Guest Aloysius Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Jets release David Bowens and Brad Kassell A couple more salary dumps as the Jets get ready for the start of free agency next Friday. No real susprises here, although Bowens did have his moments in spots during his run with the Jets. Kassell spent last season on injured reserve with a knee problem. Bowens played in 32 games with seven starts in two seasons with the Jets and recorded 44 tackles (17 solo), 6.5 sacks, one interception, five passes defensed, two forced fumbles and one fumble recovery. In 2008, he played in 16 games with five starts at inside linebacker and recorded 31 tackles (14 solo), four sacks, one interception, two passes defensed, two forced fumbles and one fumble recovery. He originally signed with the Jets as an unrestricted free agent in 2007 after spending seven seasons with the Dolphins. Bowens played well in relief of David Harris when the young ILB got hurt last year. For the season, Bowens made 40 tackles and notched 4 sacks. Mangini is said to have liked the pressure Bowens got when he blitzed from the inside. He'd be a cheap, very smart signing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Sounds like Bowen & Mangini have a good relationship: Teammates tease Bowens about his bowling obsession. In fact, when he arrived at Coach Eric Mangini’s charity bowling tournament last spring, he scored a 122. Mangini compared it to golfers with the best equipment who still “shoot as bad as I do.” “He didn’t actually perform when he had the chance in bowling,” Mangini said. But the good-natured ribbing from his coach has not dented Bowens’s confidence. “If you beat me,” he said at Jersey Lanes, “I’ll let you have my truck.” And this is a good sign: Bowens, an ex-Dolphin, brings experience and smarts. "I think his strength, or a really significant strength, is his intelligence,'' said coach Eric Mangini of Bowens. "He understands everything that's going on. He's very savvy.'' Bowens was also a special teams captain in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCRAM JET Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Bowens value might be in his knowledge and the ability to play both ILB and OLB. While he did ok filling in for Harris for a good amount of games, the Jets already weak pass coverage was exposed even further when Bowens was in there. He may be a wily old veteran but his skills are and have been diminishing. Add to the fact that he suffered a knee injury in the final game of the last season, I'm not sure how effective he will be on the field. He may be worthwhile only at vet minimum. I would say Barton at a comparable pricetag would be a better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 What about Bowens' rush ability? I know that he notched 4 sacks last year, but some articles seemed to suggest that he got a lot of pressure blitzing from the inside. Is that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCRAM JET Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 What about Bowens' rush ability? I know that he notched 4 sacks last year, but some articles seemed to suggest that he got a lot of pressure blitzing from the inside. Is that true? To be honest, I can't remember all of his sacks (only 4...haha) but he rarely, if at all, got a sack by exerting his will or forcing the issue on the defender. Most of his sacks were created either by protection breakdown caused by Jenkins or coverage sacks in those rare instances when the Jets pass coverage actually held up. There was a clear drop-off in inside pressure when Bowens replaced Harris. He was a situation pass rush specialist with the Fins before the Jets signed him, which would indicate that he can pass rush but he wasn't very impressive, at least as a starting ILB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Meanwhile, the Jets lost a respected leader in Bowens, who started five games when Harris was hurt. Bowens recently underwent arthroscopic knee surgery. "My knee was messed up since training camp," he said. "I could've sat down, but I sucked it up for the team. Was it worth it? Yeah, it was. I put the team ahead of me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Looks like we're interested in Bowens. If his knee checks out, he'd be a decent depth signing; he'd add some size and rush ability to our LB core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Looks like we're interested in Bowens. If his knee checks out, he'd be a decent depth signing; he'd add some size and rush ability to our LB core. I absolutely agree, he's a big upgrade over Leon Williams. I mean we have Jackson and Williams. Not only do we need depth, we need tough guys to play special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 He's visiting the Browns tomorrow. Smart move by ManKok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 He's visiting the Browns tomorrow. Smart move by ManKok. This is potentially a good move.. He is definately an upgrade to williams at ilb if his knee is ok and if his price is right mankok will bite.. I like tough team oriented guys and mangini knows what this guy has so its likely a lock.