gftChris Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34751370 US President Barack Obama has announced he is rejecting an application to build the Keystone XL pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 He hates gainful employment and less dependence on foreign oil. Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I'm not too familiar with the keystone pipeline, why's it such a controversy? Just that we want to avoid oil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 He hates gainful employment and less dependence on foreign oil. Fantastic.Just saw him this morning on msnbc jabbering away about improved US oil production making dependence on unstable foreign oil decline.Assclown. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 That pipeline wouldn't make the slightest dent in our unemployment numbers. Why are infrastructure jobs ridiculed as shovel ready rubbish that disappear after the project is done but people act like this pipeline will spawn magic fairies that will spread out across the continent bestowing employment on all of us like some harry potter bullshit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 That pipeline wouldn't make the slightest dent in our unemployment numbers. Why are infrastructure jobs ridiculed as shovel ready rubbish that disappear after the project is done but people act like this pipeline will spawn magic fairies that will spread out across the continent bestowing employment on all of us like some harry potter bullshit?Hard to say. Why do you assholes squeal like a stuck pig about the pipeline but cry like little bitches because we won't hire more union road workers? And of course it would make a dent. It would also make a dent our energy independence. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 http://www.npr.org/2015/02/25/389008046/a-hard-look-at-the-risks-of-transporting-oil-on-rail-tanker-cars and the railroad is already overused getting the petrol from Canada & ND down to the refineries to the point of possible hazardous accidents. Arent you libs against that? no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 That pipeline wouldn't make the slightest dent in our unemployment numbers. Why are infrastructure jobs ridiculed as shovel ready rubbish that disappear after the project is done but people act like this pipeline will spawn magic fairies that will spread out across the continent bestowing employment on all of us like some harry potter bullshit? You realize the jobs that are created to support a pipeline operation? It isn't just the people working on the pipeline. Service industry people make $16 an hour to support the boom right now in North Dakota. I work in oil and gas. It isn't just the project. It is all of the supporting industries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 http://www.npr.org/2015/02/25/389008046/a-hard-look-at-the-risks-of-transporting-oil-on-rail-tanker-cars and the railroad is already overused getting the petrol from Canada & ND down to the refineries to the point of possible hazardous accidents. Arent you libs against that? no? CSX has rail workers who are facing layoffs due to the slow down in coal. The Pipeline would give these people work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Dependence on fossil fuels also moves us away from nuclear power, are those jobs not important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Dependence on fossil fuels also moves us away from nuclear power, are those jobs not important? Cool. Get started on getting everyone on board with building nuclear power plants after Fukishima and we will have this conversation again. Until then, I will keep the conversation grounded in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Right. The public is stupid and easily controlled with fear mongering propaganda (.... cough.... ) Nuclear Power sounds scary. That's all a lot of people need. Fuck the fact it is probably our best option and needs to researched and invested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Dependence on fossil fuels also moves us away from nuclear power, are those jobs not important? And, the results of legalization keep pouring in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Right. The public is stupid and easily controlled with fear mongering propaganda (.... cough.... ) Nuclear Power sounds scary. That's all a lot of people need. Fuck the fact it is probably our best option and needs to researched and invested in. Nuclear power is just fine but the public image took a huge hit after Fukishima. People were already iffy after what happened at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. So we could sit and have a conversation about an energy source that scares the shit out of people or we could discuss a pipeline that could be realistically built soon if politicians didn't make it an ordeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Right. The public is stupid and easily controlled with fear mongering propaganda (.... cough.... ) Nuclear Power sounds scary. That's all a lot of people need. Fuck the fact it is probably our best option and needs to researched and invested in. I think you can thank the left for that fear mongering.High time to quit being pussies about nuclear energy. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Nuclear power is just fine but the public image took a huge hit after Fukishima. People were already iffy after what happened at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. So we could sit and have a conversation about an energy source that scares the shit out of people or we could discuss a pipeline that could be realistically built soon if politicians didn't make it an ordeal. Exxon Valdez, Deep Water Horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Exxon Valdez, Deep Water Horizon. Just to be the devil's advocate, better or worse than Chernobyl? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Just to be the devil's advocate, better or worse than Chernobyl? WSS Good question. To be honest I really don't know how this will all shake scientifically or economically and it's probably speculation at this point by ecologists and economists. I will say this though Exxon and Horizon were worse from my perspective because they happened closer to the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Exxon Valdez, Deep Water Horizon. Oh, so the ocean where the spill happened is completely unuseable for the next thousand years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Oh, so the ocean where the spill happened is completely unuseable for the next thousand years? SMH, neither you nor I are capable of truly grasping how any of these accidents will resonate through all the ecosystems, economic systems, etc. so let's no be foolhardy enough to act like we know the future. However we can grasp that both nuclear energy and fossil fuels, oil and natural gas, have had negative impacts on both the environment and the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 We know for certain what happens after a nuclear plant meltdown. There is no speculation. A habitat can rebound from an oil spill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 ^ No, while Berkshire Hathaway has their hands on Washington's balls tightly the railroad isn't that much to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 I think you can thank the left for that fear mongering. High time to quit being pussies about nuclear energy. WSS You're probably right. GreenPeace is full of hippy morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Nuclear power is just fine but the public image took a huge hit after Fukishima. People were already iffy after what happened at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. So we could sit and have a conversation about an energy source that scares the shit out of people or we could discuss a pipeline that could be realistically built soon if politicians didn't make it an ordeal. 1) Don't build a nuclear power plant on a fault line 2) Don't use equipment/technology that is decades out of date France seems to do just fine with it. Nuclear power is out best option going forward. We need to educate the public on this energy source and gain public - ... who the fuck am I kidding. 28% of Americans take the Bible literally. We're still arguing over the existence of man made climate change. People are fucking stupid. It will be a long time before the American public is ready for widespread nuclear power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Just to be the devil's advocate, better or worse than Chernobyl? Better than Chernobyl by far. Chernobyl is still not particularly safe to inhabit 30 years later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Ohio's own davis-besse is one of the worst power plants in America. I believe it has the most incidents or at least the most serious incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 You realize the jobs that are created to support a pipeline operation? It isn't just the people working on the pipeline. Service industry people make $16 an hour to support the boom right now in North Dakota. I work in oil and gas. It isn't just the project. It is all of the supporting industries. Teh boom in ND that is starting to die isn't it? I get it, a few peeps got filthy rich in ND. Overall though that so called boom hasn't done shit for us. And i know that boom is dying out cause i have family in PA in the Steel mills....it kept them going for awhile it's true, but now it's pretty much over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Hard to say. Why do you assholes squeal like a stuck pig about the pipeline but cry like little bitches because we won't hire more union road workers? And of course it would make a dent. It would also make a dent our energy independence. WSS 1) wtf are you talking about with union road workers? i seriously dont' have the slightest idea what that means so i couldn't be crying about it. Check to see first if someone has any idea of your super cool reference. If they don't, you're kind of just throwing shit in for fun than. 2) It would make no dent in our energy independance. That's a lie spoonfed to you by the pipeline people, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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