Opal312 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Crow hits a hole with no dance moves.I don't think this new line can open one that quick. Our best back tandem is Crow and West,would love to see it if pettine stops luvin the player and start luvin the talent. You said a mouth full. With West and Crowell the one-two punch would wear a defense down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Here's hoping Crowell has a good game and our running game comes back. I like all three and would use them. When you don't have a mobile quarterback you need the backs. Go Browns!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Won't matter how fresh his legs are if the line can't run block. It apparently matters, he is ripping off chunk yardage. If he can protect the ball he is by far the best back we have period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 It apparently matters, he is ripping off chunk yardage. If he can protect the ball he is by far the best back we have period. If... The line created creases, if not holes. All the backs performed well. None stood out on the stat sheet, but Crow is undeniably the flashiest runner, but the least complete. He's also still the #3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Ben Tate looked slow in comparison to the Baby Backs. Crowell needs to develope ball security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Ben Tate looked slow in comparison to the Baby Backs. On some plays... yes... but much has to do on whether there's somewhere to run. Case in point look at Tate's run near the goal line. Hit the middle hard and fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Our RB's are gonna be an issue next year. I don't see us able to keep all 3, which sucks...cause I have no idea who is the low man among them. It literally changes every week. All the guys looked pretty good last night, but then again our line utterly fisted the Bengals. West did look good though, 2nd straight game for him...maybe he's separating I dunno. Crowell looks wild to me, runs like he's gonna fall down at any minute. On some runs it's awesome, on others I think it fucks up his timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Our RB's are gonna be an issue next year. I don't see us able to keep all 3... Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Our RB's are gonna be an issue next year. I don't see us able to keep all 3, which sucks...cause I have no idea who is the low man among them. It literally changes every week. All the guys looked pretty good last night, but then again our line utterly fisted the Bengals. West did look good though, 2nd straight game for him...maybe he's separating I dunno. Crowell looks wild to me, runs like he's gonna fall down at any minute. On some runs it's awesome, on others I think it fucks up his timing. Crowell is a UDFA, West a 3rd round pick....both will be under contract. The only "difficulty" could be Ben Tate because...perhaps....he will be a FA again. I am not sure of his contract status.....1 year deal only? I don't see it being a big issue. If Tate is not here, then the Browns go with West/Crowell. If he is here, there is no issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 They are all under contract next year(Tate signed for 2 yrs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 They are all under contract next year(Tate signed for 2 yrs). Yup... thru 2015... and Crow thru 2016 and West thru 2017. Only issue I see is we do not have a "home run" threat on our roster. Plenty of quicks, but no burner that looks capable of taking it to the house. Similarly none appear to be true, "beast mode" types... with Crow coming the closest. All are kinda the same with differences in their make-up, but the differences are not so great that you could not throw a blanket over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Where is Crowell? In the end zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Yup... thru 2015... and Crow thru 2016 and West thru 2017. Only issue I see is we do not have a "home run" threat on our roster. Plenty of quicks, but no burner that looks capable of taking it to the house. Similarly none appear to be true, "beast mode" types... with Crow coming the closest. All are kinda the same with differences in their make-up, but the differences are not so great that you could not throw a blanket over them. And I think we need 3 backs and will probably keep them another year. Gotta have 2 ready each game and the injury to Tate shows how quick they can go down. BUT, if Winston is as good as some think, then maybe one becomes expendable and can be trade bait at draft time. The only one I see as being valuable(trade wise) is West, who I think could get a 2nd rounder. Dont think Tate(and his 1 yr contract) or Crowell would pull anything close to that though. Personally, West looks like the best one right now. Would hate to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I'm glad we got all 3, really. Heading into the second half of the season, and dare l say playoffs, it'll be great to have 3 solid rushers with plenty of tread left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 And I think we need 3 backs and will probably keep them another year. Gotta have 2 ready each game and the injury to Tate shows how quick they can go down. BUT, if Winston is as good as some think, then maybe one becomes expendable and can be trade bait at draft time. The only one I see as being valuable(trade wise) is West, who I think could get a 2nd rounder. Dont think Tate(and his 1 yr contract) or Crowell would pull anything close to that though. Personally, West looks like the best one right now. Would hate to see him go. Agree completely... would only add to your analytical mix 2015 prospects TBD... Lotta good tape on our two rooks increases the chance of some team out there sees a member of our "committee" as a potential, feature back for them. It could get interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Yup... thru 2015... and Crow thru 2016 and West thru 2017. Only issue I see is we do not have a "home run" threat on our roster. Plenty of quicks, but no burner that looks capable of taking it to the house. Similarly none appear to be true, "beast mode" types... with Crow coming the closest. All are kinda the same with differences in their make-up, but the differences are not so great that you could not throw a blanket over them. I disagree. I think Crow and Tate have enough open field speed to take it the distance after they've cleared contact. Do I consider them "burners"? No. Then again, most of the top