calfoxwc Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 you betcha. It will be fewer jobs, especially for retirees and special education students/physically handicapped. Companies will go with kiosks http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/13/report-wendys-to-roll-out-self-serve-kiosks-by-end-of-2016-as-wage-increases-squeeze-fast-food-companies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 We should raise the minimum wage. And this is just a consequence of innovation. We were working our way to increased automation regardless of the hourly wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 raising it so much? makes innovation cost-effective. You don't know how many programs there are where companies hire the learning and physically disabled. Raise it that much - and either there's fewer employees....or prices skyrocket until innovation replaces employees entirely. this marxist gov has it's nose out of joint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 We should raise the minimum wage. And this is just a consequence of innovation. We were working our way to increased automation regardless of the hourly wage Not entirely dissimilar to your idea of making it so expensive to use fossil fuels that people were forced to consider alternative energy. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 The min wage should be variable based on the type of company you work for. A locally owned coffee shop should not be held to the wages of a starbucks, but nor should starbucks get awsy with paying wages on par with a struggling local shop. Im just using starbucks as an example cause i think they do pay more. You guys what im saying. Its a fair compromise. As your business grows you should be obligated to chip off some to those that helped you grow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I make 10.20 an hour as an assistant manager at Rally's. It's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 The min wage should be variable based on the type of company you work for. A locally owned coffee shop should not be held to the wages of a starbucks, but nor should starbucks get awsy with paying wages on par with a struggling local shop. Im just using starbucks as an example cause i think they do pay more. You guys what im saying. Its a fair compromise. As your business grows you should be obligated to chip off some to those that helped you grow it.Yep I agree with you again. Any other way it's going to put the small business owner out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 The min wage should be variable based on the type of company you work for. A locally owned coffee shop should not be held to the wages of a starbucks, but nor should starbucks get awsy with paying wages on par with a struggling local shop. Im just using starbucks as an example cause i think they do pay more. You guys what im saying. Its a fair compromise. As your business grows you should be obligated to chip off some to those that helped you grow it.Well first I don't think there should probably be a minimum wage, business needs decent people to work there and they don't pay that semi or unskilled labor will go to somebody who does. But if there is one considered that 15 bucks an hour is great in Carrollton Ohio and shit in New York City. As far as the local coffee shop the owner probably works there every day. Why should he pay less than Starbucks for labor? His expenses are probably less to begin with. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Well first I don't think there should probably be a minimum wage, business needs decent people to work there and they don't pay that semi or unskilled labor will go to somebody who does. Free market theory thats been proven false every time. As evidenced by a workers in a city/town where the main companies left ro go overseas......those workers were never soaked up by someone else. Pure ayn randian drivel. Why else are republicans trying to make coal a big campaign issue? They know those workers are fucked if coal goes away and those are teeasured conservative voters. Its pure pie in the sky theory that if you dont like your job or you're being treated like shit that you can just quit and have another job shortly. That kind of economy has never existed in all of time, but listen to free market shills and honks long enough you hear shit like how dare we force business's to provide time for lunch, if the greedy lazy proletariat want 30 minutes for lunch they should go find another company that will allow that. The amount of things inherently wrong with that philosophy is too much to go into Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Free market theory thats been proven false every time. As evidenced by a workers in a city/town where the main companies left ro go overseas......those workers were never soaked up by someone else. Pure ayn randian drivel. Why else are republicans trying to make coal a big campaign issue? They know those workers are fucked if coal goes away and those are teeasured conservative voters. Cleve ************************************** Oh, baloney. Companies went overseas because of BIG GOV HIGH TAXATION. What are you smoking, whacky-tobaccy? Read some news - higgardly has po'd all the coal workeres by saying they'd lose their jobs, because of "mmgw". And Obamao has declared obamaowar on coal, too. It's demoquacks that have made coal a political issue, and alienated coal workers and everyone who knows them. I don't know how you can go all bonkers on the wrong side of the tracks just because you heard a bird whistling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Free market theory thats been proven false every time. As evidenced by a workers in a city/town where the main companies left ro go overseas......those workers were never soaked up by someone else. Pure ayn randian drivel. Why else are republicans trying to make coal a big campaign issue? They know those workers are fucked if coal goes away and those are teeasured conservative voters. Cleve ************************************** Oh, baloney. Companies went overseas because of BIG GOV HIGH TAXATION. What are you smoking, whacky-tobaccy? Read some news - higgardly has po'd all the coal workeres by saying they'd lose their jobs, because of "mmgw". And Obamao has declared obamaowar on coal, too. It's demoquacks that have made coal a political issue, and alienated coal workers and everyone who knows them. I don't know how you can go all bonkers on the wrong side of the tracks just because you heard a bird whistling. Yeah, the ability to cut paying wages to about 5% of something livable for Americans wasn't tempting, I'm sure. Also, the concept of removing minimum wage because companies will then get this influx of talent from rival business whom pay less (because of greater 'skills') is trash. I once heard someone make mention that business' will compete for workers under that system thus making minimum wage a thing of the past. I laughed pretty hard - Because we all know there hasn't been price fixing by competitive companies in any market before :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Free market theory thats been proven false every time. As evidenced by a workers in a city/town where the main companies left ro go overseas......those workers were never soaked