Pumpkin Eater Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 While crying about guns, which kills far fewer people annually than drugs do. What a piece of shit. A real sack of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I keep asking - how can liberals justify this, and why do they think he's doing it? It is dangerous, very dangerous, and contributes to serious problems down the road. WHY would Obamao cause serious problems........ WHY ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Suppose someone is given 25 to life in prison for a crime they committed a while back. Today, they're 15 years in to the sentence, but the maximum sentence has been reduced for legitimate reasons that everyone agrees with, and it's now only up to 5 years, for example. How should those sentenced under the old laws be treated? Forget about whether it's drug dealers, or bank robbers, or people smuggling non-FDA medicine in from Canada to save the life of their dying child, forget the crime. General terms, how should it go down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 they committed the crime with the larger penalty in prison in place for a long time. do the time - they were willing to chance it. Doesn't sound all that "unfair" to me. Sounds like giving prisoners freed the...right to vote in this next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Suppose someone is given 25 to life in prison for a crime they committed a while back. Today, they're 15 years in to the sentence, but the maximum sentence has been reduced for legitimate reasons that everyone agrees with, and it's now only up to 5 years, for example. How should those sentenced under the old laws be treated? Forget about whether it's drug dealers, or bank robbers, or people smuggling non-FDA medicine in from Canada to save the life of their dying child, forget the crime. General terms, how should it go down? If the death penalty is repealed must we pay restitution to the families of murderers who've already been executed? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Suppose someone is given 25 to life in prison for a crime they committed a while back. Today, they're 15 years in to the sentence, but the maximum sentence has been reduced for legitimate reasons that everyone agrees with, and it's now only up to 5 years, for example. How should those sentenced under the old laws be treated? Forget about whether it's drug dealers, or bank robbers, or people smuggling non-FDA medicine in from Canada to save the life of their dying child, forget the crime. General terms, how should it go down? If you break the law at a certain time then you should face down the punishment that was mandatory at the time of the law being broken. I could see if the law was completely repealed (ex: marijuana legalization). But if the law only lowers the previous punishment then tough luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 While crying about guns, which kills far fewer people annually than drugs do. What a piece of shit. A real sack of shit. I agree. We have too many alcohol related deaths in this country. Ban it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I keep asking - how can liberals justify this, and why do they think he's doing it? It is dangerous, very dangerous, and contributes to serious problems down the road. WHY would Obamao cause serious problems........ WHY ? I wish I had an answer. He's evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but has anything changed in the last few weeks since the last time we went over this? These are still non violent drug offenders right? And just cause you were caught with a gun doesn't mean you're a violent offender. You have to actually use the gun for that occur. Otherwise all people that have guns for any reason whatsoever are "violent" offenders and we all know what road that's going down right? You gun advocates can see that trap right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 http://conservative-daily.com/2014/04/22/barack-obama-letting-felons-out-of-prison/ As you might remember, Eric Holder came out a few months ago and announced that it was time to restore voting rights for felons. In these cases, he argued, the punishment of disenfranchisement didn’t fit the crime of drug sale/possession. This is how the Democrat party does business. They target a certain voting block and they give away benefits in order to buy votes. The result is a whole new class of voters who will owe a debt of gratitude to the Democrat Party for the rest of their lives. The Democrats did this with the labor unions and they are trying to accomplish this with illegal aliens. Hell, two months ago the Obama administration opened up the U.S. to so-called “non-violent terrorists.” Now, the Obama administration is targeting convicted felons. The President and his administration should, on a case by case basis, analyze these applications and determine whether these people deserve clemency. But that’s not what a blanket pardon is. Now, don’t get me wrong. There are certainly people in prison for first-time drug offenses who should probably be granted mercy. I have heard horror stories of teenagers sentenced to life in prison for first time drug offenses. But I have also heard stories of violent offenders who, as part of a plea deal, pled guilty to lesser, non-violent crimes. Anyone who understands how our justice system works knows that this is commonplace. It is not uncommon for violent offenders and drug dealers to plead down to lesser crimes like felony possession. It shouldn’t be like this, but that is how our criminal justice system unfortunately works. By using a blanket pardon, Barack Obama is poised to inadvertently release hundreds, if not thousands, of violent