Tour2ma Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 For those suggesting he's not a #1 receiver - based on what? Height? Weight? And how do you define a #1 receiver? Complete route tree. Polished WR able to step into feature role Game 1 irregardless of pro system. They don't grow on trees, but you can grow them. Just not what I see now. Doesn't mean he's not a seedling... Some people say he replaces Benji, I disagree. I think we upgraded from him. 1. I think fills Benji's role. 2. Rookie to rookie comparison? No doubt, an upgrade. But seasoned Benji to rookie CC? A continuation with added upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Something I forgot to add. We forget (myself included) that Hue was not in charge of Cincy's Draft. Doubtless he had input, but he was the OC, not the GM or HC. He still may not have total say, but I would think he has a whole lot more input than he had at Cincy. I had heard and thought that Treadwell was going to be their target, but I didn't take into account that Hue likes Team Speed. I think Coleman reflects this, and may be an indicator of the types of players Hue is going to focus on. Addendum: Hadn't seen this posted - http://fanpass.nfl.com/story/831/draft-diary-corey-coleman-is-cleveland-s-guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 His size isn't too much of a concern. What is a concern is 17 drops over the last 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Got nothing on "yards per route"... is that even a thing? From PFF's Round One Grades... 15. Cleveland Browns: Corey Coleman | Grade: A (Pick acquired in trade with Tennessee Titans) Our top receiver is off the board as Corey Coleman goes to Cleveland. He’s dynamic both before and after the catch, capable of separating as well as any receiver in the draft and then taking it to the house after he catches it. Coleman posted a ridiculous 4.88 yards per route (best in the nation) before a poor quarterback situation hurt his production. His 10 drops are cause for some concern, but not nearly enough to offset what he brings to the table as both a short and deep threat. Even with his limited experience running a number of routes in Baylor’s offense, Coleman has all of the skills to separate on any type of route once he transitions to the NFL. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/04/28/draft-2016-nfl-draft-pick-by-pick-grades-and-analysis-of-round-1-2/ We just need to get him some of this undetectable stickum they use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Team speed is what Al Davis became obsessed with. You can't teach speed, but as we've seen - you can't teach hands either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Team speed is what Al Davis became obsessed with. You can't teach speed, but as we've seen - you can't teach hands either. I think that depends on what the problem is. If it's coordination - eyes/hands, true. If it's technique, not true. Jerry Rice says he practiced for hours to learn to be great at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Something I forgot to add. We forget (myself included) that Hue was not in charge of Cincy's Draft. Doubtless he had input, but he was the OC, not the GM or HC. He still may not have total say, but I would think he has a whole lot more input than he had at Cincy. I had heard and thought that Treadwell was going to be their target, but I didn't take into account that Hue likes Team Speed. I think Coleman reflects this, and may be an indicator of the types of players Hue is going to focus on. Addendum: Hadn't seen this posted - http://fanpass.nfl.com/story/831/draft-diary-corey-coleman-is-cleveland-s-guy Man, that video is inspiring - hadn't seen that one !!! This kid is a winner pick ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 CC is a blue chip. I'm excited! I can't imagine the Havoc if Gordon gets reinstated... RG3, Gordon and Coleman= nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 CC is a blue chip. I'm excited! I can't imagine the Havoc if Gordon gets reinstated... RG3, Gordon and Coleman= nasty. and if we can snag Braxton in the 3 with one of our picks and develope him, we will have some damn good play makers in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Can't forget Pryor. I have that feeling about him wanting to be apart of what could be a solid set of receivers. He's putting in the work to be great, without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 video of the call to let CC know he has been drafted. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/New-Browns-WR-Corey-Coleman-Hue-Jackson-has-a-plan-for-me/cf0acf23-8ce3-44fa-94f3-0810eb1742d8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 The guys forearms are bigger than Benji's thighs... I still ain't seeing the similarities some of you guys are trying to push... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Similar roles, not players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Visual of CC's route tree at Baylor... Browns make a refreshing first pick in their new analytics era By Matt Harmon April 29 at 1:33 PM Not a single out route... curious... Full article here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2016/04/29/browns-make-a-refreshing-first-pick-in-their-new-analytics-era/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8eBjvefguM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Is it a whine to wonder if he is a #1 WR? Is so, then I'm a whiner. What I see is a Benji replacement with a couple more branches on his rookie route tree and an interest in fighting for a ball. Not nothing, but not a #1. Don't forget the drops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Got nothing on "yards per route"... is that even a thing? From PFF's Round One Grades... 