heckofajobbrownie Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 From Kevin Drum: From Rush Limbaugh, commenting on the deteriorating economy: "In the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem. This is the objective. The objective is unemployment. The objective is more food stamp benefits. The objective is more unemployment benefits. The objective is an expanding welfare state. And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on." The tendency of liberals to shout "racism" a little too often is not one of my side's most attractive qualities. But it's a damn sight less disturbing than the tendency of conservatives to ignore racism when it comes crawling out from under rocks on their side. Limbaugh's message could hardly have been more obvious if he'd donned blackface and performed a soft-shoe in his studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 you know that post means youre a racist bigot. its not their fault they're poor.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Another cut and paste. It should have been put in the reading material thread. Or, we'd just go read Rush. boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB&J Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Gorilla Warfare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 If you are black and/or mexican they roll out the red carpet for all types of benefits from the government. This is just untrue and has zero facts to back it up. 'spec, I'm sorry that the gov't is giving you the runaround, I really am, but I know plenty of white folks who are down and receiving unemployment etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 From Kevin Drum: From Rush Limbaugh, commenting on the deteriorating economy: "In the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem. This is the objective. The objective is unemployment. The objective is more food stamp benefits. The objective is more unemployment benefits. The objective is an expanding welfare state. And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on." The tendency of liberals to shout "racism" a little too often is not one of my side's most attractive qualities. But you thought you'd open with it anyway? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 The gov't is not rewarding success or hard work, they are rewarding failure. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I understand being jaded dealing with what you've had to deal with recently, but what you call "rewarding failure," I call "helping those who need it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 My interest was in seeing the reactions to Rush's statement, and I got just about what I expected. And yes, Steve, Rush's statement is racist, not to mention ludicrous and completely unfounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 As for this, Inspecta: "If you are black and/or mexican they roll out the red carpet for all types of benefits from the government. If you're white, not so much." Perhaps you'd like to explain how the government benefits Rush noted - unemployment benefits, food stamps, or traditional welfare programs -- are made more available to blacks and Mexicans than they are to white people. I was under the impression that the benefits were made available to all people who qualified, regardless of their race. (Unlike you, I also think it's quite easy to argue Rush's points, because they're beyond ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Yeah, I guess we have to disagree. I think what Rush said, and much of what your saying, qualifies under definition three. He's implying that blacks are lazy people who don't want to work, but want to remain on welfare because they think they're owed it because of slavery. That's what he's saying. And he's also saying that this is the goal of Obama's policy - not to avoid a recession/depression (unemployment benefits and food stamps are among the most stimulative tools in the government arsenal) and get people back to work, but to actively keep them from working so as to reward reparations to black people for slavery. It's warped thinking, and it comes from a guy who doesn't think much of black people. Now, it seems you think when you apply for government assistance it's something different than when a minority does. It's more noble, or something, because you don't want to take it, but will do so if you have to. Apparently it doesn't occur to you that a black family might share this view. According to you, "a good percentage of minorities are more than happy to let the gov't have this role in their lives." I'd just like to know what you're basing this on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 But don't get me wrong - I love when Rush says things like this, and love it even more when the remaining 21% of America that makes up the sorry state of the Republican Party thinks he speaks the truth and cheers him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 But don't get me wrong - I love when Rush says things like this, and love it even more when the remaining 21% of America that makes up the sorry state of the Republican Party thinks he speaks the truth and cheers him on. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I personally find humor in others' ignorance, too. It's better than the alternative, which is shock/fear. Like I choose to laugh at a guy like DieHard's pathetic ignorance than really contemplate the ramifications of someone that fcuked up actually walking the Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 From Kevin Drum: From Rush Limbaugh, commenting on the deteriorating economy: "In the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem. This is the objective. The objective is unemployment. The objective is more food stamp benefits. The objective is more unemployment benefits. The objective is an expanding welfare state. And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on." The tendency of liberals to shout "racism" a little too often is not one of my side's most attractive qualities. But it's a damn sight less disturbing than the tendency of conservatives to ignore racism when it comes crawling out from under rocks on their side. Limbaugh's message could hardly have been more obvious if he'd donned blackface and performed a soft-shoe in his studio. I missed the show, quote, and therefore the context (darn ), but it appears that Kevin is injecting just as much racism as Rush is/was. Blacks are the only ones losing jobs? "Think reparations" is only racist if your editorial/job/argument hinges on the perception of "Rasict Rush." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Whatever you think Diehard's act is, it is well beyond stale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I live in Los Angeles, Inspecta. Last time I checked it was pretty diverse. So from what I can tell you're basing your theory about minorities, particularly blacks, being lazier/more willing to live on the government dole than whites on your anecdotal experience in North Carolina and a Chris Rock routine. Count me as unconvinced. Although I'm slightly encouraged that you attribute it to social constructs. Slightly. And Leg, clearly Rush is talking about blacks because he's talking about reparations for slavery. Who else would he be talking about? There's no racism being injected from Kevin's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I don't follow the logic here. You think these positions are ignorant, yet you love and embrace people being ignorant? Is that because it makes you feel smarter? No, because most of the country thinks this guy is a lout and an asshole and often wrong, and the more the Republicans let him run the show the more it turns them into a party for angry, rural white people over 45, and the easier it will be to defeat them. Ex: This weekend Dick Cheney said that he'd side with Rush over Colin Powell. Who do you think the public has more respect for? How many people do you think share that