Browns on Hard Knocks

[DieHardBrownsFan]

LOL. Bottom line is live where you want to live. Who cares what someone else thinks. Its you who will have to live there.

[miktoxic]

and some people don't like dust and sand 12 months a year or god forbid when there happens to be inclement weather (like snow) maybe it'd be nice if people knew how to 'drive' to work without causing a 24 car pile up.

 

houston yeah it must be great to drive to work there. watch out for the armadillos and the illegals.

[The Gipper]

That can't be a serious question. Liberals get off to light rail. Conservatives rightly view ownership of the car as one of the most American things you can do. They view light rail as a general massive waste of money. It's pretty simple.

 

"WTF does liberal or conservative have to do with it." Lol

Many, most people do NOT want to put up with traffic and to pay exorbitant parking rates in cities like Boston, NY, Philly, DC, Toronto, Chicago, San Fran, and other places.

You can take your car to work in those towns.....and pay the consequences. It is a lot less hassle..and much less expensive to take the rail. I didn't know that "conservatives" like throwing their money away and being stressed out.

I took the light rail to work/school every day when I lived in Cleveland. It sure was convenient and inexpensive compared to taking the car.

[wargograw]

Well the amount of ignorance in that post discredited any legitimate posts you had to make. Armadillos in the road in Houston. Sure buddy. Now I can't argue with the illegals comment.

 

You guys have blackouts and cancel school when the temp hits 100. So give me a break on driving in snow.

 

But we don't have 8 million people. Not even close. So that's a pretty irrelevant example. Thanks for trying anyway. E for effort.

[The Gipper]

You guys are the exception. No one likes SA. Hell, even Charles Barkley made fun of SA women.

OK, let me qualify.....I have liked visiting SA....better than I like visiting Houston or Dallas or El Paso.

If there is something about living there that sucks so bad, that is not within my experience.

 

 

And my daughter is now an SA woman....so you and Charles Barkley better watch what the fuck you say.

[wargograw]

Many, most people do NOT want to put up with traffic and to pay exorbitant parking rates in cities like Boston, NY, Philly, DC, Toronto, Chicago, San Fran, and other places.

You can take your car to work in those towns.....and pay the consequences. It is a lot less hassle..and much less expensive to take the rail. I didn't know that "conservatives" like throwing their money away and being stressed out.

I took the light rail to work/school every day when I lived in Cleveland. It sure was convenient and inexpensive compared to taking the car.

It's an embarrassment to take the bus down here. Just the way it is. And, like I said, Houston has good traffic flow (so does Dallas) so I doubt it's a move they care to make any time soon.

[The Gipper]

Well the amount of ignorance in that post discredited any legitimate posts you had to make. Armadillos in the road in Houston. Sure buddy. Now I can't argue with the illegals comment.

 

You guys have blackouts and cancel school when the temp hits 100. So give me a break on driving in snow.

 

But we don't have 8 million people. Not even close. So that's a pretty irrelevant example. Thanks for trying anyway. E for effort.

You need to quote which post you are replying to....so that the rest of us can follow along.

 

But from my source, the Houston Metro area has 6.375 million.

[wargograw]

That was to miktoxic.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

That can't be a serious question. Liberals get off to light rail. Conservatives rightly view ownership of the car as one of the most American things you can do. They view light rail as a general massive waste of money. It's pretty simple.

 

"WTF does liberal or conservative have to do with it." Lol

 

And they're also stupid. So that makes sense.

 

 

The point is I'm trying to make is...who cares what YOU think.

More people than care what you think...because I do the travel thing as an avocation.

 

You think Houston is bland and boring and undesirable. Cool, but it doesn't change that a majority of people disagree and that's why Houston is the fastest growing city in America. So it clearly is desirable. I'm sure there's a person out there who believes that East Cowshit County, Alabama is the best place to live in the entire galaxy. Is that a truth for him? Sure. But it doesn't make it true for the population.

Money is what makes Houston "desirable". If you call working in the refineries and living in a mobile home desirable.

That does not put it at the top of many 'best travel destinations" list.

 

Anyone can make a list, you're right. Anyone can do anything. However, the majority of people place more faith in things done or created by experts and professionals than the things done or created by Joe Blow from Kalamazoo.

Well, as I said....I AM an Expert.

