Donald Trump says ban all Muslims traveling to US

[calfoxwc]

http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/40/naturalization

 

NaturalizationARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 4

Few powers are more fundamental to sovereignty than the control over immigration and the vesting of citizenship in aliens (naturalization). According to the Declaration of Independence, "obstructing the Laws for the Naturalization of Foreigners" was one of the grievances that led the American colonists to break with Britain.

Under the Articles of Confederation, each state retained authority over the naturalization of aliens. This resulted in widely varying state practices, which James Madison in The FederalistNo. 42 called a "fault" and "defect" of the Confederation. At the Constitutional Convention, there was virtually no opposition to moving the naturalization power from the states to the new national government, and in the ratification debates only a handful of Anti-Federalists even raised the issue. James Madison seemed to speak the sentiment of most when at the Convention he expressed his wish "to invite foreigners of merit & republican principles among us. America was indebted to emigration for her settlement & prosperity."

Congress passed the first "uniform Rule of Naturalization" under the new Constitution in March 1790. It allowed "any alien, being a free white person" and "of good character" who had resided in the United States for two years to become a "citizen of the United States" by taking an oath in court "to support the constitution of the United States." Although Alexander Hamilton had argued in The Federalist No. 32 that the power to establish "an uniform rule of naturalization...must necessarily be exclusive; because if each State had power to prescribe a distinct rule, there could not be a uniform rule," some states continued to naturalize foreigners even after Congress had acted. In 1795, Congress claimed exclusive authority over naturalization by establishing new conditions—"and not otherwise"—for aliens "to become a citizen of the United States, or any of them." In Chirac v. Lessee of Chirac (1817), the Supreme Court affirmed that "the power of naturalization is exclusively in congress," notwithstanding any state laws to the contrary.

Individual naturalizations following Congress's "uniform Rule" were not the only avenues to citizenship for those who were not American citizens by birth. The incorporation of the Louisiana Territory and Florida into the Union in the first decades of the nineteenth century raised the issue of whether the national government through treaty or law could vest citizenship collectively. A federal circuit court in 1813 and then the Supreme Court inAmerican Insurance Co. v. 356 Bales of Cotton (1828) upheld collective naturalization. Moreover, in 1848 the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican-American War, offered the Mexican inhabitants of the territories ceded to the United States the option of maintaining their Mexican citizenship or, if they made no such request, becoming American citizens.

From the beginning, American naturalization law and practice assumed that a free citizen of one country had the right to transfer his allegiance to another if the latter allowed: hence, the provision of the 1795 law that required the new citizen to "absolutely and entirely renounce" any previous allegiance. However, this essential element of social-contract theory—that political communities are the free association of individuals to promote their mutual security and happiness—violated settled European norms. Sir William Blackstone had written inCommentaries on the Laws of England that the "natural allegiance" owed by all those born within the sovereign's domain could not be "forfeited, cancelled, or altered" by any act of the subject himself, including moving to another country and "swearing allegiance to another."

This conflict of views on the legitimacy of voluntary expatriation led to considerable conflict between the new nation and both Britain and France, especially when the latter two nations captured on the high seas and impressed into their naval service former nationals who had moved to the United States. This was one of the American grievances that led to the War of 1812. As late as the 1860s, the British government refused to recognize the American naturalization of former Irish subjects. In response, Congress passed the Expatriation Act of 1868, which declared that "the right of expatriation is a natural and inherent right of all people, indispensable to the enjoyment of the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Key criteria for citizenship of the Naturalization Act of 1795 remain part of American law. These include (1) five years of (lawful) residence within the United States; (2) a "good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States"; (3) the taking of a formal oath to support the Constitution and to renounce any foreign allegiance; and (4) the renunciation of any hereditary titles.

Current law, which is much more detailed than the first naturalization statutes, also requires competency in the English language and excludes those who advocate world communism or the violent overthrow of the government of the United States. Also, current law prohibits discrimination in naturalization on the basis of race, sex, or marital status. The elements of the oath have been expanded to include a solemn commitment "to support and defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;...to bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and...to bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law, or...to perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law" (with exceptions for conscientious objectors).

Federal law and regulations establish procedures, administered by the Department of State, by which Americans can voluntarily renounce their citizenship. In addition, federal law lists a variety of acts that shall result in the loss of citizenship if "voluntarily perform[ed]...with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality." These include obtaining naturalization in a foreign state; declaring allegiance to a foreign state; serving in the armed forces of a foreign state as an officer or when the foreign state is engaged in hostilities against the United States; and, in some cases, serving in governmental office in a foreign state.

Prior to several important Supreme Court decisions in the last half of the twentieth century, federal law had also required loss of citizenship for, among other acts, voting in a foreign election; deserting during wartime; leaving the country during wartime to evade military service; and, for those who acquired dual nationality at birth, voluntarily seeking or claiming the benefits of foreign nationality and residing in the foreign state for three years continuously after the age of twenty-two.