up by someone else. Pure ayn randian drivel. Why else are republicans trying to make coal a big campaign issue? They know those workers are fucked if coal goes away and those are teeasured conservative voters. Cleve ************************************** Oh, baloney. Companies went overseas because of BIG GOV HIGH TAXATION. What are you smoking, whacky-tobaccy? Read some news - higgardly has po'd all the coal workeres by saying they'd lose their jobs, because of "mmgw". And Obamao has declared obamaowar on coal, too. It's demoquacks that have made coal a political issue, and alienated coal workers and everyone who knows them. I don't know how you can go all bonkers on the wrong side of the tracks just because you heard a bird whistling. Cal go back and read what i posted....the reason "why"!companies left was irrelevant to my point about how workers arent magically soaked up by the free market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 First of all that free market you speak of has never been tested in modern-day United States. Second if you have a shitty job and you're treated like crap and you are a good employee you could get another one. If you are a lazy turd that they aren't allowed to fire and are forced to pay 15 bucks an hour everybody suffers. Third Republicans support the coal industry because it's just that, and Industry. It employs and is responsible for the livelihoods of many people in coal producing states. The Democrats don't give a fuck because they expect those people to vote conservatively. I don't actually know of any shitty jobs these days that pay minimum wage not even around here where wages are lower than many large cities. Even fast food is paying eight nine or ten dollars an hour. Even the dregs of society unable to do any but the most menial tasks need to prove themselves to improve their lives. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 First of all that free market you speak of has never been tested in modern-day United States. WSS On the level we're speaking of it most certainly has. Otherwise there would never have been private sector employment ever, anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 On the level we're speaking of it most certainly has. Otherwise there would never have been private sector employment ever, anywhere. Where and when? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Just an FYI the minimum wage was started during the Depression. Hardly necessary now. Wasn't even necessary then because nothing we did worked except blow the shit out of the industrial Giants in Europe. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 . Second if you have a shitty job and you're treated like crap and you are a good employee you could get another one. WSS In theory. In reality it almist never happens that way. This is why you dont let companies do absolutely anything they wish within a society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Where and when? WSS The better question is how do you think it hasnt? We might be talking past each orher here so lemme ask you to clarify before we move on. As it pertains to the labor market, why di you think its not been "capitslist"? Is the private sector not in fact our countries biggest employment pool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 $15.00 an hour for working in a burger joint is nuts. Fuck them slugs. Get an education or learn a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 $15.00 an hour for working in a burger joint is nuts. Fuck them slugs. Get an education or learn a trade. You start to see what the germans in the 40's were going on about. Like maybe herr sanchez wasnt so crazy afterall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 If min. wage goes up to $15 an hr what about the people that are making $15 an hr now? Does everyone get a raise or just the ones who can't hold own a job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 If min. wage goes up to $15 an hr what about the people that are making $15 an hr now? Does everyone get a raise or just the ones who can't hold own a job? It wont pass nationwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 If min. wage goes up to $15 an hr what about the people that are making $15 an hr now? Does everyone get a raise or just the ones who can't hold own a job? Ironically some union members are in favor of raising the minimum wage because some of the teamster contracts require that whatever they make must be x amount of dollars above the minimum wage. Or at least that was the case at one time. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Not entirely dissimilar to your idea of making it so expensive to use fossil fuels that people were forced to consider alternative energy. WSS Not exactly what I was saying, but its closer than you usually get. I guess I should be happy with it. We're going to move on from fossil fuels eventually. Leaving it purely up to the free market could easily put us in a dangerous situation. I think increased regulation/taxes could drive the inevitable change to alternative energy more quickly, and before too much damage is done. That doesn't mean making gas $5 a gallon and making everyone get electric cars tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Actually, the free market would drive R&D in alternative fuel sources. Gov interference just makes a lot of money for liberal causes and... redistribution of wealth. Can't legislate innovation. A company that could invest and develop a new source of fuel... would make billions. You can't just invent something that hasn't been invented yet, and may never be possible. Conductive polymers came about without any big liberal gov high taxes and fines and fees. Innovation happens when it happens after it's proven to be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Actually, the free market would drive R&D in alternative fuel sources. Gov interference just makes a lot of money for liberal causes and... redistribution of wealth. Can't legislate innovation. A company that could invest and develop a new source of fuel... would make billions. You can't just invent something that hasn't been invented yet, and may never be possible. Conductive polymers came about without any big liberal gov high taxes and fines and fees. Innovation happens when it happens after it's proven to be possible. Theres actually anacdotal evidence that some promising alt fuel ideas got squelched with hrlp from our govt and other govts abroad. A decentralized energy infrastructure is more dangerous to their control than even the decentralization of the food chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Theres actually anacdotal evidence that some promising alt fuel ideas got squelched with hrlp from our govt and other govts abroad. A decentralized energy infrastructure is more dangerous to their control than even the decentralization of the food chain I hear the guy that invented a 100 miles a gallon carburetor is locked in a dungeon underneath the Ford Motor Company. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 ah...don't get me going on the mass production of food again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 .....oh god here we go here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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