Sunday Question

[calfoxwc]

http://www.jasonstaples.com/bible/misinterpreted/misinterpreted-bible-passages-3-judge-not-lest-you-be-judged/

 

so, a homo should not judge another homo as being in sin, lest he also

be judged as such.

 

More British fog, I take it?

[OldBrownsFan]

Because the bible may say that homosexuality is a sin, but also that we are not in a position to judge, and that we should love people regardless of their sins?

 

Probably one of the bigger myths of Christianity is that we are not supposed to judge. We are to judge and the only caution Jesus says is to be very careful in making judgments because many times we don't have all the facts.

 

You are right we are to love the sinner and hate the sin though. My wife and I have a good friend who is gay. We have always shown her love but she knows we can never condone her lifestyle.

[StinkHole]

 

Probably one of the bigger myths of Christianity is that we are not supposed to judge. We are to judge and the only caution Jesus says is to be very careful in making judgments because many times we don't have all the facts.

 

You are right we are to love the sinner and hate the sin though. My wife and I have a good friend who is gay. We have always shown her love but she knows we can never condone her lifestyle.

 

Stuart

 

This has to be repeated over and over and over to these damned liberals and they still cant get it.

 

It is so much easier for them to accuse you of being a hater because it makes them feel holier than thou.

 

I don't hate gays, blacks, Hispanics, women...I hate liberals. Sorry.

[gftChris]

 

Probably one of the bigger myths of Christianity is that we are not supposed to judge. We are to judge and the only caution Jesus says is to be very careful in making judgments because many times we don't have all the facts.

 

You are right we are to love the sinner and hate the sin though. My wife and I have a good friend who is gay. We have always shown her love but she knows we can never condone her lifestyle.

Are you not condoning it by being friends with her? Should you not shun her?

[MLD Woody]

Only parts of that book though

[OldBrownsFan]

Are you not condoning it by being friends with her? Should you not shun her?

 

Did Jesus shun sinners? No he reached out to them but he didn't condone sin. Even the woman caught in adultery and forgave her he told her to go and sin no more.

[VaporTrail]

 

Did Jesus shun sinners? No he reached out to them but he didn't condone sin. Even the woman caught in adultery and forgave her he told her to go and sin no more.

 

I prefer the Old Testament God of Heavy Metal. You dissed my homies? Have a whole plague on your country. Doubt me? Pillar of salt.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

The Second Coming of the Lord and the Last Judgment

by Father William Saunders

As Catholics, we are mindful and profess in our Creed that Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead. The Second Vatican Council's "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church" states, "Already the final age of the world is with us and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real though imperfect" (No. 48). To try to grasp the when, what and how of this Second Coming and last judgment, we really need to glean the various passages in Sacred Scripture to see how our Church has interpreted them. They are united in one drama.

Our Lord in the Gospel spoke of His second coming. He indicated that various signs would mark the event. Mankind would suffer from famine, pestilence and natural disasters. False prophets who claim to be the Messiah will deceive and mislead people. Nations will wage war against each other. The Church will endure persecution. Worse yet, the faith of many will grow cold and they will abandon the faith, even betraying and hating one another. (Confer Mt. 24:4-14; Lk 17:22-37) St. Paul describes a "mass apostasy" before the Second Coming, which will be led by the "son of perdition," the "Man of Lawlessness," the "adversary who exalts himself above every so-called god proposed for worship." This "lawless one" is part of the work of Satan, and with power, signs, wonders and seductions will bring to ruin those who have turned from the truth. However, "the Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and annihilate him by manifesting His own presence." (Cf. 2 Thes 2:3-12) The Catechism affirms, "God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the last judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world" (No. 667). Our Lord will come suddenly. "The Son of Man in His day will be like the lightening that flashes from one end of the sky to the other" (Lk 17:24). St. Peter predicts, "The day of the Lord will come like a thief and on that day the heavens will vanish with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire and the earth and all its deeds will be made manifest" (2 Pt 3:10).

Death will be no more. The dead shall rise and those souls who have died will be united again to their bodies. All will have a glorious, transformed, spiritualized body as St. Paul said, "He will give a new form to this lowly body of ours and remake it according to the pattern of His glorified body..." (Phil 3:21).

At this time, the final, or general judgment will occur. Jesus said, "Those who have done right shall rise to life; the evildoers shall rise to be damned" (Jn 5:29). Our Lord described this judgment as follows: "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, escorted by all the angels of heaven, He will sit upon His royal throne and all the nations will be assembled before Him. Then He will separate them into two groups, as a shepherd separated sheep from goats" (Mt 25:31-32).