 

That's why billions of people watch the NFL yet nobody gives a shit about that pickup football game in the park- it's a matter of professionals over amateurs.

 

If you desire a city that pales in comparison to Houston in basically every livability metric imaginable, then yes...I guess Cleveland is the more desirable city. However, in terms of crime, job rate, housing, culture and essentially every single metric used by market economists, Cleveland doesn't hold a candle to Houston.

I would have to analyze that one.

The last one of those I did analyze said that San Diego was more livable than Cleveland...and it gave some of the same factors you note: crime, unemployment, congestion, cost of living, even success of sports teams. In 11 categories, Cleveland came out better.....the only one San Diego was better than Cleveland? Winter weather......and because of that it gave SD the overall edge. (their conclusions totally ignored their own findings on those things.) So, I don't know about Houston and how it would compare. You would need to show that data....as from experience I have to be skeptical

 

I'm the self-appointed defender of logic. When I see things that are illogical, I argue the counterpoint. Unless, of course, I'm the one posing the illogical statements....like my stupid trades or my overhyping of practice squad players like James Davis, Carlton Mitchell and Charles Johnson.

Well, I don't think I ever said that I applied logic to this Houston thing. I was not really applying living standard metrics. I was simply saying that from my observations and experience Houston had little to attract me as a travel destination. It seemed to have new tall buildings....but nothing that stood out architecturally. I am sure that it has the museums/orchestras/zoos/botanical gardens etc.that all big cities have.

The one thing I did get to was the San Jacinto Battle Monument. Of course, being Texas, they felt compelled to build it a few feet taller than the Washington Monument (575 vs. 555 ft.).

A couple of things I did not get to that I may have liked to see were the NASA Space Center and the Astrodome.

But, overall, it rates low on my list of interesting cities. The likes of San Diego/San Fran/Seattle/Portland/Denver/SA/Boston/Phlly/NYC/Chicago/Miami...and many others (even Charlotte) come out ahead on my list than Houston does.

 

Yes, I live in Charlotte...and that's why I can have an unbiased opinion on this matter. Because neither city compares to Charlotte...who is expected to be the fastest growing city in the world over the next 15 years (according to the United Nations World Urbanization Report).

Things change. They said similar things about Cleveland in 1965. But, sure, Charlotte is OK.

 

 

Sure, if that makes you happy at night...more people care about what you think than what I think. Have a field day with it, buddy.

 

 

I'd love to see some stats backing up your mobile home/refineries claim. Is it because Houston is number one in energy and also in the South? Okay, that's a relatively easy gap to bridge...except you're not factoring in the fact they have the most college graduates, the highest average salary, and the second most Fortune 500 companies (behind NYC). I doubt there are very many college graduates who work for Fortune 500 companies and make, on average, $75k a year that live in mobile homes.

 

 

A self-proclaimed expert doesn't make you an actual expert. Vacationing in cities doesn't make you an expert. Being an economist, studying varying real estate market trends, and livability indices makes you an expert.

 

 

You claim to be "applying living standard metrics" yet you can't refute the claim that Houston overwhelmingly outranks Cleveland in every single livability metric. So, which is it?

 

 

 

Houston isn't interesting to you. It's dull, it's bland. It doesn't compare to any city you've visited. That's all well and good. It's still overwhelmingly favored by the masses and a much more widely loved city than Cleveland.

 

 

Now, I'm done with this...unless you can provide real, quantifiable statistics to refute anything I've said.

[The Gipper]

It's an embarrassment to take the bus down here. Just the way it is. And, like I said, Houston has good traffic flow (so does Dallas) so I doubt it's a move they care to make any time soon.

I went through Houston a while back. It was not rush hour but the laneage was odd and peculiar. It was like, if you drive on the left 2-3 lanes, it was a toll road, but if you were in the right 2-3 lanes it was not. It was just weird and confusing for someone going through there for the first time.

 

But, if the bus were the cheapest easiest option....I don't know why you would be embarassed. Whattsamatta you? You think if you take the bus someone might think you are a liberal....or worse yet, a wetback?

[The Gipper]

That was to miktoxic.

Then use the quote button. Or do you think using the quote button is the cyberspace equivalent of taking the bus?

[The Gipper]

 

 

 

 

Sure, if that makes you happy at night...more people care about what you think than what I think. Have a field day with it, buddy.

You are "the field".

