gftChris Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000572205/article/whisenhunt-relieved-of-duties-as-titans-head-coach The Tennessee Titans have parted ways with head coach Ken Whisenhunt, the team announced Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Well, that is kind of fucked up. He is playing with a rookie QB that got hurt. Unjustified imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 From Whisenhunt to Mularkey.....(replace your retread with a retread)......hahahaha!...... This is why firing Pettine isnt a good idea.....only retreads are available..... AND, when firing during the season, all teams usually tap an existing coach to act as interim.....so we'd be firing pettine and inserting who?.....Oneill?....Flip?.....some other coach none of us even have heard of?..... HEY, wait just a minute!!!...maybe we can get Whisenhunt....?!?! Hahhahaaaaaaaa.......way to go Titans!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 They went 2-14, drafted a QB everyone knew would take time to develop, and a WR in DGB who every knew would take time to develop. What did they seriously expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 If we fired Pettine by years end (I don't think we will OFC), Whisenhunt will be one of the guys we talk to and everybody will complain that we aren't interviewing Bill Cowher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 We should fire Pettine and get him while we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 there are literally dozens of upgrades over mike pettine. Whisenhunt wouldnt be my first pick, or even in my top ten......but he would be a massive upgrade over the waste of space that is Mike pettine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Id only point out that Pettines team just beat Whisenhunts team......by a large margin...... So, yeah, Its obvious he'd be a massive upgrade........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 OMG I want Ken Whisenhut. Gotta have us some Ken Whisenhut. Some of you fuckers are clowns for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 From Whisenhunt to Mularkey.....(replace your retread with a retread)......hahahaha!...... This is why firing Pettine isnt a good idea.....only retreads are available..... AND, when firing during the season, all teams usually tap an existing coach to act as interim.....so we'd be firing pettine and inserting who?.....Oneill?....Flip?.....some other coach none of us even have heard of?..... HEY, wait just a minute!!!...maybe we can get Whisenhunt....?!?! Hahhahaaaaaaaa.......way to go Titans!!! Biggest reason why firing Pettine before year's end doesn't make sense. Seriously, who on this staff would you want as a HC even at an interim level? That's what we would be looking at if we let Pettine go before year's end. Although the trend appears to be to hire tight end coaches which would be Brian Angelichio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Biggest reason why firing Pettine before year's end doesn't make sense. Seriously, who on this staff would you want as a HC even at an interim level? That's what we would be looking at if we let Pettine go before year's end. Although the trend appears to be to hire tight end coaches which would be Brian Angelichio? Well, he took Barnidge from 3 career TDs to 6 this season - if he can have a similar impact everywhere then I'm up for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Players win and lose games. Period. Problem is you can't fire the 53 of them, so the captain of the ship takes the fall. Talent on the field wins games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Id only point out that Pettines team just beat Whisenhunts team......by a large margin...... So, yeah, Its obvious he'd be a massive upgrade........ Whisenhunt also took a team to a super bowl once as a head coach.....so yeah it is pretty obvious its a massive upgrade. note that the titans did the right thing in firing him. He's been terrible, the team is going backwards, and its year 2. After year 2 in the nfl if you arent moving forward and you still suck, it's hit the bricks pal. Pettine is about to find that out at the end of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackbrownie2 Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Whisenhunt also took a team to a super bowl once as a head coach.....so yeah it is pretty obvious its a massive upgrade. note that the titans did the right thing in firing him. He's been terrible, the team is going backwards, and its year 2. After year 2 in the nfl if you arent moving forward and you still suck, it's hit the bricks pal. Pettine is about to find that out at the end of this season. He had a fucking QB. Of course he went to the super bowl. You idiots don't understand that any coach can look awful when they don't have playmakers. Swap Belichick and Wizenhunt this year and tell me who still has a job.