Here each person will have to account for his conduct and the deepest secrets of his soul will come to light. How well each person has responded to the prompting of God's grace will be made clear. Our attitude and actions toward our neighbor will reflect how well we have loved our Lord. "As often as you did it for one of My least brothers, you did it for Me" (Mt 25:41).

Our Lord will judge us accordingly. For those who have died and already have faced the particular judgment, their judgment will stand. Those living at the time of the Second Coming will receive judgment. Those who have rejected the Lord in this life, who have sinned mortally,, who have no remorse for sin and do not seek forgiveness, will have condemned themselves to hell for all eternity. "By rejecting grace in this life, one already judges oneself, receives according to one's works and can even condemn oneself for all eternity by rejecting the Spirit of love (Catechism, No. 678). The souls of the righteous will enter heavenly glory and enjoy the beatific vision and those who need purification will undergo it.

We do not know when the Second Coming will occur. Jesus said, "As to the exact day or hour, no one knows it, neither the angels in heaven nor even the Son, but only the Father. Be constantly on the watch! Stay awake! You do not know when the appointed time will come" (Mk 13:32-33).

 

[OldBrownsFan]

 

I prefer the Old Testament God of Heavy Metal. You dissed my homies? Have a whole plague on your country. Doubt me? Pillar of salt.

 

The Old Covenant was a harsh covenant. Israel came into covenant relationship with Jehovah that gave them the status of servants. They were governed under the rigid law. That covenant only proved that no human being could keep the law and the need for a better covenant. The new covenant is a much more forgiving one of grace that was bought and paid for by Jesus's sacrifice on the cross. This covenant elevates the status of believers to children of God, not mere servants. It is a much better covenant with a much better sacrifice.

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The Second Coming of the Lord and the Last Judgment

by Father William Saunders

As Catholics, we are mindful and profess in our Creed that Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead. The Second Vatican Council's "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church" states, "Already the final age of the world is with us and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real though imperfect" (No. 48). To try to grasp the when, what and how of this Second Coming and last judgment, we really need to glean the various passages in Sacred Scripture to see how our Church has interpreted them. They are united in one drama.

Our Lord in the Gospel spoke of His second coming. He indicated that various signs would mark the event. Mankind would suffer from famine, pestilence and natural disasters. False prophets who claim to be the Messiah will deceive and mislead people. Nations will wage war against each other. The Church will endure persecution. Worse yet, the faith of many will grow cold and they will abandon the faith, even betraying and hating one another. (Confer Mt. 24:4-14; Lk 17:22-37) St. Paul describes a "mass apostasy" before the Second Coming, which will be led by the "son of perdition," the "Man of Lawlessness," the "adversary who exalts himself above every so-called god proposed for worship." This "lawless one" is part of the work of Satan, and with power, signs, wonders and seductions will bring to ruin those who have turned from the truth. However, "the Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and annihilate him by manifesting His own presence." (Cf. 2 Thes 2:3-12) The Catechism affirms, "God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the last judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world" (No. 667). Our Lord will come suddenly. "The Son of Man in His day will be like the lightening that flashes from one end of the sky to the other" (Lk 17:24). St. Peter predicts, "The day of the Lord will come like a thief and on that day the heavens will vanish with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire and the earth and all its deeds will be made manifest" (2 Pt 3:10).

Death will be no more. The dead shall rise and those souls who have died will be united again to their bodies. All will have a glorious, transformed, spiritualized body as St. Paul said, "He will give a new form to this lowly body of ours and remake it according to the pattern of His glorified body..." (Phil 3:21).

At this time, the final, or general judgment will occur. Jesus said, "Those who have done right shall rise to life; the evildoers shall rise to be damned" (Jn 5:29). Our Lord described this judgment as follows: "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, escorted by all the angels of heaven, He will sit upon His royal throne and all the nations will be assembled before Him. Then He will separate them into two groups, as a shepherd separated sheep from goats" (Mt 25:31-32).

Here each person will have to account for his conduct and the deepest secrets of his soul will come to light. How well each person has responded to the prompting of God's grace will be made clear. Our attitude and actions toward our neighbor will reflect how well we have loved our Lord. "As often as you did it for one of My least brothers, you did it for Me" (Mt 25:41).

Our Lord will judge us accordingly. For those who have died and already have faced the particular judgment, their judgment will stand. Those living at the time of the Second Coming will receive judgment. Those who have rejected the Lord in this life, who have sinned mortally,, who have no remorse for sin and do not seek forgiveness, will have condemned themselves to hell for all eternity. "By rejecting grace in this life, one already judges oneself, receives according to one's works and can even condemn oneself for all eternity by rejecting the Spirit of love (Catechism, No. 678). The souls of the righteous will enter heavenly glory and enjoy the beatific vision and those who need purification will undergo it.