 

 

I'd love to see some stats backing up your mobile home/refineries claim. Is it because Houston is number one in energy and also in the South? Okay,

Oh, its a silly joke....lighten up Francis. (though do you deny that Houston has a lot of refineries and mobile Homes)

 

 

that's a relatively easy gap to bridge...except you're not factoring in the fact they have the most college graduates, the highest average salary, and the second most Fortune 500 companies (behind NYC). I doubt there are very many college graduates who work for Fortune 500 companies and make, on average, $75k a year that live in mobile homes.

So, they are like a Banana Republic....they have wealthy and poor and not much in between?

 

 

A self-proclaimed expert doesn't make you an actual expert. Vacationing in cities doesn't make you an expert. Being an economist, studying varying real estate market trends, and livability indices makes you an expert.

YOU are the one talking apples and oranges on this. My experience makes me an expert.....and I was talking about the desirability of a city to visit.

Maybe Houston has this wonderful economy. That doesn't make it any less boring because people there are making some money.

 

 

You claim to be "applying living standard metrics" yet you can't refute the claim that Houston overwhelmingly outranks Cleveland in every single livability metric. So, which is it?

I didn't claim to apply anything. I didn't attempt to refute anything. You are the one that claimed Houston outranked Cleveland in those metrics.. All I asked is for you to show that data.....and I said the last time I saw data like this respecting San Diego, it was squirrelly.

 

 

 

Houston isn't interesting to you. It's dull, it's bland. It doesn't compare to any city you've visited. That's all well and good.

It is all well and good.....and that is the sum and substance of what I have said all along. (I don't know about any city...)

 

It's still overwhelmingly favored by the masses and a much more widely loved city than Cleveland.

That is an unprovable statement....which is wholly different from "livability metrics". It just has more people.

In terms of a vacation destination...nothing I have seen has said where Houston ranks at the top of any list.

 

 

 

Now, I'm done with this...unless you can provide real, quantifiable statistics to refute anything I've said.

I haven't tried to refute any statement by you...that is provable.

I only perhaps dispute your claim that Houston is more loved.....a statement that is unprovable and unrefuteable.

 

It is all anecdotal, so let's ask this question: Which city do you like better to visit....Cleveland or Houston?

(have you even been to Houston?

[miktoxic]

alright this belongs on some state hate forum.

 

to each his own.

[The Gipper]

Here is this list. No Houston, no Cleveland. US News

http://travel.usnews.com/Rankings/best_usa_vacations/

 

Here is Trip Advisor list. No Houston, no Cleveland (but SA and Austin are on here)

http://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191

 

Lonely

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Okay, heres something. If I were really loaded I would chose to live in Manhattan. Case closed. No city in the USA comes close. But I'm not really loaded so its not relevant.

[wargograw]

I went through Houston a while back. It was not rush hour but the laneage was odd and peculiar. It was like, if you drive on the left 2-3 lanes, it was a toll road, but if you were in the right 2-3 lanes it was not. It was just weird and confusing for someone going through there for the first time.

 

But, if the bus were the cheapest easiest option....I don't know why you would be embarassed. Whattsamatta you? You think if you take the bus someone might think you are a liberal....or worse yet, a wetback?

A poor.

[Westside Steve]

Ok.

After my father remarried when I was 9 years old we moved to Texas. I moved back and forth between the Lone Star State and Carrollton Ohio, where my grandmother lived, until the 9th grade when the family moved the Akron area. I have lived in Dickinson, Deer Park and Hurst Texas. In the traveling days of the Easy Street Band we played in Houston, Dallas, Conroe, Lubbock and El Paso numerous times. My father step mother and sister moved to Dallas for a few years approximately 1974 and I would visit them on a regular basis. I have also vacation in San Antonio, McAllen and Austin.

 

So there.

 

WSS

[miktoxic]

i feel sorry for the people who've never lived outside of where they grew up. how do you experience the 'real' world if you're tied to a hitch your whole life?

 

diehard, a fellow vet (who unlike me served in combat) can prob roll off ten cities (prob more) from around the world where he's been just because of his service duty. and among those 10 have 100 great stories to tell of shit you'd never see in houston or in cleveland (manhattan for that matter).

 

by the time i was 26 i had prob been to more states and countries than most have only thought about. stateside i might have flown to 3 or 4 destinations but really loved the road trips and if i were to choose where i'd love to live it'd be colorado hands down.