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Players win and lose games. Period. Problem is you can't fire the 53 of them, so the captain of the ship takes the fall. Talent on the field wins games. So why did the now 6-2 Falcons suck last year? Most of the talent is the same. The Browns on talent alone aren't great, but they are better than 2-6. Look at our coaches: Flip: Explains in detail why things went wrong and adapts his scheme to the talent he has, hence all the spread-style plays where he tries to put the little shifty guys in space. Result: the better of the two main units on this team. O'Neil: Gets fiery and defensive in press conferences when he can't explain why they suck. Plays to his players weaknesses (i.e. Kruger), doing the opposite of what Flip does on offense. Pettine: Has a cliche excuse for every question, has no problem getting his QB killed. Looks like a beaten man and won't hold his players accountable. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Pettine fired (yet), but that's mostly because hitting the reset button repeatedly hasn't worked in the past, and because I like Flip and we'd lose him if Pettine got fired, and also because there isn't really anyone better who would come here (though we could've waited for Quinn). The Browns suck this year because of the coaching, and it began in training camp. Listen to the people who watched it, all of them say how low-energy the camp was and how all these players were getting a lot of time off for minor things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeputyDawg Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Surely the Pettine/Farmer regime needs to be given longer than a season and a half? You can't turn around a franchise that has been in the doldrums since a long time ago in that short space of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 The Browns suck this year because of the coaching, and it began in training camp. Please. We all talk about "our talented roster", again please. A lot of our starters on defense would never see the field for the Broncos, and most of our "depth" (lol) players wouldn't make the Bronco's 53.......... If you think Bill Walsh would've still been the Genius without Montana, Rice, Taylor, ect... then you are sadly mistaken. I'm not saying coaching isn't important, but I have never seen a coach throw a pick, drop a pass, blow an assignment, miss a tackle or make a tackle (OK, maybe one coach made a tackle - looking at you Tomlin). Ask any coach, in any sport at any level and he/she will tell you players win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Surely the Pettine/Farmer regime needs to be given longer than a season and a half? You can't turn around a franchise that has been in the doldrums since a long time ago in that short space of time. yes, yes you can. two years is actually the ideal window(to see major improvements at least) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Whisenhunt will end up as someone's OC and he'll do well again. It can be as simple as that is his level of competence. So why did the now 6-2 Falcons suck last year? Most of the talent is the same. The Browns on talent alone aren't great, but they are better than 2-6. And last year we were the overachieving team early. Take another look and you'll see the Falcons have been returning to Earth recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Please. We all talk about "our talented roster", again please. A lot of our starters on defense would never see the field for the Broncos, and most of our "depth" (lol) players wouldn't make the Bronco's 53.......... If you think Bill Walsh would've still been the Genius without Montana, Rice, Taylor, ect... then you are sadly mistaken. I'm not saying coaching isn't important, but I have never seen a coach throw a pick, drop a pass, blow an assignment, miss a tackle or make a tackle (OK, maybe one coach made a tackle - looking at you Tomlin). Ask any coach, in any sport at any level and he/she will tell you players win games. I didn't say our roster is talented, I said they aren't as bad as 2-6 without some other factors. Coaches don't make tackles, but they decide how much time is spent in practice tackling, which when people don't practice tackling, they start sucking at it. Same for blowing assignments. When you don't work your players in training camp, which is what happened this year, go ask Nathan Zigura and Jim Donovan who both said as much on CBD and RBS, you end up with guys who are not where they need to be when the games start to matter. Coaching, players, it ALL matters and it impacts the wins and losses. Seattle won the Super Bowl with a bunch of late round and undrafted picks. Outside of Tom Brady and Gronk, who do the Patriots have on offense? Why is Dion Lewis so effective in New England when he got cut in Cleveland? Our. Coaches. Suck. They can't motivate. They can't scheme. If you think otherwise, you're the one who is mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Although the trend appears to be to hire tight end coaches... And there it is... Whisenhunt was once our TE coach... Feels like there has to be more "behind the scenes" with this firing. As others said above the circumstances in Nashville would seem to have called for more patience than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Coaching, players, it ALL matters and it impacts the wins and losses. Seattle won the Super Bowl with a bunch of late round and undrafted picks. Outside