not the fault of the QB who is second to last in the NFL in completion % and for his career, since college, has been wildly inaccurate. Thats what you're saying? That Cameron ran to the wrong place and Hoyer threw it where he was supposed to be and that Cameron didn't get open but Hoyer tried to throw it in there anyway. Thats what has happened and not Hoyer, the second lowest completion % in the entire NFL, not being able to throw an accurate pass to him. To the 2013 AFC Pro Bowl Tight End. Is that what you're trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Well Cameron was at 68% a year ago and what you're saying is that somehow Cameron having the lowest catch rate of any Tight End in the NFL is somehow his fault and not the fault of the QB who is second to last in the NFL in completion % and for his career, since college, has been wildly inaccurate. Thats what you're saying? That Cameron ran to the wrong place and Hoyer threw it where he was supposed to be and that Cameron didn't get open but Hoyer tried to throw it in there anyway. Thats what has happened and not Hoyer, the second lowest completion % in the entire NFL, not being able to throw an accurate pass to him. To the 2013 AFC Pro Bowl Tight End. Is that what you're trying to say? First off, stop throwing around the Cameron being a pro-bowler line. Derek Anderson made the pro bowl in 2008 for Christ sake, it's not impossible to have a fluke year in the NFL. So you believe that Cameron is so infallible that he never ran a bad route, got beat by his man in coverage, or otherwise made an error that made the pass incomplete? that maybe he hears footsteps and doesn't go hard across the middle because of concussion problems? Is that what you're trying to say? I wouldn't argue Hoyer is throwing inaccurately lately. I wouldn't argue that Cameron is being misused. Hell, I even agree on some of the points you made. But to make the statement that every incomplete pass is on a QB is so dumb I literally can't wrap my head around it. But it's clear you are a guy who puts his fingers in his ears and shouts when the facts you put out don't tell the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonShorts Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 First off, stop throwing around the Cameron being a pro-bowler line. Derek Anderson made the pro bowl in 2008 for Christ sake, it's not impossible to have a fluke year in the NFL. So you believe that Cameron is so infallible that he never ran a bad route, got beat by his man in coverage, or otherwise made an error that made the pass incomplete? that maybe he hears footsteps and doesn't go hard across the middle because of concussion problems? Is that what you're trying to say? I wouldn't argue Hoyer is throwing inaccurately lately. I wouldn't argue that Cameron is being misused. Hell, I even agree on some of the points you made. But to make the statement that every incomplete pass is on a QB is so dumb I literally can't wrap my head around it. But it's clear you are a guy who puts his fingers in his ears and shouts when the facts you put out don't tell the whole story. One other player in the entire NFL has had more inaccurate passes thrown to him. That player and Jordan Cameron, their QBs are last and second to last in Completion %. Do you think thats a giant coincidence? Let me repeat my question that wasn't answered from before. Is Jordan Cameron out this week because of an accurate pass or because of a inaccurate pass he had to make a hero catch on, which led him directly into a safety? Which was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 that ball htat cameron got hit on was not a badly thrown ball if I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I knew you'd find an opportunity to come back. What was Cameron's catch rate when hoyer started 2 games last year. Dude just flat out hasn't been good this year. Not using his hands, not jumping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonShorts Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I knew you'd find an opportunity to come back. What was Cameron's catch rate when hoyer started 2 games last year. Dude just flat out hasn't been good this year. Not using his hands, not jumping. 58% last year with Hoyer throwing the ball. 72% with everyone else. So footballs have been on the mark just bouncing off his chest as he keeps his arms down? And jumping is pretty normal thing to do for accurately thrown footballs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonShorts Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Yep, Way too many variables to make irresponsible statements like Stocktons. You'd have to plot each pass to know. But you can assume that the non catches include a mix of bad passes, defended passes, blocked/tipped passes, throw aways, hard to reach balls(see below), etc etc etc Plus Cameron is often used to "go get passes", meaning we often throw high and away hoping he'll go get it. And sometimes thats the ONLY place to throw if he's covered. And if he misses those balls, it's not a drop and it's not a bad pass. It's just a play that didn't work cause he wasnt open(but was targeted) Just so you know, passes thrown away and passes knocked down at the line do not count as targets for the receiver. So we're talking about only 42% of passes thrown past the line of scrimmage in the direction of Jordan Cameron have been completed...and Cameron only has 1 drop. You tell me what the problem is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonShorts Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 To cap this off...Miles Austin leads our team in catch rate with 64% (84th in the NFL). Gabriel is 53% and Hawkins is 59% and Benjamin 47%. As a WR/TE unit it is last in the NFL in catch rate.As a team the Browns have only 6 dropped passes in the NFL. Tied for 4th best in the NFL.Everybody must have the same problem...you know...not jumping enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 So you're a Hoyer fan then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 So you're a Hoyer fan then? talked himself into that one didn't he? lols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 I'd say he's a fan of Jordan Cameron. I'm with Stockton on this one. Cameron had so many catches that even he wasn't able to get to. The guy can flat out JUMP off the screen and he's a basketball player, meaning he has some good hands. I think I recall Hoyer himself saying that he should have given Cameron a more catchable ball(wide open in the endzone). I don't care what any of you think, Jordan Cameron is a tank and a fucking bad ass TE. Hoyer is a baller, sometimes it takes a while to get on the same page. I could be nerves or chemistry, but sooner or later they will sync, and it's going to be fucking beautiful... Probably about the time Gordon returns and we have found a fucking wonderful supporting cast of WRs! Clearly they are the surprise of the team. Hawkins is magic out there, always wide open. Austin has found the fountain of youth that Dansby spoke of. Gabriel is a rookie and is already playing better than Robo, who was a second rounder. Even TB has looked a lot smoother in his routes. Look out when Gorgon returns, it's going to be like when the Colts had Peyton and the bunch years ago. Always somebody open, always somebody making a play. We sign Cam long term, nothing crazy but something deserved and incentive based. Keep him hungry for more. He's a star. Respect Jordan. This team is fucking amazing. After years and years of, "oh my, not again". I don't have to try N pump myself up for this team. They do it for me. They are special. Remember also, what we have here, being as good as it's been, is only going to improve and get better and better through the years. This is a very YOUNG and Hungry bunch, that given the time to build and gel and grow together- will thrive and blossom into the kind of team we are all longing for. Sit back a smile and revel in that for a moment. This is only the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 So you're a Hoyer fan then? I'm think it's more that he's pointing out the upside Brian has... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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