view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 And Leg, clearly Rush is talking about blacks because he's talking about reparations for slavery. Who else would he be talking about? There's no racism being injected from Kevin's side. The unemployed? *edit* I think he uses "reparations" as a means to describe his perceived ineffetiveness of the welfare state (is there a sillier, larger failure of a plan than reparations? How insulting - just hand 'em some money, that'll shut 'em up). We can debate on if he is right or not, but Kevin "Vaudville" Drum clearly is more dependent on injecting race into his act than Rush is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Leg, come on now. He's not talking about the welfare state when he's talking about reparations. They're two different things. When he's talking about reparations, he means, you know, reparations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Here's more of what I mean, Inspecta. This is from today, from Richard Posner, a Reagan conservative, who just doesn't see his old party anymore, doesn't see the ideas, and just sees a bunch of disgruntled Sarah Palins and Joe the Plumbers. "By the end of the Clinton administration, I was content to celebrate the triumph of conservatism as I understood it, and had no desire for other than incremental changes in the economic and social structure of the United States. I saw no need for the estate tax to be abolished, marginal personal-income tax rates further reduced, the government shrunk, pragmatism in constitutional law jettisoned in favor of "originalism," the rights of gun owners enlarged, our military posture strengthened, the rise of homosexual rights resisted, or the role of religion in the public sphere expanded. All these became causes embraced by the new conservatism that crested with the reelection of Bush in 2004. My theme is the intellectual decline of conservatism, and it is notable that the policies of the new conservatism are powered largely by emotion and religion and have for the most part weak intellectual groundings. That the policies are weak in conception, have largely failed in execution, and are political flops is therefore unsurprising. The major blows to conservatism, culminating in the election and programs of Obama, have been fourfold: the failure of military force to achieve U.S. foreign policy objectives; the inanity of trying to substitute will for intellect, as in the denial of global warming, the use of religious criteria in the selection of public officials, the neglect of management and expertise in government; a continued preoccupation with abortion; and fiscal incontinence in the form of massive budget deficits, the Medicare drug plan, excessive foreign borrowing, and asset-price inflation. By the fall of 2008, the face of the Republican Party had become Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. Conservative intellectuals had no party." In other words, lots of DieHards and Cals and Steves, not enough Tupas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 In other words, lots of DieHards and Cals and Steves, not enough Tupas. And faux intellectual arrogant kool aid swillin hypocritical blowhards like you Heck. Rock on . WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Leg, come on now. He's not talking about the welfare state when he's talking about reparations. They're two different things. When he's talking about reparations, he means, you know, reparations. Again, as I lead off with my 1st post on the matter, I'm not familiar with the context of the statement as I don't waste my day (afternoon? morning?) listening to Rush. But going off of what is quoted, grammatically, and rhetorically he is discussing unemployment and the welfare state. The objective is unemployment, and using the reparations bit as a descriptor. I think Rush is mostly an idiot, and it helps the idiot persona if he's a racist too. I get it. It's just not in the quote. However, if his show went something like: [Donavon McNabb] [commercial] [quoted text] Then yeah, he's a racist. (I can be like Kevin Drum too!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I get what you're saying, I just don't agree. At all. I think the inability to see instances of obvious racism and disdain for whole swaths of fellow Americans, and this insistence on living and dying by this white provincialism espoused by the Rush Limbaughs and Bill O'Reillys of the world, have become a hallmark of the older generation of the Republican Party, and it's part of the reason why young people have abandoned it in droves. I posted something fairly detestable and obviously wrong that came out of the mouth of the guy who is calling the shots in the Republican Party. And I got a few people saying he was an idiot, but some saying what he said was inarguably true, and then a discussion on how black really are lazy and want government to take care of them, or your insistence that Kevin Drum is the one injecting race into this discussion. (????) Rush can make statements like this, or tell a black caller to "take the bone out of your nose and call me back" but no, he's not a racist. He doesn't resent blacks. He just never has a kind word for them. Totally different. I'm sure if you back up that quote and provide more context it'll sound totally reasonable, like it came from his happy place. It's as if the only type of racism the right will acknowledge is the guy who says N***** to black people's faces, or the "burn a cross on your lawn" variety. Everything short of that is chalked up to something else. But they do love to point out instances where white people might be getting a fair shake - that's the real problem in this country! And yet I don't imagine that there's a single person that agrees with the substance of what Rush is saying here - that Obama is deliberately tanking the economy in order to grow the welfare state as an indirect way to provide reparations to his fellow blacks. (Apparently the only people on welfare, according to Rush.) Or maybe I shouldn't speak so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Forgive me. I must be thinking of the other kind of "blackface & soft-shoeing." Again, I don't agree with Rush that Obama is purposefully tanking the economy so that he can increase the welfare state. But I still think he is making the point a long the lines of "this Obama introduced welfare state will be wasteful and silly and ineffective. Remember how ineffective reparations were? That's what it will be like." Not "thar's a colored in the white house, he's finally gonna give "his people" all them thar reparations we wuz hearin' about!" And I think Drum took the latter tack and phoned it in, because it's easy. p.s. I hate you for making me quasi-defend Rush Demeraugh for 3 or so posts. I need a drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Sorry. I'm sure you don't like defending Rush any more than I like defending Michael Moore. But at least give up on this idea that by citing famously racist acts like blackface this means Kevin Drum is injecting race into this discussion. He's clearly saying something similar to what I just said - that you don't need the explicitly racist trappings to be able to see the racism in what Rush said. And I also think you're completely misreading Rush's quote. He's clearly saying this is Obama's backdoor method of giving more welfare to blacks, so much so that it's tantamount to reparations. I don't see how you can read it the way you're doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Gorilla Warfare! Forget a watch dog, I want a couple of these beasts in my backyard. I could feed them liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Whatever, T. You just like looking at the one on the right's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Whatever, T. You just like looking at the one on the right's ass. yeah im Laughing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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