Canton Mike Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 i stopped giving a fuck about what rolling stone thought when i stepped into the 80s. Mik, for me, it may have been the 70s. LOL Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I think Jimmy has been a great owner. Our team has improved a great deal. The Improvements to the stadium have been tremendous Improvements will contiunue this off season. I can't wait to see the improvements. The south side of the stadium activities pre-game are fantastic.....I am going next week to see the ice sculpting... What this guy is talking about, I don't have a clue.......Go Jimmy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_brown Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 You mean Robert Irsay, not Jim. you are so right.....my bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 If Brian Hoyer owned a sports team he would be #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Haslam hasnt been the owner long enough to be on the list. Beyond that and more importantly I think he's done and admirable job especially considering all the person controversy. He shouldn't be on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 The first thing I would do with that list is to remove Jimmy Haslam & replace him with Larry Dolan...what a waste HE is! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 C'mon Jim Irsay got busted with all the oxycontin, shit hammered driving his car. That's gotta at least be as bad as fucking up some rebates at the truck stop... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Someone mentioned Art Modell. Hell, if we're mentioning PAST owners, Ted Stepien is a "slam dunk" for the list. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 If Brian Hoyer owned a sports team he would be #1. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 If Brian Hoyer owned a sports team he would be #1. Is there a new Stockton in town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 If you read the article it explains rationale What a concept! Not political beliefs per se, but "questionable" bizness practices. Then the view of those practices, like the WSH team name, tend to fall along partisan lines... Haslam may have overseen a rebate ripoff, but he appears to be a strong organization manager. Strength exhibited by his reorg of the Browns with clearly delineated responsibilities and selection of what appear to be very capable people to run his organization followed by limited interference. Witness word that while he wanted to be informed of the Hoyer/ Manziel decision, he did not participate in it. Remember that our Jimmy's "false start" with Banner, Heckert and Chud was forced upon him by the league. Snyder on the other hand has been "hands on" from the start of his disastrous ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I think Jimmy has been a great owner. Our team has improved a great deal. The Improvements to the stadium have been tremendous Improvements will contiunue this off season. I can't wait to see the improvements. The south side of the stadium activities pre-game are fantastic.....I am going next week to see the ice sculpting... What this guy is talking about, I don't have a clue.......Go Jimmy! Well, as noted, it has more to do with outside business practices than his management of the team. I guess if you are being investigated by the FBI and IRS and potentially subject to indictment you get on this list. Plus, clearly RS hates fracking and anyone involved in fracking....or supplying frackers is on their shit list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Haslam hasnt been the owner long enough to be on the list. Beyond that and more importantly I think he's done and admirable job especially considering all the person controversy. He shouldn't be on that list. It is because of that personal/outside business controversy that he is on the list apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Well, as noted, it has more to do with outside business practices than his management of the team. I guess if you are being investigated by the FBI and IRS and potentially subject to indictment you get on this list. Plus, clearly RS hates fracking and anyone involved in fracking....or supplying frackers is on their shit list. I can agree to a degree, but to me that has nothing to do with being a owner, at least in a sports sense. Now, that said, I am quite sure you know that it doesn't matter what some people think, in a legal sense, that doesn't matter. All that matters is what you can prove. Jimmy says he didn't know. I take him at his word until others can prove otherwise. For me at least, what other position is there to take? I am damn glad the guy owns my team. We have seen this whole Factory of Sadness crap go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I can agree to a degree, but to me that has nothing to do with being a owner, at least in a sports sense. I agree, of course. What I would like to see is who are the worst owners from a pure sports sense. Who have mismanaged their franchise the worst....or done things to screw the fans. (like moving their team) A few of those guys could likely still be on that list: Dolan owner of the Knicks. The Bennetts in OKC. Maybe Jerry. Maybe even Snyder....he likely would be on that list Now, that said, I am quite sure you know that it doesn't matter what some people think, in a legal sense, that doesn't matter. All that matters is what you can prove. Jimmy says he didn't know. I take him at his word until others can prove otherwise. For me at least, what other position is there to take? I am damn glad the guy owns my team. We have seen this whole Factory of Sadness crap go away. If the Feds are cool with Jimmy, then so am I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Bottom line is this, as far as I am concerned: There are 122 franchises in the 4 major sports. (123 if you still consider the Sonics a continuing franchise...just inactive). I suggest that you could count on one hand those that have not had their snout out wanting to sup from the public trough for money to pay for their place of business. Can we name any that have not done that? I believe Jerry World may have been built entirely privately....or at least with more private money than most other stadia/arenas. Of course, the Packers are owned by the city....so that is a special case. (is that the case with any other team? