wargograw Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy. Plus....drafting DL first....3 years straight.....probably wouldnt be a good plan......??? Thinking well have plenty more pressing needs than DT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 No love for Hartline? He has the makings of McCown's 2015 security blanket... Bowe is a question and Moore is not prime WR material, but we can't play enough WRs at once to get to him... or Lenz... My bad on Hartline- but I think some fans are over rating him. Was last year an aberration, or the start of a trend? Miami found him expendable. Looking at Bowe's career stats, well- I have a bad feeling about this one. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster/Dwayne-Bowe/f1dd6831-7798-4a66-a273-06849532c058 I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy. Bosa replicates his 2014 performance, and he's a lock top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Plus....drafting DL first....3 years straight.....probably wouldnt be a good plan......??? Thinking well have plenty more pressing needs than DT..... Lol nope it wouldn't be. FTR none of the guys mentioned are DTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Yeah I know. That's why I'm saying the move isn't worth it. Re: Hartline, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 FTR none of the guys mentioned are DTs. I guess for me thats just semantics, as we run a 3-4......and that pretty much means we have all DT's on our line and the OLB's are really our DE's....if that makes sense..... So, 3 outta 4 of our DE's....Hughes, Starks & Winn are converted Tackles.....with tackle skills, size, bulk, etc..... And the only "true" DE's weve had recently were D. Bryant, Jabaal Sheard and Armonty....and 2 of em were/are converted to LB.....and the other one added 30 lbs to bulk up and fit the DT mold...... So....in summary..... if we drafted these guys, they would asked to fit the mold(size and play) of your standard DT..(in a 3-4)....or asked to move to LB....because our system just isnt suited for your tradition DE...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Right. Hall and Myles are probably both LBs in our system. Yeah Bosa would be an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Garrett with his 4.46 40 times could easily convert to OLB a la Von Miller. He will terrorize the backfield wherever he ends up. I'd still consider Bosa if we are in position to do so at a reasonable cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 He's 260 and still skinny. He ain't no LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Saw today that Todd McShay's first draft top 32 for 2016 has Cardale Jones @ #19. That would give the Browns a legit shot if it held up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Saw today that Todd McShay's first draft top 32 for 2016 has Cardale Jones @ #19. That would give the Browns a legit shot if it held up. Link? Nevermind, found it: Todd McShay's top 32 for the 2016 NFL draft 1. Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State 2. Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida 3. Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Ole Miss 4. Jalen Ramsey, S, Florida State 5. Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss 6. DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon 7. Maliek Collins, DT, Nebraska 8. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame 9. Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State 10. Jared Goff, QB, California 11. A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama 12. Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame 13. Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU 14. Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State 15. Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State 16. Ezekel Elliott, RB, Ohio State 17. Leonard Floyd, LB, Georgia 18. Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech 19. Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State 20. Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State 21. Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama 22. Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss 23. Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State 24. Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville 25. Myles Jack, LB, UCLA 26. Su'a Cravens, S, USC 27. Adolphus Washington, DT, Ohio State 28. Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor 29. Antonio Morrison, LB, Florida 30. Will Redmond, CB, Mississippi State 31. Mike Williams, WR, Clemson 32. Anthony Zettel, DL, Penn State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Would that like be a record for 6 players from one school to be taken in Round 1? I will try to check. I couldn't find it specifically what the record is....but I suspect that the 6 Miami Hurricanes drafted in 2004 is probably the record: Sean Taylor Kellen Winslow II Jonathan Vilma DJ Williams Vernon Carey Vince Wilfork The OSU group, if it happened would only tie that. (Didn't all those guys play on the team that OSU beat in 2002?) Edit: That Miami team that OSU beat also had 4 other First rounders on it: Andre Johnson Jerome McDougle William McGahee William Joseph. Quite a talented team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Also....I only see 3 WRs on McShay's list here. Thomas OSU, Treadwell Ole Miss, Williams Clemson. Does that mean next year will be a weak WR class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Ohio St. did have 5 players taken in round 1 of the 2006 draft: AJ Hawk Donte Whitner Bobby Carpenter Santonio Holmes Nick Mangold (only Whitner and Mangold made Pro Bowls....but Holmes did get a SB MVP...which is better) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Per PFRs Career Average stat, the following are the best players drafted from Ohio St (at least going back to the 50s/60s): 1. Paul Warfield 2. Orlando Pace 3. Chris Carter 4. Jim Tyrer 5. Randy Gradishar 6. Eddie George 7. Joey Galloway 8. Jim Lachey 9. Pepper Johnson 10. Chris Spielman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Per PFRs Career Average stat, the following are the best players drafted from Ohio St (at least going back to the 50s/60s): 1. Paul Warfield 2. Orlando Pace 3. Chris Carter 4. Jim Tyrer 5. Randy Gradishar 6. Eddie George 7. Joey Galloway 8. Jim Lachey 9. Pepper Johnson 10. Chris Spielman Groza, Lavelli and Willis probably were undrafted and/or before this stat was applied, eh? Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I have no faith in McCown. Can't see him lasting long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Groza, Lavelli and Willis probably were undrafted and/or before this stat was applied, eh? Zombo Yea, I was looking at the CA averages....which do not go back to their days....that is why I said "going back to the 50s/60s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I have no faith in McCown. Can't see him lasting long. What has that got to do with either draft strategy or what we have been saying here for the last two pages. That is so random, like saying "I have no confidence that Beano will stop me from farting". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Hack, Goff or C. Jones pick 1.Look at Treadwell from old miss, A Dez look alike or Williams from Clemson either pick 2. Early likes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Saw today that Todd McShay's first draft top 32 for 2016 has Cardale Jones @ #19. That would give the Browns a legit shot if it held up. Not seeing much chance of that based upon game 1. Kid doesn't act like he has a pulse. I have no faith in McCown. Can't see him lasting long. He's not supposed to last long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I think I would move Derrick Henry past Elliott as the top RB. At 6'3" 242 lbs. with power and speed he could help our running game set up the play action and get the tough yards inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I think I would move Derrick Henry past Elliott as the top RB. At 6'3" 242 lbs. with power and speed he could help our running game set up the play action and get the tough yards inside. EzE is the superior pass catcher and off ball player. In today's NFL, that means a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColumbusKing Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I think I would move Derrick Henry past Elliott as the top RB. At 6'3" 242 lbs. with power and speed he could help our running game set up the play action and get the tough yards inside. Not wanting to rule him out right away, but the Browns didn't have the best luck with the last RB we took from Bama.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Not wanting to rule him out right away, but the Browns didn't have the best luck with the last RB we took from Bama.... sec is not treating us well lately........Manziel, Mingo and Richardson...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 sec is not treating us well lately........Manziel, Mingo and Richardson...... Well you can wait another year and take Fornette (the next Adrian Peterson) after the SEC shock wears off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Add Malcolm Johnson and Bowe to that list lol! Id probably take Elliot over Henry too. Henry looks a step slow. Destined for "plodder" status in the NFL after his initial shine wears off. He hasn't done a ton this year either but then, I realize they're asking him to play a limited role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well you can wait another year and take Fornette (the next Adrian Peterson) after the SEC shock wears off. Or Samaje Perine and skip the SEC all together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Or Samaje Perine and skip the SEC all together Big 12 Dumpster fire? Right. Valerie Perrine would be better for our O . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Perrine's legit, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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