Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Sorry, i heard the "exact"same bullshit about bosa last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 "I just got this feeling man!!!". Im in no mood to watch garett go get 10 or more sacks for another defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Bosa was a better player than Garrett. Not as high a ceiling, but better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Honestly i wouldnt mind taking garett this year even if we had taken bosa last year, those two would be unfair on the same front 4. However, think what we could command this year with the 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Bosa was a better player than Garrett. Not as high a ceiling, but better player. It'll be interesting to see how that all plays out for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poplarbluffman Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 my top 3 on my board #1 Allen #2 Lattimore #3 Garrett agree with Sapp elite pass rusher if you are a 4-3 team and need a rde but a one trick pony Solomon Thomas DE/DT Stanford was a 10 at the combine but only produced slightly above avg at Stanfordf...sort small for a dt,doesn't run an elite arc at de so I'd guess solid 5 tech with avg production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Hey Sapp - your rant works better if you substituted your "financial acumen" for Myles Garrett. Bankrupt MF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Garrett will be a great player if and when the Browns can schedule Prairieview for just about every game. Otherwise I think Warren Sapp may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 I don't see anything wrong with cancelling interviews. Can get you in trouble sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domcucch1994 Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 I feel like we will shake things up and draft Trubisky.He will sit for a year We draft OJ Howard, Go defense the rest of the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 He is the best college DE. That doesn't mean he will be the best in the NFL. why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 I feel like we will shake things up and draft Trubisky. He will sit for a year We draft OJ Howard, Go defense the rest of the way Too late. The Browns defense needs stars, and those are only available in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 why ? The same reason that guys - who for what ever reason, couldn't even start on their college teams become NFL studs..... There are no guarantees that any college kid, regardless of his measurables, will succeed at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted April 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 why ? If college performance consistently translated to the NFL mock drafts and the months of discussions would be non existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 discussions would be non existent. and worthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 He is the best college DE. That doesn't mean he will be the best in the NFL. There are no guarantees that any college kid, regardless of his measurables, will succeed at the next level. If college performance consistently translated to the NFL mock drafts and the months of discussions would be non existent. Exactly.....but its all we have to rate them by and it's what every one does.....and no guarantees either way....ever Which is why it's stupid for anyone to claim their guy is best base upon college perf, while claiming another guy sucks because college doesnt prove anything...which is where a lot of these threads end up..... All you can do is factor an educated guess.....and dwerps that claim to know "with certainty" that any player will fail or succeed are just that....dwerps... Carry on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Warren Sapp apparently doesn't understand that college D against running QBs a measure of discipline from the DL and especially Edge DL. I'll be the first to admit I watch very little college ball. For those of you who do tell me why he is so much better than Derek Barnett for example. Even Solomon Thomas. Also if you have followed him personally does he love football? Does he take plays off? Is he as surefire as the hype? Lastly if you don't believe he actually is a lock at #1 who do you take or do you move down a few spots? EDIT- Expand the thought process to not only is he the best DE but is he the best player. Barnett is smaller and slower... good enough? Solomon Thomas? Different player and a closer, but still not all that close, call. Love Football? Yes. Take plays off? Yes... more on this later... He's as surefire as any in this draft. He's my lock, so can't help you. On taking plays off... I think Jeff Saturday said it best last week on NFL Live when he said (more or less), "Can we knock this crap off? Every player in the NFL takes plays off. I took plays off. There are times when you are dog tired and you know you should chase that LB downfield and be in position in case your RB cuts back, but you just don't. And these kids in college are on the field for a bunch more plays than any pro ever is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 So much is made about measurables - 40 time, arm length, long jump, shuttle time, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada..... There are only two things that make the great players great, and it's their heart and brain. Bullshit... if it were true Ben Boulware would go #1. "Heart", "desire", "passion", "motor" plus "football smarts" can only close small "talent" gaps. I will grant you that all the talent in the world doesn't mean jack, if desire is not there. But just because it's not in your face, does not mean it's not there... and here's proof... Honestly i wouldnt mind taking garett this year even if we had taken bosa last year, those two would be unfair on the same front 4. However, think what we could command this year with the 1st? So you finally admit that Bosa would not have improved our 2016 results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondwave Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 With everyone all up and arms over Jamal Adams, I don't even think he's the best safety in this draft. Malik Hooker, while raw, has all the tools to be the best defensive player in this draft .The way he high-points the ball, his positioning, instincts, scream all-pro by year 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 With everyone all up and arms over Jamal Adams, I don't even think he's the best safety in this draft. Malik Hooker, while raw, has all the tools to be the best defensive player in this draft .The way he high-points the ball, his positioning, instincts, scream all-pro by year 3. to a point, I believe that too, except for Hooker's hip injuries, and the fact that Hooker is a free safety, and Adams a strong safety. Seems like that is missing from some rankings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondwave Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 to a point, I believe that too, except for Hooker's hip injuries, and the fact that Hooker is a free safety, and Adams a strong safety. Seems like that is missing from some rankings... Hooker has unlimited range and elite tracking skills. Shades of Ed Reed. Whereas Jamal Adams is better tackler and a better finisher at POC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsnMopar Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Hooker has unlimited range and elite tracking skills. Shades of Ed Reed. Whereas Jamal Adams is better tackler and a better finisher at POC. SO LETS GET BOTH!!