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 My opinion is if people think a pro sports team shouldn't reveive public support, maybe they should move to a city that doesn't have a pro sports team. Here in Chattanooga we have a AA baseball team. Just signed a contract with the Twins. Had been with the Dodgers for 3-4 years. The point is the city owns the stadium and they know how important a AA baseball team is to the city. The team provides jobs and tax revenue. It's ignorant for people to think teams should pay for it all when there are multiple choices for team to go, One would think Clevelanders. if anyone, would get it once the Browns moved. Model got a better deal. The city of Baltimore did what the city of Cleveland could/should have done. Juist saying......if you have a team, be it NFL or AA Baseball, you need to keep it if you want to keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 like any type of relationship. don't take anything for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Still, sports teams get deals for their facilities that most other businesses don't get. Now, mind you other types of businesses DO get support from city/county/state governments. I sit on the local economic development board and it is our function to make arrangements to bring business to town. A lot of times we and the city will bend over backward to bring in jobs.....but probably nothing like what a sports team gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 My opinion is if people think a pro sports team shouldn't reveive public support, maybe they should move to a city that doesn't have a pro sports team. Here in Chattanooga we have a AA baseball team. Just signed a contract with the Twins. Had been with the Dodgers for 3-4 years. The point is the city owns the stadium and they know how important a AA baseball team is to the city. The team provides jobs and tax revenue. It's ignorant for people to think teams should pay for it all when there are multiple choices for team to go, But government can't create jobs... didn't you get the memo? It all depends upon the balance sheet. If stadium operations produce a better return on the depreciated capital employed to build the stadium than other investments, then sure. If not, then no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 like any type of relationship. don't take anything for granted. But she said her and Donkey Kong were just friends....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 But government can't create jobs... didn't you get the memo? It all depends upon the balance sheet. If stadium operations produce a better return on the depreciated capital employed to build the stadium than other investments, then sure. If not, then no. I agree, jobs aren't created at the government level. What they can do is keep private industry jobs. As long as there are legit cities willing to lure teams to their area, teams that have them and want to keep them need to meet the demand. Like I said earlier, one would think that fans of the Browns would get that. NFL teams generate millions of dollars of impact for their city. It makes sense for the city to grant some cuts, be it tax breaks, discounts on stadium rent, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Sorry, peen, I forgot to use sarcasm pink for my memo comment.. As for stadium economics... better bring in a lot of "millions". Any new NFL stadium will be over $500 million, but we'll assume that figure. Take a 20-year life and a 3% interest rate and the loan cost alone is over $33 million per year. Maintenance is not free, but may be relatively cheap at first... say 1% of the build price or $5 mil. But it will ramp up exponentially with age. We can worry about that later. Then there are also other costs like Insurance, Utilities, Taxes... If we get 10% of a ticket price in "taxes" averaging $150 for 65,000 capacity for 10 games a year, that's $9.75 mill. After our first year Maint cost plus "other" expenses maybe we net $4 mil? Only $29 mil to go and we break even... year 1. http://dontmesswithtaxes.typepad.com/dont_mess_with_taxes/2014/05/cleveland-voters-approve-20-year-sin-tax-to-benefit-pro-sports.html The Browns agreed last fall to finance a $120 million renovation of FirstEnergy Stadium that is expected to be completed in two years. Cleveland agreed to pay the team $2 million interest free over the next 15 years to cover their capital repair obligations under the terms of the lease that runs through 2029. Indians officials estimate they'll need around $60-to-70 million in taxpayer help to cover capital repairs that their field will need between now and 2023. The Cavaliers say their arena needs an estimated $55-to-65 million in capital repairs and replacements through 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml1138 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I suppose I could've read the rolling stones standards for making it on this list. Again just their standards because things like being in the fracking biz does not make an owner bad from an objective view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 But government can't create jobs... didn't you get the memo? Most if not all businesses don't believe that for a moment. As noted, I sit on the local economic development board. There is hardly a business out there (of any size) that does not want some concession from government when it comes to location or expansion. Without those "concessions" they threaten to go somewhere else that will give them. So, these "job creators" undoubtedly believe in the involvement of government to bring/keep jobs in a town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I agree, jobs aren't created at the government level. What they can do is keep private industry jobs. Government jobs are created at the government level. How many jobs are dependent on government or quasi-government in say, Columbus Ohio? Thousands upon thousands upon thousands. (and compare that number say to the numbers of jobs in that arena that existed in like 1960. As long as there are legit cities willing to lure teams to their area, teams that have them and want to keep them need to meet the demand. Like I said earlier, one would think that fans of the Browns would get that. NFL teams generate millions of dollars of impact for their city. It makes sense for the city to grant some cuts, be it tax breaks, discounts on stadium rent, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I suppose I could've read the rolling stones standards for making it on this list. Again just their standards because things like being in the fracking biz does not make an owner bad from an objective view. I think their standards were non-objective. If they didn't like what someone was doing, they said so. I doubt they laid down criteria or guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdawg2010 Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Haslam hasnt been the owner long enough to be on the list. Beyond that and more importantly I think he's done and admirable job especially considering all the person controversy. He shouldn't be on that list. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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