of Tom Brady and Gronk, who do the Patriots have on offense? Why is Dion Lewis so effective in New England when he got cut in Cleveland? Our. Coaches. Suck. They can't motivate. They can't scheme. If you think otherwise, you're the one who is mistaken. Totally agree, "coaching, players it ALL matters", throw in ownership, GM, scouting, strength and conditioning coaches. it does all matter. The Pats WRs always seem to be open... Is that because some coach has the mystical, magical Xs and Os? Of course not, it's because they are freakin' good. Brady is the motor that makes that elite machine purr, no doubt, but don't be fooled - he has talent all around him. Yes, you hit on Lewis being released by us and scooped up by the Pats, as well as Seattle's success. Anyone who watched Lewis run for us in pre-season saw what I saw, and thought "wow, there is our RB of the future"..... Well, apparently the Browns' GM didn't watch pre-season, and foolishly let yet another football player walk out the door. In Seattle, the GM/scouts are obviously on top of their game, because they are drafting quality football players in all rounds of the draft, while the Browns draft 3, maybe 4 busts in the first round, and in only two years no less. The Browns go after the shinny, sparkly trinket, while Seattle goes after the iron hammer. Pettine has made more than his fair share of mistakes, and he doesn't seem to be learning from them and that is troubling, but if we fire him on Friday morning, nothing will change, and the round-about will be reset yet again. Farmer on the other hand, I could give 2 craps if he's fired today............ ooooohhhhhhhh he drafted Desir in the 35th round and he's a "quality NFL db" (LMAO - only for the 32nd ranked D is he a quality DB) big fucking deal. I'm sure Jimmy loves signing Bowe's check twice per month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimdawg Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 yes, yes you can. two years is actually the ideal window(to see major improvements at least) Where are you getting this two years is the ideal window from? Whos been saying this in the nfl? I mean i guess youd ideally like to see major improvement in year 2, but if you dont, it doesnt mean that eventually you wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 The Pats WRs always seem to be open... Is that because some coach has the mystical, magical Xs and Os? Of course not, it's because they are freakin' good. Actually... Saw an analysis on ESPN a week or so ago by, I think, Tim Hasselbeck where he said the Pats run as many as ten pick plays a game with the philosophy of "if we get caught and have a penalty called on a couple, then that means 8 were successful." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackbrownie2 Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Actually... Saw an analysis on ESPN a week or so ago by, I think, Tim Hasselbeck where he said the Pats run as many as ten pick plays a game with the philosophy of "if we get caught and have a penalty called on a couple, then that means 8 were successful." This is 100% true. Literally why Tom Brady can play for 5+ more years because the pick plays allow him to find open receivers on short routes. He rarely throws down the field.. I just wish they called those penalties more consistently.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Actually... Saw an analysis on ESPN a week or so ago by, I think, Tim Hasselbeck where he said the Pats run as many as ten pick plays a game with the philosophy of "if we get caught and have a penalty called on a couple, then that means 8 were successful." You mean the Patriots cheat? What an astounding revelation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Mean ol' Patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 They went 2-14, drafted a QB everyone knew would take time to develop, and a WR in DGB who every knew would take time to develop. What did they seriously expect? Hm. This sounds familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Totally agree, "coaching, players it ALL matters", throw in ownership, GM, scouting, strength and conditioning coaches. it does all matter. The Pats WRs always seem to be open... Is that because some coach has the mystical, magical Xs and Os? Of course not, it's because they are freakin' good. Brady is the motor that makes that elite machine purr, no doubt, but don't be fooled - he has talent all around him. Welker is fantastic right now. So is Kenbrell Thompkins. You know, New England's leading receivers not named Gronk only a few short years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Welker is fantastic right now. So is Kenbrell Thompkins. You know, New England's leading receivers not named Gronk only a few short years ago. "a few short years ago" is a lifetime in the NFL, where the average career is only 3+ years long. That's why it's helpful to not miss on draft picks, especially 3-4 1st rounders in two years. That way when one of your talented vets moves on, you can replace him with a talented young guy...... You know, like we did with Gilbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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