We do not know when the Second Coming will occur. Jesus said, "As to the exact day or hour, no one knows it, neither the angels in heaven nor even the Son, but only the Father. Be constantly on the watch! Stay awake! You do not know when the appointed time will come" (Mk 13:32-33).

 

 

If any Christians are persecuted it's the Johavas Witness. Doors slammed in their faces, laughed and mocked, no respect and all they want to do is spread the word.

[VaporTrail]

If any Christians are persecuted it's the Johavas Witness. Doors slammed in their faces, laughed and mocked, no respect and all they want to do is spread the word.

 

Their beliefs are worthy of ridicule.

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Their beliefs are worthy of ridicule.

Exactly you just made my point. What beliefs? It's ok for everyone but theirs?

[VaporTrail]

Exactly you just made my point. What beliefs? It's ok for everyone but theirs?

 

No blood transfusions. Idiotic and frustrating.

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No blood transfusions. Idiotic and frustrating.

Although my upbringing was Baptist my grandparents were Jahovas Witness. I've seen it all. Some tid bits..

 

No sex unless to bear a child

No rock n roll music

No holidays including B Days and X mas

 

My uncle had a nervous breakdown in '81. My bro and I spent the summer with the grandparents and my bro had a Joan Jett and the Blackhearts record. He couldn't find it and ask g ma. She put it out in the garage so the demons in the record wouldn't get to Uncle Bill. Lol!

 

G ma was a good cook though.

[gftChris]

So JWs are persecuted because people close the door on them when they go to peoples houses trying to get them to convert to their religion? Nah, not buying it.

[StinkHole]

If any Christians are persecuted it's the Johavas Witness. Doors slammed in their faces, laughed and mocked, no respect and all they want to do is spread the word.

 

Stuart

 

Bullshit. You seem not to know the difference between being persecuted and having contempt for. They know what they're getting into by knocking on peoples doors.

I slam the door in their faces as well.

 

Mormons are another group that people do not look favorably upon.

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Stuart

 

Bullshit. You seem not to know the difference between being persecuted and having contempt for. They know what they're getting into by knocking on peoples doors.

I slam the door in their faces as well.

 

Mormons are another group that people do not look favorably upon.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/persecution

 

Any lowbrow knows what it means come on Stuey.

[OldBrownsFan]

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/persecution

 

Any lowbrow knows what it means come on Stuey.

 

I don't know if I would call it persecution any more than how a Kirby vacuum salesman gets treated when they knock on doors.

 

Sometimes when pesky salesman come to the door it takes firm, tough and decisive resolve from the homeowner to shoo them away so when i see them at the door I call for Mrs. OBF

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I don't know if I would call it persecution any more than how a Kirby vacuum salesman gets treated when they knock on doors.

 

Sometimes when pesky salesman come to the door it takes firm, tough and decisive resolve from the homeowner to shoo them away so when i see them at the door I call for Mrs. OBF

Fishers of men OBF. You have to admit they're solid commitment along with sticking to their beliefs even if you don't agree.

 

My grandmother was a devout Jahovas Witness. To say she's burning in hell is completely wrong if her intentions are true. Im not saying you think this or have said it but many other denominations feel this way. Is it better to be at a Baptist church on Sunday or be a Christian all week long?

 

I was talking to her one day and what she asked me I still remember..."do you believe Jesus is Gods son, if you do then both of us agree"

[OldBrownsFan]

Fishers of men OBF. You have to admit they're solid commitment along with sticking to their beliefs even if you don't agree.

 

My grandmother was a devout Jahovas Witness. To say she's burning in hell is completely wrong if her intentions are true. Im not saying you think this or have said it but many other denominations feel this way. Is it better to be at a Baptist church on Sunday or be a Christian all week long?

 

The motivation for Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door are wrong though. They do it out of fear. They believe they have to do good works like this to make it to the new heaven and new earth.

 

They are listed among the cults because they don't believe in some fundamental Christian beliefs :

 

Jehovah's Witnesses Beliefs Compared to Christianity

http://www.godandscience.org/cults/jwdiff.html

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The motivation for Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door are wrong though. They do it out of fear. They believe they have to do good works like this to make it to the new heaven and new earth.

