Tour2ma Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Ah... so unlike our Cam, Peat is back at his natural position... lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I liked Annette Funicello better. Haley was in some dorkey movies. You take that BACK ! (btw, I owe you a dollar on the bet....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I did not realize you work in the Browns FO... Without endangering your livelihood can you comment further? Is Jimmah's meddling under-reported because it is in areas of no concern? Nope just live local and read a lot. Shaw, triv and Pluto all have discussed haslam's meddling. And if you ever wonder why we never have any depth on the team..... Maybe under acknowledged is a better term than reported. I've come to the conclusion he's a total idiot after the whole flying J investigation. All his execs were robbing the customers outa millions and James had nary a clue. He's driving the car while his ole lady has sex in the backseat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 It's simple enough to get lots of info on the Haslam's and the way they use a hands on approach to running the team. Especially the areas they know little to nothing about. Google it. Simple. Just type in Browns news. And the people reporting it are with the team and in the building routinely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 "You basically have a husband and wife in charge of various areas they don't really understand -- football, coaching, scouting, analytics, ticketing, marketing," a team source said. "And that's the way they want it." Beautiful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder. NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built correctly - we're golden. i'd fire the builder if he didn't cover the house in tyvek. then who cares about rain or shingles? yeah, i've done that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Nope just live local and read a lot. Fair enough... and a better answer than I deserved actually. Thank you... While "Browns News" is a bookmarked google search here, I've not frequented it lately and when I have run it, I've not read every linked story. Luxury of distance I suppose. I do know this though... lack of success creates stress in any organization. And in sports nothing creates stress like a growing "O-fer". And when under stress every employee with a grudge who has a press contact is going to grumble whether it's objectively warranted or not... whether it's about peripheral issues or not. Personally... I'll judge Jimmah (and Dee) this time by the degree to which he (they) has (have) the intestinal fortitude to stay the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 We knew we'd be bad, but probably safe to say we didn't think we'd be THIS bad. Listen, when you're 0-10, things get dicey, ok? It doesn't help that our defense has been SO BAD in just about every single category, ESPECIALLY third down and red zone stuff. We are VERY bad on defense, and lately our offense looks just as bad. We weren't supposed to be good, and guess what? WE AREN'T. These stories are going to come out, and we'll probably get even more as the season draws to an end. Hell, we'll probably have a ton of different sports writers saying how much dissension there is in Cleveland, and blah, blah, blah. We just need to hold strong, nail the upcoming draft, and let the chips fall. Just do yourself to ignore the bullshit, ESPECIALLY from La Canfora. I really hate that guy. If I had to guess, our owner is about to spend some serious money. I don't know who the available free agents are, but you can bet we'll go after an OL, and probably overpay him for his services. Anybody check out which QB's will be free agents? I'm NOT saying I want him, but what is Jay Cutler's status with the Bears? We made a splash with Jamie Collins, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see us try and do it again. You don't want to build your team through free agency, but you can supplement that way. We suck, and we suck bad. Not only that, but things are not getting ANY better...in fact...they are getting much worse. Gone are the days of "fighting very hard, only to lose barely at the end". Now we just get our asses whipped. We played a competitive half against the Ravens last week, but haven't played a full 4 quarters ALL SEASON. Not sure I'd expect us to either. As mad as I am about the state of my favorite team, I realize this year was basically a throw away. We had to clean out the roster, start over with young guys, and build a team from the bottom up. Yes, I'm furious every week. I hate this. But I have faith that we have a vision, and I'm trying like hell to shut my mouth and see how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I don't know who the available free agents are, but you can bet we'll go after an OL, and probably overpay him for his services. Anybody check out which QB's will be free agents? May be better sites, but