The Gipper Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Yes, this is Camp Trade UP. Now I am not talking about trading up with our first round picks...you can't trade up from #1.....but primarily I am talking about taking our lower round picks...in rounds 4,5,6,7...and using those to trade up into the 3rd round or higher. Let's be honest...in Browns history they have gotten almost nothing out of the lower round picks: Since the draft went to 7 rounds in 1993, and having had about 100 draft picks in those 4 rounds in the last 21 years....they have gotten very, very few players out of those rounds. In my research I found all of 6 names in the last quarter century that the Browns got in rounds 4-7 that contributed anything to the Browns: Anthony Henry and Travis Benjamin in Round 4. Andra Davis (LB) and Buster Skrine in round 5. Ahtyba Rubin in round 6, and Paul Zukauskus in round 7. So...I suggest packaging the picks the Browns have in those last 4 rounds and parlay them into either moving into the third or second round....or using them to move up spots in the higher rounds. We are getting little or no talent out of those rounds. Use those assets to move up to get a chance at better talent. (and yes...I am aware fully that the Browns have screwed up the picks they have had in the higher rounds...but what can we say about that. With higher picks, make better choices) And..if in fact you want to use this forum to "trade up" any of our other picks, that would be good. Hell.....who here would not take our 5,6,7 round picks and use them to go up a few slots from #12 or #33? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Not for me. It's generally a crapshoot in all rounds but especially third and onwards. More picks you have the more chance you have of being lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Not for me. It's generally a crapshoot in all rounds but especially third and onwards. More picks you have the more chance you have of being lucky Well...I would venture to say that most teams may have a 6% success rate at drafting players in rounds 4-7. I think your odds in that crapshoot are much much better if you have more picks in higher rounds. I would say that having a single second round pick is better than having a 5th 6th and 7th round picks. If you could trade your 5/6/7 rounders for a 2, would you not do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Trading up from 33 is almost a must. If someone we like falls to the back end of the 1st round we need to make a move to get him so we can get the extra year on his rookie contract. I wouldn't mind seeing us move up from 12 to get Fournette, but I'm not sure how much it would take to move up to the 4-6 range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I wouldn't mind seeing us move up from 12 to get Fournette, but I'm not sure how much it would take to move up to the 4-6 range If the Browns are bent on taking a first round RB (I sure hope not) they can stay put. Either Cook or Fournette will be there at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Only a fucking team as fucking dumb ad the fucking Browns would consider this dumb fucking plan. Why the fuck in the right mind is going to say to themselves.....ooooh ooooooh oooooooh we get 2 7th round picks a 6th, 1 5th and a 4th.............................for our third? The rounds 4 - 7 are shit rounds. The chance of finding someone good there is like playing a slot machine,I WOULD trade up.............. Trade Joe Thomas and next year's #1 to get another #1 rounder this year. Pick 4 times in the first 33........ fuck the rest of the picks. Hello! McFly! Is anybody home? You are saying exactly what I am saying.....that we get shit out of rounds 4-7...and that is why I suggest a trade up. Will some other team go along? Who knows, maybe/probably not....but what the fuck.....all one can do is ask. Fair to say? I suspect you out punted your coverage when you asked your wife to go out with you. I mean, in you she got the equivalent of a 6-7th round draft pick...when should could have had a 2d rounder. But you went for it...and lo and behold you got a happy surprise. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 NO TRADES whatsoever. We have 5 of the first 65, so I believe you stand pat and look at your draft board, grab the highest rated guys and go from there. I know it's just year two for Hue, DePodesta, & Sashi. They did the trades last year to set up this year, so EXECUTE it and quit sacrificing the present for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I am good with the 5 of the first 65.....but what I advocate is to see if they can get more picks in rounds 2-3 by trading up with their 5/6/7 rounders. I mean, at this point, I think the Browns have been doing better historically with certain UDFAs they have signed than with their 4/5/6/7 round draft picks. the Crowe Tashaun Meder several others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I am good with the 5 of the first 65.....but what I advocate is to see if they can get more picks in rounds 2-3 by trading up with their 5/6/7 rounders. I mean, at this point, I think the Browns have been doing better historically with certain UDFAs they have signed than with their 4/5/6/7 round draft picks. the Crowe Tashaun Meder several others. I see what you're saying now. I'm just seriously jaded about how things have been effed up (as are others around here). How are we to know if these guys are the right guys to run the team if we keep trading away? That's all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I see what you're saying now. I'm just seriously jaded about how things have been effed up (as are others around here). How are we to know if these guys are the right guys to run the team if we keep trading away? That's all... It is a legitimate concern. I have heard on the radio and seen some websites that says that despite the Browns drafting 14 players last year...not a single one of their rookies rated in the Top 50 rookie performers for the 2016 season. I don't know if those are fantasy football rankings or otherwise...but still.....not a single one of our rookies made any significant impact last year....if those stats are to be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Yep let's trade up from 33 with some of those late rounders. Perhaps we can find Gip's QB at say, oh I don't know, maybe #22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Someone might overpay for 33. They'll have a whole day to worry about someone going early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Yep let's trade up from 33 with some of those late rounders. Perhaps we can find Gip's QB at say, oh I don't know, maybe #22? If we end up with #22, I'm blaming Ag for having the audacity to even SUGGEST such a thing! