You betcha it's true. Obamao is a rogue, undermining America president

[OldBrownsFan]

^^Exhibit A as to why we have govt regulations "regulating" business's like restaurants. And even with them this shit still happens. I suspect McGovern couldn't run a tight ship.

 

McGovern was a better class liberal than the Harry Reid's and Nancy Pelosi's of today. He was intellectually honest and did not follow the party line on everything. There are regulations and then there are excessive regulations. McGovern was talking about excessive government regulations:

 

One of his biggest challenges had been dealing with myriad federal and state regulations: I wish during the years I was in public office, I had had this firsthand experience about the difficulties business people face every day. That knowledge would have made me a better U.S. Senator and a more understanding presidential contender. . . . We intuitively know that to create job opportunities, we need job entrepreneurs who will risk their capital against an expected payoff. Too often, however, public policy does not consider whether we are choking off these opportunities. Toward the end of his life, McGovern was also a key ally in the fight to defeat so-called card-check legislation. It became the No. 1 priority of union bosses after Obama’s election in 2008, because it would provide a way to bypass the requirement for secret-ballot elections to unionize a company. Instead, under card-check rules, a company’s employees would be declared pro-unionization, as having selected a union, when a simple majority of workers had signed a card — often in the presence of union organizers — stating support for such a move. McGovern lobbied Congress against card check, and he also appeared in an ad sponsored by a pro-business group that called secret ballots in union elections a “basic right.” “It’s hard to believe that any politician would agree to a law denying millions of employees the right to a private vote,” McGovern said in the ad. “I have always been a champion of labor unions. But I fear that today’s union leaders are turning their backs on democratic workplace elections.” In a follow-up interview with the Hill newspaper, McGovern said that a secret ballot is fundamental to the American understanding of democracy: “When we elect a president, sheriff, or member of Congress, we walk into the voting booth and pull the curtain free of anyone trying to twist our arm.” No one ever could twist George McGovern’s arm — either when he was wrong or when he was right. The prairie populist was his own man throughout his career, and the Democratic party and the country are both the poorer for his loss.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331094/mcgovern-was-his-own-man-john-fund

[StinkHole]

Greed and selfishness exists in the realm of humanity, but it is indoctrinated from one generation to the next. Of course it's dressed up with fancy words like capitalism, free market mechanics, efficiency etc, etc. That's how each gen is brainwashed.

 

My own personal belief that after enough lives in this realm it doesn't need to be taught anymore, they are absolutely born that way cause they carry it from one life to the next....the dark side has it's minion. Which is precisely why all of us have to disavow this creation when we pass from here. Be done with it. No god we want any part of made this. Maybe at the beginning..who knows. But not now. Coming back here again and again furthers this bad story. But those are just my personal "beliefs".

Greed is not taught or comes from indoctrination. Greed is a natural desire we are all born with. You liberals have this misconceived notion that humans are inherently good and turn bad because their socio-economic backgrounds...you know, having no personal responsibility for the situation they find yourself in. The liberals "humans are inherently good" dogma presents itself every time there is a thug vs. cop incident. The instincts of your species is to naturally gravitate toward the side of the poor and disadvantaged thug giving him the benefit of the doubt. The cop musta have done something wrong.

 

The conservative viewpoint is that in general humans are inherently bad, and that one must strive to be good. Granted, for some being good is easier than for others. You must teach a child to share, not to be greedy, and not to have temper tantrums every time he doesn't get things his own way. Imagine how they would turn out if they went unchecked. You've never taken home items from work and not considered stealing because of its insignificant monetary value?

 

Too bad God didn't create everyone to have a burning desire to be good, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to etch up those 10 Commandments.

 

Thou shall not covet thy neighbors goods? Familiar with that one? ...the one that relates to greed?

 

Your view of greed is simpleton. How do you measure greed? I suppose the way you liberal extremists and socialist would measure it would be having more than the basic necessities to survive. Is wanting a bigger home greed? How about a home with a pool?

 

Were Henry Ford, Edison, the Wright Bros. Alex Bell, Carnegie, etc greedy men? The entrepreneurial spirit, free from government regulation..the main component of capitalism is what shaped this country into a great one. I wonder how these men would have fared if they were subjected to todays excessive govt. regulations.

 

Yeah its all about "greed", dressed up with fancy words like capitalism, free market..thats so superficial and simpleton Cleve.

[StinkHole]

You intrinsically don't understand our economic structure and what it's really based on. You think that people who made more than you worked harder and were smarter, it's not true. Most of the hardest working people in this country are often the poorest. They just don't have the skillset that has been "chosen" arbitrarily. The financial movers have been chosen because they are the ones that expedite the bubble the most. And those that run our system make the most because they are able to ride the bubble in ways you couldn't even dream of. It of course is meant to suck the blood and sweat upwards with minimal "trickle down". That's a nice fabrication meant to keep people mostly unaware's of just how their labor is being usurped.

 

Most people don't really have an issue with others who make more because they may be stronger, faster smarter etc, etc. But we're well past those quaint notions of societal differences. And anybody who's been in the labor force for any real amt of time intrinsically knows this.

