Canton Mike Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Here's some of what Joe Thomas had to say on the Dan Patrick show... "You want to go defense. I think you need to get a pass rusher," Thomas told The Dan Patrick Show on Thursday. "I think you've got to be careful reaching for a quarterback at No. 1 because if they fail, they don't help your team at all. Whereas if you pick a defensive lineman and they don't live up to the hype, you can still find a place to get them on the field and to have an impact," Thomas said. "We're a team that, we need guys who can come in and start and contribute. That's the risk of taking a quarterback." This makes total sense to me in a way that hasn't been said before. Leave it to Joe to make the best argument I've yet heard on why NOT to take a QB at #1 (OR #12) this year. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 looks like JT's in camp garrett/allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 He's just a fat ass that doesn't know anything and offensive lineman are a dime a dozen....they just stand around on street corners waiting to be picked up. No value whatsoever so what would he know about what the team should do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 JT vs. Garrett in practice only makes them both better. Iron sharpens iron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Has Joe been vocal ever about draft picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 He's just a fat ass that doesn't know anything and offensive lineman are a dime a dozen....they just stand around on street corners waiting to be picked up. No value whatsoever so what would he know about what the team should do? Ghoul #2 JT is a smart guy. I like his way of thinking. A year or so ago he said, that you've got to have a good QB in this league. If you're lucky enough to be on a good team then a lot of games are going to come down to a two minute drill. You're not going to be able to 'run' yourself down the field. You need to have a good QB that can get you down the field to win the game. I think that THIS year his thinking is that the QB's available are not good enough to be taken ahead of the defensive players at the #1 position in the draft. And that certainly can be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 I love Joe... Joe Thomas... future HoF... future GM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 JT vs. Garrett in practice only makes them both better. Iron sharpens iron. More like Iron Man meets Superman. Together they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Ghoul #2 JT is a smart guy. I like his way of thinking. A year or so ago he said, that you've got to have a good QB in this league. If you're lucky enough to be on a good team then a lot of games are going to come down to a two minute drill. You're not going to be able to 'run' yourself down the field. You need to have a good QB that can get you down the field to win the game. I think that THIS year his thinking is that the QB's available are not good enough to be taken ahead of the defensive players at the #1 position in the draft. And that certainly can be true. I was being sarcastic...that's why it's in pink. Please in the name of all things holy don't ever put me in the same thought as a blowhard as the person you mentioned. I think Joe is right on and I would definitely respect his opinion. Dude has played in the league for years and I would think he would know what it takes to make it at the QB position since he's seen like 100 of them in his time in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 I was being sarcastic...that's why it's in pink. Please in the name of all things holy don't ever put me in the same thought as a blowhard as the person you mentioned. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Agree with Joe. I think many in here agree with Joe. Again the question is how do the guys who get paid very well to scout talent and draft not follow this line of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Here's some of what Joe Thomas had to say on the Dan Patrick show... "You want to go defense. I think you need to get a pass rusher," Thomas told The Dan Patrick Show on Thursday. "I think you've got to be careful reaching for a quarterback at No. 1 because if they fail, they don't help your team at all. Whereas if you pick a defensive lineman and they don't live up to the hype, you can still find a place to get them on the field and to have an impact," Thomas said. "We're a team that, we need guys who can come in and start and contribute. That's the risk of taking a quarterback." This makes total sense to me in a way that hasn't been said before. Leave it to Joe to make the best argument I've yet heard on why NOT to take a QB at #1 (OR #12) this year. Mike Thanks for sharing that Mike! Very interesting perspective from a guy that's made 10 consecutive Pro Bowls especially considering LTs are primarily responsible for protecting the blind side of QB. We'll undoubtedly have some very exciting choices in the first few rounds. I think I'm going back to Jonathan Allen as my favorite pick for us at #1. The ability to play inside inside or outside will be an invaluable flexibility to Gregg Williams. If not Allen, I'd love to add a LBer like Foster first and then we can pick up a pass rusher or Safety at #12. If Orchard comes back healthy, I haven't lost my intrigue to see what he has especially in Williams' defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 I was being sarcastic...that's why it's in pink. And I can assure you it was appreciated by a lot of us. Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 JT vs. Garrett in practice only makes them both better. Iron sharpens iron. Would be pretty fun to watch actually. Garett was ruining Cedric Oguehu (first rounder) in the summer before his true fish season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 I've said it before and I'll say it again - when Joe retires he can go straight to the front office and run this team. Ozzie Newsome the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 If the offensive leader of this team has the opinion that the best way to help the team is an edge rusher, then some of the baseballers in the FO need to pay close attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 If the offensive leader of this team has the opinion that the best way to help the team is an edge rusher, then some of the baseballers in the FO need to pay close attention. I'm sure they are. If he can hit a 90 mph fastball, count on him being drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 I was listening to Joe on Mike&Mike on the way to work and man and he had some real good opinions on this. I've said it before and I'll say it again - when Joe retires he can go straight to the front office and run this team. Ozzie Newsome the second. Based on what I've heard from the guy and past successes, can't we make him the player/GM now? It literally can't go worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Based on what I've heard from the guy and past successes, can't we make him the player/GM now? It literally can't go worse. And coach. I mean, how many OL coaches have we been through the last 5 years? How many have been better than JT would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 JT vs. Garrett in practice only makes them both better. Iron sharpens iron. Just struck me that in addition to being tired of seeing swings and misses at drafting franchise QBs, what Joe could very well be saying, "We have no one on our Defense that is a challenge for me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Would be pretty fun to watch actually. Garett was ruining Cedric Oguehu (first rounder) in the summer before his true fish season. You might want to translate this "aggie-speak" for the uninitiated. And coach. I mean, how many OL coaches have we been through the last 5 years? How many have been better than JT would be? Hmmmm.... I'm going with 'zero'. Exhibit A: Mitchell Schwartz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Here's some of what Joe Thomas had to say on the Dan Patrick show... "You want to go defense. I think you need to get a pass rusher," Thomas told The Dan Patrick Show on Thursday. "I think you've got to be careful reaching for a quarterback at No. 1 because if they fail, they don't help your team at all. Whereas if you pick a defensive lineman and they don't live up to the hype, you can still find a place to get them on the field and to have an impact," Thomas said. "We're a team that, we need guys who can come in and start and contribute. That's the risk of taking a quarterback." This makes total sense to me in a way that hasn't been said before. Leave it to Joe to make the best argument I've yet heard on why NOT to take a QB at #1 (OR #12) this year. Mike While that is all true, it would still leave the Browns in quarterback hell. Joe is right, there is risk in taking any QB high. But it may be a bigger risk not doing so. You risk that you will continue to be stuck with Kessler/McCown/Griffin. And Joe's HC, who is in charge says that the Browns will take a QB somewhere. But, of course that is an even bigger longshot. Sure, we can take the next version of Charlie Frye, Colt McCoy, Luke McCown, Spergon Wynn, Weeed/Quinn/Manziel. The risks of getting an actual top QB high is better than expecting lightning to strike with a Wilson/Brady in the lower rounds in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 A while back we got into a discussion of Myles' personality and lack of "nasty" with which I agreed. Interesting take over at reddit has me reconsidering the issue. Poster wrote: "I feel like their [Joe's and Myles'] personalities would mesh well." My reply: Interesting comment...Garrett's prime, and perhaps only, negative has been his "laid back" personality. Laid back has worked pretty well for Joe.Many will, and I did, argue that nasty is needed more on the D-side, but professionalism and proficiency would seem to me to trump all. Two premier pass-rushers in the league, Von Miller and Khalil Mack, don't come off as "mean", on or off the field, and they seem to be doing OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit. This fucker better have an edge to him Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit. This fucker better have an edge to him Z We've drafted edge rushers, running backs, receivers, corners, TEs and tackles in the top ten and most haven't worked out. Being soft as shit or hard as frozen shit isn't the point - get good football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit. This fucker better have an edge to him How about playing through 2/3rds of a season nursing a high-ankle sprain? Edgey enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 A while back we got into a discussion of Myles' personality and lack of "nasty" with which I agreed. Interesting take over at reddit has me reconsidering the issue. Poster wrote: "I feel like their [Joe's and Myles'] personalities would mesh well." My reply: Interesting comment... Garrett's prime, and perhaps only, negative has been his "laid back" personality. Laid back has worked pretty well for Joe. Many will, and I did, argue that nasty is needed more on the D-side, but professionalism and proficiency would seem to me to trump all. Two premier pass-rushers in the league, Von Miller and Khalil Mack, don't come off as "mean", on or off the field, and they seem to be doing OK. Von is terrifying on the field. And he was incredibly mean when he got to A&M. Most of the athletes lived in 4-bedroom apartments. They had to give Von his own, because he played (lived) so poorly with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Von is terrifying on the field. And he was incredibly mean when he got to A&M. Most of the athletes lived in 4-bedroom apartments. They had to give Von his own, because he played (lived) so poorly with others. Maybe it's the glasses... Von comes off as very controlled, calm, relaxed in interviews. Just saw him in one yesterday. On-field? Intense to be sure and in combo with his physical gifts I can certainly see them add up to "terrifying", but not menacing... not "nasty"... certainly not dirty or cheap-shotting. Just my long-distance take... which I am not in position to augment with TAMU tales. Could be he's grown? Grown up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 We've drafted edge rushers, running backs, receivers, corners, TEs and tackles in the top ten and most haven't worked out. Being soft as shit or hard as frozen shit isn't the point - get good football players. If he's soft as shit he won't be a good enough football player in the NFL. Ergo my post. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 How about playing through 2/3rds of a season nursing a high-ankle sprain? Edgey enough? Who, Garrett? That's toughness and commitment, great traits, but I want to hear about a mean streak too. I have no idea ... Never watched him .. A&M guys? Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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