Over the Cap has a very searchable database for all things FA as well as salary. http://overthecap.com/free-agency/ Cutler is under contract thru 2020, but speculation is he'll be released at the end of the year carrying only $3mm in dead money for the balance of his deal. http://overthecap.com/player/jay-cutler/130/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Great info, Tour! The Cutler reference was only one idea, but I do believe it merits attention. Do I love Cutler? Nope, I think he's a douche bag. He's the classic underachiever. That being said, I DO think Hue Jackson would go after him. Cutler definitely has the ability to push the ball down the field, and if that's what Hue wants, I think he'd be worth a look. Aside from QB, we are desperate for secondary help, and THAT'S where I think we should target the majority of our free agent emphasis. I don't care if we have to overpay for guys...we need help, and fast. We could be ok on the OL if Reiter comes back healthy and really is solid, and don't forget about Bitonio. How would you guys feel about Jay Cutler? hehehehe. I give it about .0000001 % chance in hell...but hey...we gotta talk about SOMETHING, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 There are only 2 ways to look at this season....either its a huge success or its a huge failure.... Camp #1 believes this losing is the plan. We intentionally dumped our talent and are intentionally losing so we can draft high. If this is the case, then our FO has succeeded and the owner should be elated that the FO was so successful in dismantling the team and achieving their goal of the top draft pick. A+ for a pass Camp #2 believes we really wanted win and the FO believed the team would be as good or better(than 2015) with the moves we made and the players & coaches we added. And that there would be measurable progress and growth throughout this season. It was to be a lateral or slightly improved record(Shashi saying 4-5 wins would be a disappointment) and there would be notable rookies showing progress. If THIS was the plan, then our FO has not succeeded and the owner should be disappointed that his new FO & coaching staff have missed their target. F for the fail. So, it really depends on which camp Jimmah is in.....and none of us know that..... I will say that both Sashi AND Hue have said repeatedly that they are in camp #2...... hate to say it but both camp 1 and 2 really suck no matter what camp you are in...first of all, no one should tank a season on purpose..if that is what they are doing, then everyone should get their money back and based on our drafts, they suck anyway...camp 2 there is no growth. i don't see any progression, in fact i see regression as of 10 games in..don't want to hear fucking injury excuses either, that just means our depth stinks. As far as huey goes, he put all his marbles into a fucking gimp qb who i predicted would not make it thru half the season let alone game 1...that started the freefall...and here we are watching another double digit losing season and watching the history of this franchise go under .500...ain't that just wonderful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 How would you guys feel about Jay Cutler? If he was a Garbage Pail Kid, he'd be Locker-Room Cancer Cutler. Keep him far, far away from Cleveland. Because he sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 oh, come on. When you revamp your roster to have players who FIT your profile of a winning team - it's going to be a struggle the first year. There isn't any magic twanger that starts out to build a winnning team the right way, and go to the playoffs the first year. the squealers sucked when they started out - Bradshaw nearly got booed out of town, he said they were terrible. It takes time to get your roster filled with the talent, the characteristics of winners who fit the TEAM profile. If we'd had a solid secondary, we'd probably have 3-4 wins by now. I said it before - the Browns are kicking ass often in the first half, then teams attack the secondary right after halftime and depending on how good their passing attack it... game over. It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder. NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built correctly - we're golden. how the fuck can you say rg3 fits the profile...he don't fit any profile...he's a fucking gimp, and baby huey put all his marbles into the guy...nobody wants him...they know he is a fucking injury liability. Not a good way to start a rebuild..his career is shot, face it..and who on this board would have thought we'd be THIS BAD. not me...i knew when baby huey went after rg we'd suck, but i still thought we'd win 3-4 games, which by the way, , STILL SUCKS...I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 So, is it the "plan" or an excuse?...lets have a fair look at this..... Ah....but Schwartz, Mack, Benjamin and Gipson were ALL replaced with last years 2nd stringers.....not one