 

For an example of how far "our" brand of capitalism has distorted what you would call a 'true" market...look at our useless athletes and how much they make. Doctors, scientists...hell even the people who make our food without which we couldn't live...how much do they make compared to athletes? Of course that's our fault because we've come to demand what athletes do so heavily and regard them so highly that we've completely lost sight of what's important in this life. It's not the concept of capitalism I have an issue with, nor do I have an issue with socialism...because both have their places. There are areas where collective bahaviors benefit the whole the most and other areas where individual behaviors benefit the whole more. There's a time and place for market competition, but capitalists think everything benefits from being commoditized. And that's exactly why we're all going to be born with diabetes in 50 years (well not me I'm going back the mantle when I leave here). And if you think it's not a big deal that diabetes is slowly being etched into our DNA than you're further lost than I thought.

 

Yet your species will jump right in on a debate having no qualms about discussing whether or not a certain athlete "deserves" a $10 million dollar deal or $20 mil deal, then on the other side of your mouth admonish a corporate CEO for his million dollar salary.

 

I agree with you about the value to humankind of pro athletes, movie stars etc...but didn't LeBron James return spark Clevelands economy?

 

I don't object to the salaries of pro players. The market supports it because we as consumers support it. We love our sports.

 

No doubt capitalism is not perfect. In your rant you did a lot of complaining but you offered no solutions. That's because there aren't any. Recall the words of Winston Churchill and perhaps you'll feel better...

 

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

 

Oh, and also remember this one you bleeding heart idealist utopian...

 

"The poor will always be amongst us".

[OldBrownsFan]

Recall the words of Winston Churchill and perhaps you'll feel better...

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

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Some things never change even in this "information age" so why is there such a problem with low information voters? Another one of Churchill's sayings decades ago is just as true today: “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
― Winston S. Churchill

[StinkHole]

Recall the words of Winston Churchill and perhaps you'll feel better...

 

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

 

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Some things never change even in this "information age" so why is there such a problem with low information voters? Another one of Churchill's sayings decades ago is just as true today: “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

― Winston S. Churchill

Yes, and that's one reason the Founders were vehemently opposed to Democracies. Believed it to be nothing more than mob rule, yet we are brainwashed to believe it as a good thing...that we need to make the world safe for democracy

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say we are a democracy. We were set up as a Republic.

 

"...and to the Democracy for which it stands, one nation..." lol

[OldBrownsFan]

Yes, and that's one reason the Founders were vehemently opposed to Democracies. Believed it to be nothing more than mob rule, yet we are brainwashed to believe it as a good thing...that we need to make the world safe for democracy

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say we are a democracy. We were set up as a Republic.

 

"...and to the Democracy for which it stands, one nation..." lol

I know we are supposed to be a republic but I think we really are more of a mixture.

 

Is the United States of America a republic or a democracy?

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/

[OldBrownsFan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTCXR8uaCHg

 

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
― Winston S. Churchill

 

I think Churchill was referring to something like this, and unfortunately these people vote

[Clevfan4life]

Greed is not taught or comes from indoctrination. Greed is a natural desire we are all born with. You liberals have this misconceived notion that humans are inherently good and turn bad because their socio-economic backgrounds...you know, having no personal responsibility for the situation they find yourself in. The liberals "humans are inherently good" dogma presents itself every time there is a thug vs. cop incident. The instincts of your species is to naturally gravitate toward the side of the poor and disadvantaged thug giving him the benefit of the doubt. The cop musta have done something wrong.

 

I don't know about your cop rant and how that applies to children because an interaction between a cop and another adult has nothing to do with my assertion that we are ingrained in certain behaviors. In any case, I absolutely disagree that "all" children are born greedy. Some are yes, they don't need to be taught. And like I said, there's probably a little bit of genetics involved as well as some other stuff that starts to get into an esoteric discussion. So we'll just agree to disagree because there's evidence for both our positions.

 

You've never taken home items from work and not considered stealing because of its insignificant monetary value?

 

Not as an adult not really.

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Your view of greed is simpleton. How do you measure greed? I suppose the way you liberal extremists and socialist would measure it would be having more than the basic necessities to survive. Is wanting a bigger home greed? How about a home with a pool?

 

No none of that is really "greed" until the urge to have those things makes you start to trample on other people. Would you not object to a thief who said he stole all this shit cause he wanted to have more things? So why would you not object to an economic structure that literally rewards getting over on people? Did you learn nothing from 2008? "WORK" is supposed to be rewarded....in our economy work is becoming a quaint notion reserved for the basic bitches that do the menial labor.

 

Were Henry Ford, Edison, the Wright Bros. Alex Bell, Carnegie, etc greedy men?

 

 

Interesting you mention Carnegie. Was he not later revealed to be one of the biggest corporate dirtbags in our illustrious history of corporate dirtbags?

 

 

 

 

The entrepreneurial spirit, free from government regulation..the main component of capitalism is what shaped this country into a great one. I wonder how these men would have fared if they were subjected to todays excessive govt. regulations.

 

 

They probably would have done fine. They also probably would have understood that this present day we live in is a far cry from what they were in. "Most", not all, but most regulations today are there for a very good reason.

 

 

 

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