15. Cleveland Browns: Corey Coleman | Grade: A (Pick acquired in trade with Tennessee Titans) Our top receiver is off the board as Corey Coleman goes to Cleveland. Hes dynamic both before and after the catch, capable of separating as well as any receiver in the draft and then taking it to the house after he catches it. Coleman posted a ridiculous 4.88 yards per route (best in the nation) before a poor quarterback situation hurt his production. His 10 drops are cause for some concern, but not nearly enough to offset what he brings to the table as both a short and deep threat. Even with his limited experience running a number of routes in Baylors offense, Coleman has all of the skills to separate on any type of route once he transitions to the NFL. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/04/28/draft-2016-nfl-draft-pick-by-pick-grades-and-analysis-of-round-1-2/ Unfortunately we have a poor quarterback situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8eBjvefguM I remember the JFF youtube highlights. Means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 I remember the JFF youtube highlights. Means nothing. Really... even vs. on-field performance? Unfortunately we have a poor quarterback situation Not anymore... "Cody Kessler to the res-cue... Go Cody Kesller, GoCody Kessler..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Tour's drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Visual of CC's route tree at Baylor... Browns make a refreshing first pick in their new analytics era By Matt Harmon April 29 at 1:33 PM Not a single out route... curious... Full article here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2016/04/29/browns-make-a-refreshing-first-pick-in-their-new-analytics-era/ I've had plenty of people telling me he's going to the slot. Wrongo.... That's why I was interested in Braxton earlier. He's a straight line burner that uses his speed to threaten deep and when the CB backs off they toss him a slant or curl. Seriously, go check out the WVU tape and others I saw. He dropped one slant, they went right back to him again on 2 more consecutive slants. As for why you don't see the 5, 6 or 7 with Corey is because it takes away his greatest attribute - YAC. It gives no benefit to Briles if his fastest weapon isn't pointed back into the interior of the field. Get him on a slant or screen and he's easily in space. Get him on the fly? Cool.. he'll roast a CB that doesn't have help. The curl is the counter. Everything else? Not necessary at Baylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Unfortunately.... no... Just a song in my heart... not a care in the world... (also not high... dammit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 As for why you don't see the 5, 6 or 7 with Corey is because it takes away his greatest attribute - YAC. Also not exactly the "go to" hands on 3rd and 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 I wanted it noted somewhere in some tread I had Cody Kessler & a lot of his whiskey would be needed when we had to watch him.. Sorry T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Also not exactly the "go to" hands on 3rd and 5? He might be like Steve Smith physically, but Smitty could catch a bb in the dark. This kid ain't that. Not to say he's Greg Little either. He isn't the best pair of hands on this team, I don't know enough about Baylor's skill players to comment on his college team either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 CC's hands measured at the dreaded 9.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 CC's hands measured at the dreaded 9.... Handsize might be an issue. CC doesn't always catch the ball away from his body. The two most important things to me that any (good) receiver should have before I draft them are lights out hands, and good footwork. He needs serious improvement on both of those before he's a starter. As its stands he's relied on scheme and straight line speed. Which brings me back to the receiver I wanted that doesn't possess either issue. Oh and if I hear the "zomg 20 touchdowns" thing again... People truly need to understand that if there is a decent receiver in Baylor's offense, they'll get double digit TD's without too much trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 I see him as picking up where Benji left off. Filling our deep threat, stretch the D role with an incomplete route tree and the odd drop here and there. However, CC is offering more upside... I think Benji maxxed out last season. Agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 I see him as picking up where Benji left off. Filling our deep threat, stretch the D role with an incomplete route tree and the odd drop here and there. However, CC is offering more upside... I think Benji maxxed out last season. Agree? Much more upside. Agree completely. edit: I would be lying if I said I would have spent a 15 pick on that type of role/player. This is a vision Shashi and this coaching staff has for this kid. If you want a good glimpse of how long this coaching staff and Mr Brown might last, CC's development arch and contributions might give us an indication whether or not this is the long haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Oh and if I hear the "zomg 20 touchdowns" thing again... People truly need to understand that if there is a decent receiver in Baylor's offense, they'll get double digit TD's without too much trouble. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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