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Too late. The Browns defense needs stars, and those are only available in the first round. See Mudfly's thread on "the best". It shows that at just about every position on the field, certainly skill positions, most of the "stars"...HOF caliber players are indeed drafted in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 why ? While I expect the Browns to draft their second player named Garrett with the overall #1 pick, and while I hope that he does not turn out like the other Garrett the Browns took #1 (Bobby...a complete bust), and while I hope he is the next coming of Bruce Smith or Deacon Jones.....the fact is that there ARE concerns: A. Much of his production came against the cupcakes on the A&M schedule.....his performance took a precipitous dropoff when he came up against the stiffer competition of the SEC. B. As Sapp said, he takes plays off....and can be lazy at time. C. His run defense skills may be lacking. Now, hopefully...all these things can be overcome if the Browns draft him. Even if they are not completely overcome,, hopefully he brings his motor in high gear during passing plays to utilize the skills that so many see in him as a pass rush specialist. But the concerns are there...and that is the answer to the "why". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 discussions would be non existent. and worthless You mean you think they are not now? While I may participate in some of it....I do recognize the worthlessness of all the discussions we all have. The Browns FO does not give a cabbage fart about what we all have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Bullshit... if it were true Ben Boulware would go #1. "Heart", "desire", "passion", "motor" plus "football smarts" can only close small "talent" gaps. I will grant you that all the talent in the world doesn't mean jack, if desire is not there. But just because it's not in your face, does not mean it's not there... and here's proof... 905px-Joe_Thomas_Cleveland_Browns_New_Uniform_Unveiling_(17153558101).jpg So you finally admit that Bosa would not have improved our 2016 results? lol! Did I attack the very core of your pre-draft experience T? Take Ray Lewis for example. There were many LBs that were faster than him, jumped higher than him, had longer arms, ect.. (yada, yada), yet there were only a handful in the history of the game that played the sport better than him..... If only I could think of another example..... oh wait, that dude that plays QB in New England is an even better one - dude looked and measured like a baby giraffe. I'm not saying that measurables should completely be ignored, but they in no way (sorry) predicate if the athlete will be successful..... If only I could think of an example - Oh, sorry David Veikune, I didn't see you there. Only 4 more days T, 4 more days....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 lol! Did I attack the very core of your pre-draft experience T? Take Ray Lewis for example. There were many LBs that were faster than him, jumped higher than him, had longer arms, ect.. (yada, yada), yet there were only a handful in the history of the game that played the sport better than him..... If only I could think of another example..... oh wait, that dude that plays QB in New England is an even better one - dude looked and measured like a baby giraffe. I'm not saying that measurables should completely be ignored, but they in no way (sorry) predicate if the athlete will be successful..... If only I could think of an example - Oh, sorry David Veikune, I didn't see you there. Only 4 more days T, 4 more days....... 3.25... Wasn't expecting Ray, but I did anticipate a Brady comeback. Won't bullshit you and say I saw Tom coming... closest I can come is a memory of him impressively leading a 2nd half comeback to beat our Buckeyes in '99... ( http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/osu/graphics/pdf/m-footbl/1999/1999-12-Michigan.pdf )... but his Combine numbers did not suck across the board. EDIT: That '99 Mich team ended up #5 in the country after beating BAMA in a bowl game shoot out. Brady's line: 34-46-369, 3 TDs, 0 Ints ( http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/bowls/2000orng.htm ) Yes, his 5.24 time in the 40 was slow, and his vert and broad jumps were laughable, but his 3-cone and 20-yd shuttle times were decent and very competitive within his draft class.... and check out his 10-yd split... 40 Yard Dash: 5.28 seconds; 20 Yard Dash: 2.94 seconds; 10 Yard Dash: 1.70 second Vertical Leap: 24.5 inches; Broad Jump: 99 inches; 20 Yd Shuttle: 4.38 seconds; Three Cone: 7.20 seconds Bench Press: (N/A) reps (225 lb); 60 Yd Shuttle: (N/A) seconds Wonderlic: 33 (0-50) Combine those 10-yd and 3-cone results and you have "escapability"... but then there was that "topless photo"... of, at 6'4 (or 6'5), the tallest QB in the draft class... and at 211 a player who hadn't quite filled out. Current weight? 225... http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=4732 Combine data was scarce back in Ray Ray's day (predates DraftScouts and combinereults.com's data bases), so you'll have to dig up all those other LBs who measured better than him, but here are Lewis' raw numbers that I managed to find... 6'1, 240# ( http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1498026-ray-lewis-vs-patrick-willis-comparing-the-past-present-of-the-lb-position ) 40 yard dash - 4.58 seconds; 225 bench Press - 34; Vertical leap - 38.5" (at Pro Day numbers at Answers.com and above link) Not seeing any issues... as in major gaps that "desire" cannot fill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Hooker has unlimited range and elite tracking skills. Shades of Ed Reed. Whereas Jamal Adams is better tackler and a better finisher at POC. Range? Yes. Unlimited? Hyperbole? "Elite tackling skills"? Ummmm... no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Range? Yes. Unlimited? Hyperbole? "Elite tackling skills"? Ummmm... no... He said elite tracking skills. It may not be elite, but it's damn close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 So you finally admit that Bosa would not have improved our 2016 results? I never ever contended one single player would change this teams fortunes. But it doesnt matter u take players like bosa when they're there for u. U have to surround them with other competent players, always acknowledged that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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