backs in the NFL don't have elite track speed either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowburn Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 petine got his head right.....the kid looked fucking awesome last night. you better check your shit for a head on with this beast Browns physically pummeled the homers last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 I disagree. I think Crow and Tate have enough open field speed to take it the distance after they've cleared contact. Do I consider them "burners"? No. Then again, most of the top backs in the NFL don't have elite track speed either. Were we in court I'd object due to "facts not in evidence". West has our longest run at 29 followed by Tate at 25 and Crow at 24. But I'll stipulate that none have yet been in the clear... and the past is no guarantee of future performance Out of Auburn Tate was "a burner" running in the low 4.3's... but the NFL takes a toll. West is a low 4.5er at best... Crow an upper 4.5er. I knew all my hours of "Law & Order" viewing would pay off someday... Just don't see a game breaker in the bunch, but I'd be happy to be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 I believe you won't find the 40 times of AP, Foster, Forte, Lynch, Martin, Lacy, Bell, Morris & Gore to be overly impressive either. The bulk of top 15 running backs in the NFL have 40 times ranging from 4.45-4.6. Notable speed merchants being Jamaal Charles, Reggie Bush, and Shady. "Home run threat" Running backs (in terms of speed) are an extreme rarity. Most NFL teams want a back that can punish between the tackles, be reliable out of the backfield and either run over or by LB's. That certainly isn't Charles, Bush or Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Jim Brown had the talent of all those guys and more in one package. He was both a punisher between the tackles and a home run threat......but then he is the best there ever was so it is unfair to compare others to him. So was Leroy Kelly. But it would be nice to have someone like that. The Child Abuser is the closest we come these days in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Agreed, but sometimes I wonder if Bo Jackson would have been mentioned in the same category, if his career had been a longer one, and he had never been badly injured.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 This isn't a "greatest RB" discussion... not even a greatest Browns RB discussion.. I believe you won't find the 40 times of AP, Foster, Forte, Lynch, Martin, Lacy, Bell, Morris & Gore to be overly impressive either. Not so much for debate points, but out of curiosity I'm going to dig up times for those you mention...but before I do have to say I know a couple are not "burners", but neither are they take it to the house guys, e.g., Foster and Lacy. As a check I'll look at two longest, season leading runs for each. There may be longer 2nd runs in same season as the longest, but that's more digging than I care to do. Combine 40 Time: AP 4.40 -Foster 4.69 -Forte 4.44 -Lynch 4.46 -Martin 4.46 -Lacy 4.64 -Bell 4.56 -Morris 4.63 -Gore 4.55 2 Longest, Season-leading, TD runs as Pro: AP 82/80 Foster 74/46 Forte 68/61 Lynch 77/56 Martin 70/28 Lacy 60/29 Bell 81/43 Morris 45/39 Gore 80/72 Besides being shocked that Bell is a mid-4.5's guy, only Gore's time vs. run length strikes me as being totally out of line, but the number of games he and AP have played eclipse the others on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Agreed, but sometimes I wonder if Bo Jackson would have been mentioned in the same category, if his career had been a longer one, and he had never been badly injured.... I think would have come as close to JB as anyone, had he not rejected the Buccaneers to play baseball and not gotten hurt. He was on the order of OJ Simpson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 This isn't a "greatest RB" discussion... not even a greatest Browns RB discussion.. I can be anything we want it to be. Let's put it this way, none of the three: Tate, West, Crowell, are challenging JB for best Browns RB....at this point. But, I think it is possible that West could work his way into Ernest Byner territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowburn Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 defenses more likely to suffer demoralizing let down after facing Browns steady use of fresh legged Browns rb's . they have finally learned how to finish with a signature 4th quarter curb beatdown. I love crowell. He had two 360 spin moves on one play that were a thing of beauty. Not much of gain but still badass. I'd post vid but too fuckin lazy. look it up your dammy. if you ain't excited about the Browns near feature you need to hang out with the lacrosse homo fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 ... if you ain't excited about the Browns near feature you need to hang out with the lacrosse homo fans Jim Brown is considered by many to be the greatest Lacrosse player ever... thought I'd throw Gip a bone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 This week is Texas...... this might be a good week to start Tate.....let him take a shot at his old team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside5 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I really don't put much stock in 40 times. They all are within a couple tenths of each other. I want a leg churning north south runner who hangs on to the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 This week is Texas...... this might be a good week to start Tate.....let him take a shot at his old team? Probably not... at least not on that basis. Left on good terms as I recall, so not much revenge factor there. Probably will just come down to who practices best this week. I really don't put much stock in 40 times. Most slow guys don't... The context of the whole 40-time thing was our lack of a home run hitter... a back with breakaway speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Probably not... at least not on that basis. Left on good terms as I recall, so not much revenge factor there. Probably will just come down to who practices best this week. Right, he left for a chance to be the #1, a role he's sort of lost that the last 2 games though. Most slow guys don't... The context of the whole 40-time thing was our lack of a home run hitter... a back with breakaway speed. Our rookies are both around 4.5, plenty fast for a back IMO. We do have WRs with breakaway speed which I think is more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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