rookie.....Pazstor(UDFA), Erving, Pryor(UDFA) and Poyer(UDFA) were all here and we KNEW what they could do......FO failed miserably in not signing OL help.....period Replaced in the starting lineup by backups, replaced on the roster with draft picks, with future draft picks added: Schwartz Replaced in starting lineup by Pasztor. Replaced on the roster by Coleman Additional compensatory pick. Browns outlook: 3 years from now when Schwartz is 30 and being paid 12 Mil a year, Coleman is still on his rookie contract and we have an extra player. If anything works out with Paz, it's a bonus. Mack Replaced in the starting lineup by Erving Replaced on the roster by Django Unchained Additional compensatory pick. Browns outlook: Previous admin thought enough of Erving to take him in first round and he was a highly rated prospect. Play him for a year and see if he is the guy (looking like a big "No"). Meanwhile, another young lineman gets introduced this year and we have another pick we can use. If we have to dig back into free agency to fill the position in the next year or two, we're getting someone younger than Mack for the same or less we would have been paying him when he is 30+ Benjamin Replaced in the lineup and on the roster by Coleman Additional compensatory pick Browns outlook: Three years from now when Benji's career is winding down, Coleman could be a viable #1 and still on his rookie contract. Plus we got more draft currency. No brainer for the Browns here. If you wanna say he was replaced by Pryor, then fine, that's an upgrade and it opened up a roster spot, filled by Coleman. Gipson Replaced in the lineup by Poyer Replaced on the roster by Tracy Howard Additional compensatory pick Browns outlook: Three years from now Gipson is 29 and did not have enough solid seasons to pay him the money he was looking for. Take the compensatory pick. Poyer is a stopgap, but with all this draft currency, it should not be too hard to find a free safety of Gipson's ilk or better in three years. Now I am not saying this is the best way to go ... but it is the way they are going. It is all about the future. It is all about having a stacked roster three years from now when the guys we let walk are no longer on the buy side of their career. They are not trying to lose games this year. But they are trying to win with shit. It just ain't gonna happen. But it is all about the future of the franchise. They could have polished that turd of a 3-13 team, and re-signed who they could and brought in some more stopgaps, but if you don't have the QB yet, you are just spinning your wheels, so they went for the "blow it up" plan and it is painful as hell to watch this year, but we're just going to have to give it time, because that is the one thing that this plan absolutely requires. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 How would you guys feel about Jay Cutler? hehehehe. I give it about .0000001 % chance in hell...but hey...we gotta talk about SOMETHING, right? I'd feel "bad". IMO he's the current day Jeff George. Has all the tools and is one to boot... Speaking of Jeff George... As I was flipping thru college games this weekend came across his son playing QB (forget which team) and not playing all that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Now I am not saying this is the best way to go ... but it is the way they are going. It is all about the future. Also the first time we have tried this way... Also the baseball way... just ask KC... Houston... NYY... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Replaced in the starting lineup by backups, replaced on the roster with draft picks, with future draft picks added: Schwartz Replaced in starting lineup by Pasztor. Replaced on the roster by Coleman Additional compensatory pick. Browns outlook: 3 years from now when Schwartz is 30 and being paid 12 Mil a year, Coleman is still on his rookie contract and we have an extra player. If anything works out with Paz, it's a bonus. Mack Replaced in the starting lineup by Erving Replaced on the roster by Django Unchained Additional compensatory pick. Browns outlook: Previous admin thought enough of Erving to take him in first round and he was a highly rated prospect. Play him for a year and see if he is the guy (looking like a big "No"). Meanwhile, another young lineman gets introduced this year and we have another pick we can use. If we have to dig back into free agency to fill the position in the next year or two, we're getting someone younger than Mack for the same or less we would have been paying him when he is 30+ Benjamin Replaced in the lineup and on the roster by Coleman Additional compensatory pick Browns outlook: Three years from now when Benji's career is winding down, Coleman could be a viable #1 and still on his rookie contract. Plus we got more draft currency. No brainer for the Browns here. If you wanna say he was replaced by Pryor, then fine, that's an upgrade and it opened up a roster spot, filled by