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Before David Harris got hurt, Mangini often used Bowens as a DE on passing downs, similar to what Romeo sometimes did with McGinest. Bowens had some success rushing from that spot, as well as confusing offenses by dropping back on zone blitzes. It's something that Mangini might be interested in doing next year, especially if Robaire Smith doesn't come back with the speed he had before the Achilles injury. And once Harris got hurt, Bowens ended up blitzing a lot from the ILB spot. That partly could have been due to him not being great in coverage, but he also got some pressure from that spot. Though he didn't generate a lot of sacks, he showed a knack for sneaking through the o-line and, when he couldn't find an opening, using his running start to push back o-linemen. He's not the kind of FA that'll transform our defense, but his versatility will bolster our depth with someone who, if called upon, could prove to be something of a playmaker. He'll also be a solid special teams player and a good veteran influence in the locker room. I hope Kokinis signs him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcrow1945 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Before David Harris got hurt, Mangini often used Bowens as a DE on passing downs, similar to what Romeo sometimes did with McGinest. Bowens had some success rushing from that spot, as well as confusing offenses by dropping back on zone blitzes. You beat me to it....I didn't know that, but I wondered if he could actually play DE. He's a monster. I hope we sign him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefellswoop7 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 When I saw him play a few times last year he caught my eye. I would have guessed he was a few years younger by the way he played. Which is a good thing. Man would it be nice to actually confuse a defense or even make them think twice?! I'm all for this signing too. We could prob get him on a cheap two year deal. Solid pickup all around would sure beat breaking the bank of high profile FAs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 You beat me to it....I didn't know that, but I wondered if he could actually play DE. He's a monster. I hope we sign him as well. I believe that's why he's here. He's the type of guys Mangini wants to surround himself with. Here's a guy that definately has limitations but will do anything. Captain of their special teams unit. Plays ILB, OLB and can rush the passer. He's a overachiever that has no quit in him. Mangini say he's one of the smartest defensive players they had. That's the toughness I want to see on this Browns team. Mosley is the same way. High motor and gives you 100% every down he plays. An anti Saun Smith. Neither of these guys are starters, but these are the type of team first situational players we need. You got to hae these type of guys on your team. Bowens is the type of guy I want B. Bell to be practicing next to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 The Browns are expected to extend contract offers to Bowens and C.J. Mosley tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 The Browns are expected to extend contract offers to Bowens and C.J. Mosley tomorrow. IMO, two very good additions. The type of role players we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 According to the OBR, Bowens and Mosley are trying to convince Eric Barton to join them in Cleveland. Though the two haven't signed with us yet, it definitely sounds like they're planning on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 According to the OBR, Bowens and Mosley are trying to convince Eric Barton to join them in Cleveland. Though the two haven't signed with us yet, it definitely sounds like they're planning on it. These are the kind of signings the Brown's need. It allows them to look more at the best players available in the draft instead of reaching for needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 The guys at the OBR have multiple sources telling them that Bowens will have a deal with the Browns by the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 The guys at the OBR have multiple sources telling them that Bowens will have a deal with the Browns by the end of the day. I hope so i think mangini knows what he is doing here bringing in known workhorse reserves to add some depth and stability i know i wasnt going to get optimistic about this season but i cant help it i like what i see so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Bowens looks like a lock. I'm guessing Barton will be next. Those three will create some draft flexibility. That would take the pressure off the Browns to pick for needs/musts and let them go after the best players available in round two. They would be able to look at RB, WR and Center. But they still have a must fill in the SS position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 who would the best SS be available in the second? Chung? William Moore, Patrick Chung, Nic Harris and I like Chip Vaughn who could be ther in the 3rd round. All are physical SS that hit like we wish Jones could of. All need some work in coverage, but the number one thing you look for in a SS is a guy who can provide run support. A guy who could come up and thump someone. The only iffy one to me would be Harris, the others I would take and be very happy. Every player in the draft has some negatives and it is up to the coaches to coach them up. These guys have that "I'm gonna bury you" mentality. Chung reminds me of a Bob Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Nic Harris looked good playing