 

friggin beautiful.

 

but no matter where it is, i'm still rootin for the browns.

[Zombo]

Not sure why we need an entire thread on why Houston sucks.

 

I thought everybody knew that.

 

Z

[wargograw]

i feel sorry for the people who've never lived outside of where they grew up. how do you experience the 'real' world if you're tied to a hitch your whole life?

 

diehard, a fellow vet (who unlike me served in combat) can prob roll off ten cities (prob more) from around the world where he's been just because of his service duty. and among those 10 have 100 great stories to tell of shit you'd never see in houston or in cleveland (manhattan for that matter).

 

by the time i was 26 i had prob been to more states and countries than most have only thought about. stateside i might have flown to 3 or 4 destinations but really loved the road trips and if i were to choose where i'd love to live it'd be colorado hands down.

 

friggin beautiful.

 

but no matter where it is, i'm still rootin for the browns.

All that experience and yet you think there's armadillos in Houston. It's a shame you couldn't actually put it to use.

[wargograw]

Of course, I'm just talking shit. Thanks for your service.

[miktoxic]

All that experience and yet you think there's armadillos in Houston. It's a shame you couldn't actually put it to use.

 

i think texas, i think armadillos (i know that's not state-wide but who cares, it's a joke anyways).

 

i think ny, i think _ _ _ s.

 

just saying.

[BaconHound]

No thanks don't need the distraction or players that haven't earned anything think they're stars

[miktoxic]

 

i think texas, i think armadillos (i know that's not state-wide but who cares, it's a joke anyways).

 

i think ny, i think _ _ _ s.

 

just saying.

 

rats, everybody. rats.

[JJmac28]

and here all these new posts today I thought were gonna be about the topic LMAO calm down men

[BaconHound]

and here all these new posts today I thought were gonna be about the topic LMAO calm down men

On topic Terrance West's ego scares me a bit and I don't think HBO cameras will help that

[The Gipper]

All that experience and yet you think there's armadillos in Houston. It's a shame you couldn't actually put it to use.

I have seen Armadillos in Mississippi and in Arkansas, but never in Texas.

[Mudfly]

[The Gipper]

I will let a guy from Northeast Ohio (Steubenville) have the last word on this:

[Tour2ma]

And tell me this if you know Tejas so well....I am thinking of taking a Texas road trip in November.....as I will probably be staying in SA for 2-3 days for a football game. From there I am thinking of driving up to Abilene, then to Wichita Falls, then up into OK for a stop, then back over to Lake Meredith, then to Amarillo and Lubbock, down to Odess/Midland/San Angelo before heading back to SA.

What recommendations/suggestions do you have?

lol... you're road tripping the one area of Texas I have not spent time in (and I have no desire to do so)... the panhandle. But in San Antonio I might have a place or two you've not hit visiting your daughter.

 

Do the scenic loop in the hills NW of San Antonio... but watch your speed... especially though Grey Moss. Neat winding road of old homes with some spectacular views of the city.

 

Speaking of Grey Moss... check out the Grey Moss Inn... tad pricey (except for their amazing wine list where the mark ups as fairly reasonable), but fantastic food including "wild game" specials most nights. Foods are grilled using a round, outdoor pit over Mesquite (what else would they use?). Ask about their Zin Din... I've attended three and made a great friend there.

 

For cheap and grubby check out the Tip Top Café in San Anton proper. Best Chicken Fried Steak I've ever had and onion rings to die for...

 

No San Anton trip is complete without at least one meal at La Fogata... huge, open air Mexican restaurant.

 

Some folks also have to have at least one breakfast at the Gunther House, but it's not worth the wait IMO. The better option is to visit it (interesting mini museum) and buy some Pancake and/or Waffle mix... both are awesome.

 

Day trips include:

Wine country concentrated north of the city. Two fav wineries are Becker's (east of Fredericksberg past the wildflower farm) and Texas Hills (Johnson City). I especially love Texas Hills wines, but Becker's is special as it had a B&B on the property in a renovated 1800's cabin. Spent a honeymoon there.

 

November will likely be too late to catch the colors, but if Fall comes late to the area check out a great little Texas park named "Lost Maples". Maple tress are likely common where you live, but they have no business growing in central Texas. Yet somehow there's a valley with a hundreds of them.