felons from prison. All in the name of “fairness.” This cannot be allowed to happen! The Obama administration is going to fast-track applications for clemency and plans to release felons from prison all in one fell swoop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 As you might remember, Eric Holder came out a few months ago and announced that it was time to restore voting rights for felons. ********************************************** Exactly what I've said. Political power - more of it, as much and as fast as possible. Trolling for votes that will vote...for the dems. That is what is behind all the illegal immigration... etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Nobody should have an issue with voting rights for people who have served their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 you want to give them back their right to bear arms then??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 you want to give them back their right to bear arms then??? Depends, I suppose, if they have been in jail for shootings, probably not, otherwise sure, why would they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Not that anybody actually asked my opinion but I figure if something is decriminalized and somebody is serving a huge sentence, I've got no problem with reevaluating the case. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 you want to give them back their right to bear arms then??? It should be up for debate. If you committed your crime and served your punishment, wouldn't revoking someone's basic rights (voting, to bear arms) just be an extension of that punishment until they died? I am not real keen on letting felons vote or own firearms legally but we can't pretend like we don't make punishments last far beyond time served. Not being able to have access to proper self defense or vote on issues in which you pay taxes for sounds like penalties to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 true - it needs to be by a case-by-case basis. Not an idealogical across the board hit on the legal process. The problem is, ending up right back in prison, and having their rights returned to them after the first time. That percentage ranges in estimation from 52 to 66 percent. that's pretty risky for a society to handle, I think, blanket releases-speaking wise. http://www.nij.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism/Pages/welcome.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 true - it needs to be by a case-by-case basis. Not an idealogical across the board hit on the legal process. The problem is, ending up right back in prison, and having their rights returned to them after the first time. That percentage ranges in estimation from 52 to 66 percent. that's pretty risky for a society to handle, I think, blanket releases-speaking wise. http://www.nij.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism/Pages/welcome.aspx Yeah it is a risky thing. That is why I am on the fence. I see why somebody deserves to have their rights returned but I also so why we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I am not up on the ins and outs of getting rights returned. There may be a process by which a reformed person (not breaking the law for X amount of time after release) gets a chance to have their right to vote/bear arms reviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I guess only a few states allow for it. If you don't commit another crime for five years after your release, you are free to own a firearm in Texas. Edit: You can also vote as soon as your probation ends post-release from prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 No. Drug dealers are even bigger scumbags than Obummao. They can rot in prison for all I care. Obummao pretends to care about our children but then lets drug dealing scumbags out of prison. Who gives a shit if they are non-violent offenders? They were on the streets pushing their poison and that's just as bad as a violent crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Not that anybody actually asked my opinion but I figure if something is decriminalized and somebody is serving a huge sentence, I've got no problem with reevaluating the case. WSS Steve, I think you're being too reasonable here. This IS Obamao we're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 While crying about guns, which kills far fewer people annually than drugs do. You sure about that? You might want to dig through some CDC data before making claims like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 CDC says 1 in 5 tobacco caused. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/drug-overdose-deaths_n_3843690.html There woodpecker. It's even from a libdiot favorite source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Without digging into those numbers more right now, are you saying 33.7k is "far fewer" than 38.3k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Without digging into those numbers more right now, are you saying 33.7k is "far fewer" than 38.3k? Semantics. His point remains - drugs kill in the same order of magnitude as guns and Obama is allowing them back on the street. Go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 I wish they would've let me out early. Federal time is federal time. No day for day bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Those drug stats are outdated. Last report for 2014 had it topping out at 47k deaths. http://www.newsweek.com/drug-overdose-death-rate-all-time-high-cdc-report-407376 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Where is the confusion here? More drug addicts = more Democrat votes. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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