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 NO TRADES whatsoever. We have 5 of the first 65, so I believe you stand pat and look at your draft board, grab the highest rated guys and go from there. I know it's just year two for Hue, DePodesta, & Sashi. They did the trades last year to set up this year, so EXECUTE it and quit sacrificing the present for the future. Amen brother Bob..First they cut the cupboards far to bare with the likes of Schobert over Robertson,Hawk over Gabe & Schwartz over a few buc$'s. In not part of a youth movement in anybodies opinion. Secondly they valued (14) lower picks over top talent picks in 16 draft, due to them bearing their own cupboards. Now show us what you get paid to do. Put a watchable & win-able product on the field..(Oh by the way. you got about 100M in Cap Space to save your jobs if you want it..) Thanks Bob, Damn i feel b(i)etter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I think we could end up with 4 first rounders if we could find teams interested in trading down. Take 33 and go up to like 18, and the 52 to say 30. Those two jumps could be made without giving up anything next year. I say go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I'm all for trading up with the later-round picks, I just don't expect to jump into the 2nd round by packaging them together (who would be dumb enough to do that...?). As someone pointed out earlier, players picked in rounds 4+ don't often contribute much. With this front office still learning the intricacies of the NFL, I would anticipate that their ability to find usable talent in rounds 4+ is close to non-existent. Our best bet may be to trade a 5th for a 4th in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 If we end up with #22, I'm blaming Ag for having the audacity to even SUGGEST such a thing! Mike I haven't talked to Russia in 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Yep let's trade up from 33 with some of those late rounders. Perhaps we can find Gip's QB at say, oh I don't know, maybe #22? "My" QB won't be there anywhere near #22. Lop of one of the 2s and that might be where he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I'm all for trading up with the later-round picks, I just don't expect to jump into the 2nd round by packaging them together (who would be dumb enough to do that...?). As someone pointed out earlier, players picked in rounds 4+ don't often contribute much. With this front office still learning the intricacies of the NFL, I would anticipate that their ability to find usable talent in rounds 4+ is close to non-existent. Our best bet may be to trade a 5th for a 4th in 2018. While no one may trade a #2 for like 5/6/7....they may be willing to take those in a trade with the Browns who could move up....as mentioned....going from 33 to higher....or 52 or 65 to a higher place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Amen brother Bob..First they cut the cupboards far to bare with the likes of Schobert over Robertson,Hawk over Gabe & Schwartz over a few buc$'s. In not part of a youth movement in anybodies opinion. Secondly they valued (14) lower picks over top talent picks in 16 draft, due to them bearing their own cupboards. Now show us what you get paid to do. Put a watchable & win-able product on the field..(Oh by the way. you got about 100M in Cap Space to save your jobs if you want it..) Thanks Bob, Damn i feel b(i)etter Hey it's all good. We all just want to talk AFC North title, playoffs & beyond. This draft talk from Oct-April is getting real old. PS- I renewed my seats yet again. Go Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 I like the Browns opportunities where they are. I just hope they don't panic because they're perfectly set up to have a monster draft. 12 is a lock for a QB selection or trade if we don't acquire one in FA. But I'm actually hoping we go D at 1 & 12 and then QB with the first pick in the second round. They are all risky and one of them will drop out of Round 1. As they said last year, don't reach for a QB in the first round unless you think they can be a top 15 QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 I would be in favor of trading low round picks and moving up a round for 2018. I thought this worked well for Mangini and we perhaps should have considered it last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 I think we should prepare for several trades, and that's been our M.O. for a few years. Yes, I realize the actual PICKS haven't worked out, but the trades themselves have worked in terms of assets received vs given away. It all comes down to making the right selections, and I'm interested to see what happens now that our front office has a bit of experience and a full year of evaluation under their belts. Fans have the right to be skeptical, but I remain hopeful. As far as trading UP, I can be sold on this if the deal makes sense. If we determine that there's a QB we HAVE to have, and we also determine that under no circumstances will we pass on Garrett/Allen/Adams, then I don't have an issue moving up from 12, or moving up from our second round back to the first. Other than the #1 pick of the draft, probably our most valuable pick is the first pick of the SECOND round. That's the pick that SO many teams want because there's ALWAYS a few players that slide out of the first round, and since the second round is on another day, teams have an entire night to contemplate who is available and how they can get a deal done. They'll have hours to look at their big boards and salivate over the guy they absolutely DON'T want to whiff on. We could probably get very nice compensation from somebody if they see someone they really want. Or, there could be a guy that falls directly into our lap, and we take him. I believe Ogbah was such a player, and we actually WANTED to trade down, but we didn't because we had such a killer grade on him. I'm completely fine with trading up or down, I really am. At first, I was COMPLETELY against trading down, especially from the