 

They are listed among the cults because they don't believe in some fundamental Christian beliefs :

 

 

Jehovah's Witnesses Beliefs Compared to Christianity

http://www.godandscience.org/cults/jwdiff.html

Yes it is an agnostic approach. Personally I believe if you're a good person you will go to a better place. The denominations are based on what a person wants to do and get away with. It's personal conviction and I feel that a person shouldn't have to go through steps to accept Christ. I'm quite sure you're in tune with the road to Romans. Ask someone to come into my heart? I'm sorry but that's just corny as well as the Jahovas Witness.

 

Would Jesus shun a Jahovas Witness if they knocked on his door? I don't think so and being Christian is "Christlike"

[OldBrownsFan]

Yes it is an agnostic approach. Personally I believe if you're a good person you will go to a better place. The denominations are based on what a person wants to do and get away with. It's personal conviction and I feel that a person shouldn't have to go through steps to accept Christ. I'm quite sure you're in tune with the road to Romans. Ask someone to come into my heart? I'm sorry but that's just corny as well as the Jahovas Witness.

 

Would Jesus shun a Jahovas Witness if they knocked on his door? I don't think so and being Chriatian is "Christlike"

 

Personally I have always been nice to Jehovah's Witness and have spoken with them at lengths at times about the bible.

 

"Ask someone to come into my heart? I'm sorry but that's just corny as well as the Jahovas Witness."

 

This truth is brought out so many times in scriptures. Really if your relationship is one with "speaking to the big man upstairs" you are missing it. Jesus lives His life through believers. He lives in us:

 

8 Verses that Show Jesus Christ Lives in You

http://biblesforamerica.org/8-verses-showing-jesus-lives/

 

Revelation 3:20King James Version (KJV)

²⁰ Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

[Clevfan4life]

Ur savior is a myth boys. A story contrived to convince all of u that u were somehow preternaturally saved in advance if u just took this guys name as ur lord and savior. No different than shit eating muslims who've been brainwashedinto thinking all their shit is excused by allah.

 

Now ask urselves what sort of "presence" wpuld try to get you to abdicate peronal accountability like that?

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Personally I have always been nice to Jehovah's Witness and have spoken with them at lengths at times about the bible.

 

"Ask someone to come into my heart? I'm sorry but that's just corny as well as the Jahovas Witness."

 

This truth is brought out so many times in scriptures. Really if your relationship is one with "speaking to the big man upstairs" you are missing it. Jesus lives His life through believers. He lives in us:

 

8 Verses that Show Jesus Christ Lives in You

http://biblesforamerica.org/8-verses-showing-jesus-lives/

 

Revelation 3:20King James Version (KJV)

²⁰ Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

 

God bless you and you're beliefs.

 

Having such a different religious childhood having to conform so many different ways has led me to believe the way I do. Jesus and I are ok with each other. If my grandmother is burning in hell then I guess everyone needs to reexamine who they are and what sinful nature is. I'm not saying she wasn't a sinner everyone is, just saying somebody is wrong and she was more devout than even the most frequent church goer I've seen. If anyone were to even come close to her in my eyes then they could have a right to change my thoughts.

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Ur savior is a myth boys. A story contrived to convince all of u that u were somehow preternaturally saved in advance if u just took this guys name as ur lord and savior. No different than shit eating muslims who've been brainwashedinto thinking all their shit is excused by allah.

Now ask urselves what sort of "presence" wpuld try to get you to abdicate peronal accountability like that?

Oh my there it is there! Lol. Ya Cleve we've bent to your right to get drunk.

[OldBrownsFan]

Cleve I don't follow myths.

[gftChris]

Cleve I don't follow myths.

Subjective.

[calfoxwc]

and yet again, you can't believe anything different than liberals do,

 

or they often go on the attack. I don't recall Christians of any fashion ridiculing

those who don't believe.

 

It's always the certain non-believers that have a Saturday Night Live moment

whenever the subject is brought up. Too bad.

[Clevfan4life]

I don't recall Christians of any fashion ridiculing

those who don't believe.

.

Christians from where exactly? Cause atheists are constantly ridiculed here, by urself included.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

 

 

Personally I have always been nice to Jehovah's Witness and have spoken with them at lengths at times about the bible.

 

"Ask someone to come into my heart? I'm sorry but that's just corny as well as the Jahovas Witness."

 

This truth is brought out so many times in scriptures. Really if your relationship is one with "speaking to the big man upstairs" you are missing it. Jesus lives His life through believers. He lives in us:

 

8 Verses that Show Jesus Christ Lives in You

http://biblesforamerica.org/8-verses-showing-jesus-lives/

 

Revelation 3:20King James Version (KJV)

²⁰ Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

 

Wherever I was stationed, LA, NY, SD my wife would always make friends with Jehovah's Witness. There were usually Japanese females who were and she would make friends with them. They were all very good and nice people. But I would never become one, my wife either.