Coleman. Gipson Replaced in the lineup by Poyer Replaced on the roster by Tracy Howard Additional compensatory pick Browns outlook: Three years from now Gipson is 29 and did not have enough solid seasons to pay him the money he was looking for. Take the compensatory pick. Poyer is a stopgap, but with all this draft currency, it should not be too hard to find a free safety of Gipson's ilk or better in three years. Now I am not saying this is the best way to go ... but it is the way they are going. It is all about the future. It is all about having a stacked roster three years from now when the guys we let walk are no longer on the buy side of their career. They are not trying to lose games this year. But they are trying to win with shit. It just ain't gonna happen. But it is all about the future of the franchise. They could have polished that turd of a 3-13 team, and re-signed who they could and brought in some more stopgaps, but if you don't have the QB yet, you are just spinning your wheels, so they went for the "blow it up" plan and it is painful as hell to watch this year, but we're just going to have to give it time, because that is the one thing that this plan absolutely requires. Zombo Well, I just hope that they "stack" this roster with talent....instead of stacking it with untalented Busts like Erving, Gilbert, Manziel, etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'd feel "bad". IMO he's the current day Jeff George. Has all the tools and is one to boot... Speaking of Jeff George... As I was flipping thru college games this weekend came across his son playing QB (forget which team) and not playing all that well. Illinois....where his dad played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Replaced in the starting lineup by backups, replaced on the roster with draft picks, with future draft picks added: Schwartz Replaced in starting lineup by Pasztor. Replaced on the roster by Coleman Additional compensatory pick. Browns outlook: 3 years from now when Schwartz is 30 and being paid 12 Mil a year, Coleman is still on his rookie contract and we have an extra player. If anything works out with Paz, it's a bonus. Mack Replaced in the starting lineup by Erving Replaced on the roster by Django Unchained Additional compensatory pick. Browns outlook: Previous admin thought enough of Erving to take him in first round and he was a highly rated prospect. Play him for a year and see if he is the guy (looking like a big "No"). Meanwhile, another young lineman gets introduced this year and we have another pick we can use. If we have to dig back into free agency to fill the position in the next year or two, we're getting someone younger than Mack for the same or less we would have been paying him when he is 30+ Benjamin Replaced in the lineup and on the roster by Coleman Additional compensatory pick Browns outlook: Three years from now when Benji's career is winding down, Coleman could be a viable #1 and still on his rookie contract. Plus we got more draft currency. No brainer for the Browns here. If you wanna say he was replaced by Pryor, then fine, that's an upgrade and it opened up a roster spot, filled by Coleman. Gipson Replaced in the lineup by Poyer Replaced on the roster by Tracy Howard Additional compensatory pick Browns outlook: Three years from now Gipson is 29 and did not have enough solid seasons to pay him the money he was looking for. Take the compensatory pick. Poyer is a stopgap, but with all this draft currency, it should not be too hard to find a free safety of Gipson's ilk or better in three years. Now I am not saying this is the best way to go ... but it is the way they are going. It is all about the future. It is all about having a stacked roster three years from now when the guys we let walk are no longer on the buy side of their career. They are not trying to lose games this year. But they are trying to win with shit. It just ain't gonna happen. But it is all about the future of the franchise. They could have polished that turd of a 3-13 team, and re-signed who they could and brought in some more stopgaps, but if you don't have the QB yet, you are just spinning your wheels, so they went for the "blow it up" plan and it is painful as hell to watch this year, but we're just going to have to give it time, because that is the one thing that this plan absolutely requires. Zombo Take a bow Z.(Zoey, no way.) Sashi & his scouts has got to get 17 & 18 Draft right (hell,they built it)..Haslem & a plan requiring time? might want to get Zoey serving drinks in JB & Jimmy's game day suite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Take a bow Z.(Zoey, no way.) Sashi & his scouts has got to get 17 & 18 Draft right (hell,they built it)..Haslem & a plan requiring time? might want to get Zoey serving drinks in JB & Jimmy's game day suite How about if she serves those drinks in her birthday suit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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