Although the Supreme Court in MacKenzie v. Hare (1915) upheld Congress's power to expatriate, in 1958 the Court began to cut back on Congress's power in a number of closely decided cases. Although it upheld expatriation for voting in a foreign election, Perez v. Brownell (1958), it overturned expatriations for desertion from the military during wartime,Trop v. Dulles (1958), and for service by a dual national in the Japanese army during World War II, Nishikawa v. Dulles (1958). In 1963, in Kennedy v. Mendoza-Martinez, the Court ruled that a citizen could not be expatriated for fleeing the country during wartime to evade military service. The following year, it extended the limits on expatriation to naturalized citizens who returned to their native countries and resided there for at least three years. Schneider v. Rusk(1964). Then in Afroyim v. Rusk (1967), it overturned Perez v. Brownell by ruling that a naturalized American citizen who relocated to Israel and voted in an election for the Israeli Knesset could not lose his citizenship as a result.

In Rogers v. Bellei (1971), however, the Court did uphold a statute requiring that if a person acquires United States citizenship by virtue of having been born abroad to an American citizen, he shall lose his citizenship unless he resides in the United States continuously for five years between the ages of fourteen and twenty-eight. But this statute applied only to a person who was neither born in the United States nor naturalized in the United States. In any event, in 1978, Congress removed from federal law the residency requirements upheld in Rogers v. Bellei.

Finally, in Vance v. Terrazas (1980), the Court clarified its decision in Afroyim by holding that it was not enough to show that an individual voluntarily committed an act that Congress determined was inconsistent with American citizenship. It was necessary also to show independently that the individual "intended to relinquish his citizenship." Given the broad language of the more recent cases, it seems that no involuntary expatriations are lawful. The one exception, which applies only to naturalized Americans, is the denaturalization (and deportation) of those who became citizens through fraud or illegality. It has been applied most notably in recent decades to former Nazis who engaged in war crimes during World War II and later lied about their wartime activities either when they entered the United States as "displaced persons" or when they applied for citizenship.

Until recent decades, American public policy consistently prohibited dual citizenship. Since 1795, Congress has required that all candidates for naturalization formally renounce allegiance to their native land and any other foreign power. That requirement remains a part of national law and is an integral element of the citizenship oath. The rationale for these policies is that citizenship requires undivided loyalty to one country.

Yet today there are millions of American citizens who are also citizens of other countries. Many are naturalized American citizens whose native countries do not recognize the renunciation of loyalty that their native citizens make in the American citizenship oath. Others are the offspring of one American parent and one foreign parent, deriving citizenship from both sides, or foreign-born children adopted by American parents. Because the courts now prohibit the government from expatriating those who maintain an active citizenship in a foreign nation (some American citizens have even held political office in other countries), dual citizenship has become a fact of American life, despite statutory law.

[calfoxwc]

So, I think, that since Islam is not just a religion, but also a political movement,

there is merit to the idea that Muslims who believe in the "islamic state"/caliphate/sharia law...

 

should stay the hell out of our country.

 

It isn't a matter of religion... it's a matter of politics and security and loyalty to our country.

[hammertime]

I think its close to treason to continue to allow any perceived threat into our country.

 

PC shit needs to end.

[Clevfan4life]

by being a bitch. If you say you'd like something theoretically to happen but it's impossible how is that stupid. I'd like to fuck Megan Fox too but it's probably impossible. Want to pick that apart?

 

i'm fucking rolling

[Clevfan4life]

It's also a ridiculous idea that would fall flat on its face.

 

yeah but partial mediated isolationism is possible and probably is what needs to happen.

 

 

 

 

Rand Paul 2016 <----

 

[bbedward]

 

yeah but partial mediated isolationism is possible and probably is what needs to happen.

 

 

 

 

Rand Paul 2016 <----

 

Small government teabags and right wingers are the loudest group right now. You'd think Rand would get more traction given he actually has thought out plans, is a real small government guy, and knows what he's talking about.

 

I disagree with him on a bit, but I'm 100% with him on foreign policy - no idea why the Republican party isn't giving him the time of day. Not bible thumping anti gay and such enough I guess.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Small government teabags and right wingers are the loudest group right now. You'd think Rand would get more traction given he actually has thought out plans, is a real small government guy, and knows what he's talking about.

 

I disagree with him on a bit, but I'm 100% with him on foreign policy - no idea why the Republican party isn't giving him the time of day. Not bible thumping anti gay and such enough I guess.

Who gives a flying fuck what you guess?

[bbedward]

Who gives a flying fuck what you guess?