linebacker at the Senior Bowl and ran a 4.84 40 at the Combine; I doubt teams are still looking at him as a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaWg1000 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 whats the word on david bowens? did he sign yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Nic Harris looked good playing linebacker at the Senior Bowl and ran a 4.84 40 at the Combine; I doubt teams are still looking at him as a safety. As i said, he would be the only one of the top rated SSs that I would stay away from. I know you think Moore is a better LB prospect then a SS prospect, but you are pretty much alone on that one. Most love his quickness, speed and size. He has decent coverage skills and at this point as a rookie coming into camp he is a big upgrade over Jones. Hits harder, covers better and is healthier. Also will be about 1/3 of the cost. I also like Chung and think Chip Vaughn will start to climb up a lot of teams boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 If you're going to claim I'm alone on something, you might as well accurately report what I said, which was that scouts at the Senior Bowl were talking about Moore converting to linebacker. Clearly, he's done enough at the Combine and his pro day to convince people he should stick at safety, but that doesn't mean he's going to be an effective cover guy - I still have concerns about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 If you're going to claim I'm alone on something, you might as well accurately report what I said, which was that scouts at the Senior Bowl were talking about Moore converting to linebacker. Clearly, he's done enough at the Combine and his pro day to convince people he should stick at safety, but that doesn't mean he's going to be an effective cover guy - I still have concerns about that. Please reread the comment. It says that "you are pretty much alone on that", meaning just what you said that most at the combine and his pro day say he is a very effective SS and is rated the top SS in the draft. I never heard of anyone saying he would make a better LB except you. I make a honest statement to an opinion you posted and it was not belittling or abusive so don't get all pissy because someone challenged one of your opinions. Sorry, you don't get to corner the market on opinions and I would hope you admit you aren't a sole authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Sole authority? lol. I love debating this stuff with people, but I don't appreciate it when someone claims I said something that I don't think I ever said. Sure, I relayed the news that scouts at the Senior Bowl were talking about him converting to linebacker, but I never said he couldn't play safety. From what I remember, the strongest thing I said was that he wouldn't be playing FS at the next level. If you're able to provide a link to a post in which I say that Moore couldn't play SS, that'd be different. Otherwise, I'm not going to let you tell me I'm out on an island saying something that I never said. As for everyone having him rated as the #1 SS, nfldraftscout has him behind Patrick Chung. Scott Wright has him ranked as the #2 safety behind Louis Delmas. Despite a poor senior season and Senior Bowl, he probably is one of the top 3-4 safeties in this class, which is a testament to how weak the safety class is this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 back to the topic at hand... Barring an 11th-hour change of heart, linebacker David Bowens is expected to sign with the Cleveland Browns in the coming days, according to a person with knowledge of Bowens' thinking. That person spoke on the condition of anonymity because he's not authorized to speak for Bowens. via here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Sole authority? lol. I love debating this stuff with people, but I don't appreciate it when someone claims I said something that I don't think I ever said. Sure, I relayed the news that scouts at the Senior Bowl were talking about him converting to linebacker, but I never said he couldn't play safety. From what I remember, the strongest thing I said was that he wouldn't be playing FS at the next level. If you're able to provide a link to a post in which I say that Moore couldn't play SS, that'd be different. Otherwise, I'm not going to let you tell me I'm out on an island saying something that I never said. As for everyone having him rated as the #1 SS, nfldraftscout has him behind Patrick Chung. Scott Wright has him ranked as the #2 safety behind Louis Delmas. Despite a poor senior season and Senior Bowl, he probably is one of the top 3-4 safeties in this class, which is a testament to how weak the safety class is this year. Don't really care to get into a pissing match but among the posts where you diss him is one in the "New LB Coach" thread March 6th @ 6:19 PM, Post # 16. That's after you reported on another thread that he did well at the combine. Now, that's it on the subject for me, I don't wish to go around and around with some he said, he said BS. Let's move on. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and you have a lot of great post with great information in them. You are a great contributor to the forum. We'll see how our new LB coach feels about him as a SS since he coached him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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