Clevfan4life Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Yet again a team lets us off the hook by not running in the 2nd half like they did in the 1st. Rainey would have run for 150 had they given him the ball as much as they did in the 1st half. Only reason Tampa was in this game at all was because of the 1st half running. Why? Why is this still going on? You guys keep telling me Dansby is the greatest linebacker the NFL has ever known yet we're getting pounded on the run game after game after game. And it's letting bullshit teams hang with us, which is the infuriating part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Scheme, talent and injuries. I feel this topic has been addressed already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I would never even tell you Dansby is among the best LBs in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 JAX ran for 113 today. That's a fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Yet again a team lets us off the hook by not running in the 2nd half like they did in the 1st. Rainey would have run for 150 had they given him the ball as much as they did in the 1st half. Only reason Tampa was in this game at all was because of the 1st half running. Why? Why is this still going on? You guys keep telling me Dansby is the greatest linebacker the NFL has ever known yet we're getting pounded on the run game after game after game. And it's letting bullshit teams hang with us, which is the infuriating part. It is kind of absurd to assume they "let us off the hook by not running in the 2nd half". All in all I agree our run D needs a lot of improvement but perhaps we made some adjustments at the half that moved them towards the passing game. Honestly our secondary got their lunch eaten by those two big receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 We lack a head hunting MLB. I'm talking an old school son of a bitch that likes to hit. We lack a real DT to anchor the defensive line. A Gnata/Atkins/Hampton type player. We lack defensive ends and OLB's that can shut off the edge. I would spend our first 2 picks on defensive front 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 It is kind of absurd to assume they "let us off the hook by not running in the 2nd half". All in all I agree our run D needs a lot of improvement but perhaps we made some adjustments at the half that moved them towards the passing game. Honestly our secondary got their lunch eaten by those two big receivers. Yea Skrine got fucked up playing someone 8 inches taller. Haden had a hell of a game changing play tipping that ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 We lack a head hunting MLB. I'm talking an old school son of a bitch that likes to hit. We lack a real DT to anchor the defensive line. A Gnata/Atkins/Hampton type player. We lack defensive ends and OLB's that can shut off the edge. I would spend our first 2 picks on defensive front 7. I would have to think our first pick next year is OL at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I would have to think our first pick next year is OL at this point Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Not a chance. Ditto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 With Mack coming back, we def. find a good guard and tackle depth in the 3-5. I'd love to see us get an ILB, DT, WR, or DE. HAVE TO resign Gibson, Sheard, and Skrine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I just did math and calculated they gave up 4.35 per carry. Not sure l'd call that a fail, but hardly flying colors. I would have to do more math to see if that's better or worse than past games this season, but instead of doing that l'll just guess it's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I just did math and calculated they gave up 4.35 per carry. Not sure l'd call that a fail, but hardly flying colors. I would have to do more math to see if that's better or worse than past games this season, but instead of doing that l'll just guess it's better. LOL... math is your friend... So is: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2014.htm Scroll down a bit and you'll see that through 7 games we have averaged 4.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I agree with you on all but the OLB'ers. I see Sheard and Kruger setting the edge fine. All the runs seem to come off center or guard. Nothing much ever goes off the tackles. Thing is, I see Kruger and Sheard setting those edges just fine if not better when they've got their hands in the ground. I really just think we look better as a 4-3 We lack a head hunting MLB. I'm talking an old school son of a bitch that likes to hit. We lack a real DT to anchor the defensive line. A Gnata/Atkins/Hampton type player. We lack defensive ends and OLB's that can shut off the edge. I would spend our first 2 picks on defensive front 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Not a chance. Wasn't just our center that got beat today...that right side gave up the ass yet again. We absolutely have to draft OL in the 1st round next year 'IF" there's a player that warrants going in the 1st round. If there was a Luke Joeckel talent out there we could stick at right tackle and eventually move to left when Jt retires......I'd trade both 1st round picks to move up to get him. If there's not a guy like that, than yeah fine we can look at some other positions. I really want the Browns to draft Bosa or Perryman, but not at the continued expense of the offensive line. This is shit and it has to stop. Right now we're looking at Hoyer getting blown up in the next few weeks and then we're gonna have to watch johnny football run for his life instead of being able to learn the normal downfield progressions of an NFL starter. Getting the starter killed and dealing with backup roulette has been the MO here in Cleveland since they came back. And the shit has to end or we're gonna be jokers again. Every QB deals with pressure in the NFL, but in Cleveland it's yearly and it stunts the growth of any new QB we bring here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 we have two of our best DL hurt.............. both lines right now are affected negatively by key losses. i'm surprised we didn't lose these last 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I really just think we look better as a 4-3 I for one have always liked the 4-3 (I think it's easier to draft for) but Pettine is a 3-4 guy and that won't be changing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 It just doesn't seem to be a priority with the staff. Yet it's the only reason some of these games have even been close. Had we played even mediocre run defense on some of these teams we might have 2 extra wins. Denard ran for almost 100 yds today against Cincy so I feel somewhat better about letting him running all over us. But some of these other guys getting damn near 5 ypc against us is killing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Well I thought his philosophy was you play to your talent. That he wasn't specifically a 34 or 43 guy but played both depending on personnel and/or situation. I don't like one over the other just on principle....I like what works best. It seems our best defense comes when the OLB'ers have their hands in the ground. Why not just make Sheard and Kruger DE's along with Bryant and make Mingo an OLB or the long down edge rusher? Getting him into open space would seem to be the best way to suit him. I dunno...I just don't see any reason to stand up Sheard and Kruger anymore. Why? They drop back into zone like 2-3 times a game. And they need to stop lining up Kruger on the sideline when he does put his hand in the ground. He should be lining up just outside of the tackles outside shoulder. They line him up like he's Von Miller...it makes me numb sometimes cause they're nerfing his rush. He's not a speed rusher so don't line him up like one. I for one have always liked the 4-3 (I think it's easier to draft for) but Pettine is a 3-4 guy and that won't be changing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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