Sadly, not enough people

[LogicIsForSquares]

I very rarely get legit pissed off at anything but in my original statement I said it wasn't possible. What more do you want?

I wasn't bagging on you.

[The Cysko Kid]

I wasn't actually directing that at you although it was in response to your post.

 

I apologize to chris as well. I've had a rough day.

[Browns149]

The reason Rand isn't getting the hype, is he's not a TV star. The rep's think the only way they can win is by having some reality TV guy on the ticket.

 

If some no name person said the things Trump has said, or had the background Trump has, he wouldn't even be considered.

 

But in 2015/2016, you need a blow hole with TV cred to even have a chance.

 

That's why Hillary will win. She's nothing but a blow hole with TV cred. She has very little in the way of ACTUAL gov't experience, just like Trump, but she doesn't say crazy things like Trump.

 

It's like Trump just flings crazy at the wall, and if it sticks, he runs with it, And if it doesn't he moves on and no one cares about his crazy, because he's Trump

[StinkHole]

It's also a ridiculous idea that would fall flat on its face.

Stuart

 

From 1924 to 1965 the US shut down all immigration. It can be done.

 

Your democrat idol FDR rounded up all the Japs. It can be done.

 

 

Most troubling is that we are about to accept 9000 Muslim refugees but have no room for Syrian Christians.

What do you make of that you silly ass liberal?

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/228670-no-room-in-america-for-christian-refugees

[gftChris]

by being a bitch. If you say you'd like something theoretically to happen but it's impossible how is that stupid. I'd like to fuck Megan Fox too but it's probably impossible. Want to pick that apart?

It's not the impossibility of it happening that's stupid, I get it's a hypothetical. The idea itself is what I was criticising. I'm sorry if I inadvertently was a bit of a dick about it, it wasn't my intention (yesterday was a shitty day, this is a shitty week).

 

The idea of completely isolating the US from the entire outside world is ridiculous - not the logistics, the actual outcome of it. The logistics are pretty trivial, really.

[gftChris]

I wasn't actually directing that at you although it was in response to your post.

 

I apologize to chris as well. I've had a rough day.

No worries.

[Axe]

http://100percentfedup.com/bombshell-president-carter-banned-iranians-from-america-during-hostage-crisis/

[Westside Steve]

I know it's tough but can't you guys read the next line where he says until this administration knows what's going on?

 

WSS

[MLD Woody]

I know it's tough but can't you guys read the next line where he says until this administration knows what's going on?

 

WSS

Does that make banning a group of people based on their religion any better?

[Westside Steve]

Does that make banning a group of people based on their religion any better?

Yes.

 

WSS

[The Cysko Kid]

Leftists go on and on and on about context when it's something that behooves them but they're known to ignore context when something out of context would benefit them. Such as right now.

[hammertime]

why would anyone disagree with protecting our nation?

[The Cysko Kid]

Because bigots and safe spaces and microaggressions

[MLD Woody]

why would anyone disagree with protecting our nation?

Good point.

 

I'll need access to all of your phone calls, emails, anything through the mail, pictures, etc. We'll monitor your from now on as well.

 

Just to be safe

[MLD Woody]

Leftists go on and on and on about context when it's something that behooves them but they're known to ignore context when something out of context would benefit them. Such as right now.

That context being...?

 

(I'll give you the opportunity to word it how you see fit)

[The Cysko Kid]

"Until this administration figures it out"

[The Cysko Kid]

I don't need to word it any way. It's already worded. You're just choosing to focus on some words more than others

[hammertime]

if I were of the religion or race that was declaring war on the USA then yes, id have to accept the ramifications.

 

You think that's wrong?

[gftChris]

if I were of the religion or race that was declaring war on the USA then yes, id have to accept the ramifications.

 

You think that's wrong?

It's not a race or religion declaring war on the US though.

[Osiris]

if I were of the religion or race that was declaring war on the USA then yes, id have to accept the ramifications.

 

You think that's wrong?

 

A religion or race can not declare war, only nations and political organizations can do that.

[The Cysko Kid]

 

A religion or race can not declare war, only nations and political organizations can do that.

That's not necessarily true though is it? What nations did the abassid caliphate represent? It represented islam. And only islam constantly at war to spread islam, like a virus. And this was during the so called "golden age" of islam.

[OldBrownsFan]

Obama wants to bring 10,000 Syrian refugees into this country when there is no way to vet these people. I think many reasonable people would agree to put on pause this idea because we have no idea of who we are bringing in to this country.

 

What Trump said is way over the line about not allowing Muslims in to this country just because they are Muslim. I thought Trump had a silly answer when he was asked how we would know if people were Muslims or not and he said we would ask them (as if someone could not lie about it). Obviously to me Trump has not thought through on this idea however every time he says something like this and the talking heads say he has really doomed his campaign he only rises in the polls.