first overall pick. Now, I think I could be talked into it if another team offers up the universe AND we don't fall past around 6. The dream scenario is trading with the Titans, and getting their #5 and $18 in exchange for the #1. That gives us numbers 5, 12, and 18. Again, that's the "dream scenario", and I SEVERELY doubt Tennessee would EVER consider this, but hey...it's the silly season. If that trade somehow went down, we're looking at something like Jamal Adams, Derek Barnett, and maybe O.J. Howard. That's pretty nasty. Our QB will be Garoppolo, and the deal will get done with our first second rounder, next year's second rounder, and Josh Gordon. That leaves us with one second rounder left, and we'll use it on Pat Eiflien, Center/Guard from OSU. So in one draft we add Jamal Adams, Derek Barnett, O.J. Howard, Pat Eiflien, and Jimmy Garoppolo. Dreams are fun, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 I like the Browns opportunities where they are. I just hope they don't panic because they're perfectly set up to have a monster draft. 12 is a lock for a QB selection or trade if we don't acquire one in FA. But I'm actually hoping we go D at 1 & 12 and then QB with the first pick in the second round. They are all risky and one of them will drop out of Round 1. As they said last year, don't reach for a QB in the first round unless you think they can be a top 15 QB. Well, you are missing the point of this thread. The question here is can we parlay our late round picks to move up to higher rounds....and theoretically draft better...if fewer players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 I think we should prepare for several trades, and that's been our M.O. for a few years. Yes, I realize the actual PICKS haven't worked out, but the trades themselves have worked in terms of assets received vs given away. It all comes down to making the right selections, and I'm interested to see what happens now that our front office has a bit of experience and a full year of evaluation under their belts. Fans have the right to be skeptical, but I remain hopeful. As far as trading UP, I can be sold on this if the deal makes sense. If we determine that there's a QB we HAVE to have, and we also determine that under no circumstances will we pass on Garrett/Allen/Adams, then I don't have an issue moving up from 12, or moving up from our second round back to the first. Other than the #1 pick of the draft, probably our most valuable pick is the first pick of the SECOND round. That's the pick that SO many teams want because there's ALWAYS a few players that slide out of the first round, and since the second round is on another day, teams have an entire night to contemplate who is available and how they can get a deal done. They'll have hours to look at their big boards and salivate over the guy they absolutely DON'T want to whiff on. We could probably get very nice compensation from somebody if they see someone they really want. Or, there could be a guy that falls directly into our lap, and we take him. I believe Ogbah was such a player, and we actually WANTED to trade down, but we didn't because we had such a killer grade on him. I'm completely fine with trading up or down, I really am. At first, I was COMPLETELY against trading down, especially from the first overall pick. Now, I think I could be talked into it if another team offers up the universe AND we don't fall past around 6. The dream scenario is trading with the Titans, and getting their #5 and $18 in exchange for the #1. That gives us numbers 5, 12, and 18. Again, that's the "dream scenario", and I SEVERELY doubt Tennessee would EVER consider this, but hey...it's the silly season. If that trade somehow went down, we're looking at something like Jamal Adams, Derek Barnett, and maybe O.J. Howard. That's pretty nasty. Our QB will be Garoppolo, and the deal will get done with our first second rounder, next year's second rounder, and Josh Gordon. That leaves us with one second rounder left, and we'll use it on Pat Eiflien, Center/Guard from OSU. So in one draft we add Jamal Adams, Derek Barnett, O.J. Howard, Pat Eiflien, and Jimmy Garoppolo. Dreams are fun, eh? Per the Pats....Garropolo is NOT for sale.....at least not at any reasonable price. At least that is what they say....though I believe they are actually angling for a higher first round pick....and personally, quite frankly am unwilling to give them anything that high. #52 at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Per the Pats....Garropolo is NOT for sale.....at least not at any reasonable price. At least that is what they say....though I believe they are actually angling for a higher first round pick....and personally, quite frankly am unwilling to give them anything that high. #52 at best. Just for the record I have a 2011 Subaru Outback limited edition. If anyone is willing to give up $40,000 I think I could be persuaded to sell it. Just in case.. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just for the record I have a 2011 Subaru Outback limited edition. If anyone is willing to give up $40,000 I think I could be persuaded to sell it. Just in case.. WSS You been inside BBs head apparently. Or, something about a bridge for sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Jets & GM Mike Maccagnan are surly going blow it up mode in NY. per a NFL.com article, Maccagnan is willing to move out of any of his 7 picks.4 picks our in 1st 3 rounds..from #12 to #6 has a price, but we know what Philly & Rams were willing to give up from well back.We went from #8 to #15 with Titans. Who may be there? Our the picks were giving up worth it from #12 talent? some team will be willing to roll the dice early on this before draft. The window is now open to make a move to 2nd & 3rd rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Jets are having a Fire Sale.....dumped Mangold, Revis, Marshall....who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Honestly Gip, the Jets website has taken down all transactions off there website I believe Fireman Ed also fired Geno Smith & PaPa Fitz & a cheerleader to be named later in the deal..Eric Decker is next in line to be cut.Due to off season hip & shoulder surgery. I say Eric has no chance to recover from a hip with a wife like Jessie James Decker(good god,u lucky bastard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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