The Gipper Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Browns Mopar is on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 What reasons? He didnt uses Remax to sell his house in Cleveland? Can you be less vague? Yes....because he is a pluperfect prick. Maybe that is not being an idiot...but since anyone's definition of what an idiot is is vague it will suffice. Just live with the fact that the guy is an idiot...and don't sweat the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Its not that easy. Belichick put Brady in the perfect system to succeed. The Browns didnt have the perfect system. Atlanta drafted Brett Farve and thought that he was a bust. Belichick couldnt spend a high pick on Brady with Bledsoe. 4th or a 5th? Sure, but NE wasnt really looking for a QB with so many other needs. So....what you are saying is that it was the system, and not the man or his talent. That if in fact the Browns had taken Brady....they would have been no better than they have been....and that if the Pats had taken Spergon Wynn...that they would have won the 5 Super Bowls because of BBs "system". Keep smoking what you're smoking dude. I mean, the world is your oyster and you are just flying above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 A lot of people know that BB is not an idiot. Modell was the idiot. They deserved each other...its just that Cleveland didn't deserve either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 With some of the decisions that Clevelands ownership has made over the years do actually think that Bradys career would have been the same in Cleveland? No....but it sounds like you think that Spergon Wynn's career would have been the same as Brady's if he had been taken by the Pats then. If Brady was drafted by the Browns today , yes I believe that the chance of Brady succeeding is almost a given since I firmly believe that Cleveland has a very bright GM in Sashi Brown. I thought that the last draft was superb and FA moves are going to produce wins. I dont smoke anything or do drugs. There are certain evidentiary contraindications to your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 No, Modell is an idiot. Just like Jerry Jones and Danny Synder. Worse....those guys are financially competent....Modell was not. Its why he was kicked out of the league. Browns Mopar is on the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 The Pats still had Bledsoe and Wynn would never have beat him out. Besides you made that statement for me. I was wondering the same about you. A few too many drink at lunch. Brady didn't technically beat Bledsoe out when he took over. Bledsoe got hurt, remember. If it wasn't Brady taking over then it would have been someone, possibly even Spergon Wynn. But it was Brady who happened to be there. Then Brady took off. But...you see...NOW you are agreeing with me: It was Tom Brady's talent that allowed him to take control of that team...and NOT BBs "system". You admit now that Spergon Wynn would not have accomplished the same as TB in BBs "system"....ergo...it is Brady's talent...not BBs system that was pre-eminent in that team's success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 All 3 are incessant meddlers who could and cannot stay out of football operations. Bob Kraft meddled in the draft and that is why Parcells quit. OK...but still.....Snyder, Jones and Kraft were fiscally responsible meddlers...Modell was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Im not sure what I have agreed to. Its like Im on the witness stand trying to defend myself for things I did not say. Bottom line is that you agreed that I am right. No more need be said. Browns Mopar is on the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 PM sent to BrownsMopar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I dont remember that. Alzheimers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 No, i strive to only remember facts. But your Alzheimers prevents you from doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I dont recall being diagnosed with Alzheimers. Early onset, apparently. Undiagnosed. Point is: you said that it was BBs system that has been responsible for the Pats success. I said it is the talent of Tom Brady. I said that if it was BBs system, then they would have been just as successful without Brady..even with Spergon Wynn. You said that when Bledsoe went down that Tom Brady took control of the QB spot. You said that Spergon Wynn would not have beaten out Bledsoe....but you admit that Tom Brady did. Ergo...it was NOT the system that BB ran......it was the talent of Tom Brady that has won for them all these years. You agreed with that with your implication that Wynn could not have been successful where Brady was. Ergo...you implicitly agree with me that it is Tom Brady's talent, not Bill B's system that is primarily responsible for their Championship success. If you have to write this down to remember it, that's OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Modell still gets a lot of hits. If you are going to slam him for being financially irresponsible, then the same insults apply to Bernie Kosar. Honestly, people celebrated what a financial wizard he was, and his bank account turned into Wargogay's. Modell accomplished a lot of great things, both for the NFL and for the Browns. He will forever be a bastard because he fired Paul Brown, even though it was the right decision and any owner would have done the same. Demonize the guy all you want but he brought fans a lot of great football, and he personally chose and forced the FO to take some damn good players, Greg Pruitt being one of them. Like it or not, the guy was an integral part of the good times. His financial woes at the end of his life, to me, were sad. That he didn't have the relationships around him with the city and state, to me draw shame on everyone involved. They all screwed us. This 2017 team is going to be the most pivotal ever. Another 1 - 15 performance, and you can kiss football in Cleveland goodbye. I don't see Haslam selling, as who the fuck would want to buy an NFL team after another year of failure. If these guys suck, Haslam will go into win prevention mode, not that he hasn't already been there. Seriously, after all the talk of analytics, youth, assests, money ball, etc.......if 2017 isn't markedly better, the stadium will be a ghost town in 2018. You guys got your OL, you got your avoidance of top name QB, you got your refusal of big name WRs, and RBs. If this turns out to be shit, what could the team possibly say about 2018? Seriously, after all this smoke and mirrors shit, another 1 - 15? How could the franchise ever expect someone to believe that "next year is the year". I am going to be supportive. I'll drink the Cool-aid, but 0 - 4 0 - 6 for sure, I'll spit it out and be done. Modell has nothing to do with this predicament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!! ~~~~ HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO FINISH THE FIRST ROUND!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???!?!?!??!??!?! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I can't take it any longer... I'm gonna call it Gip! ~ With the #11 pick, the last of the first round. Brownsmopar selects- HOF WR - Jerry Rice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I can't take it any longer... I'm gonna call it Gip! ~ With the #11 pick, the last of the first round. Brownsmopar selects- HOF WR - Jerry Rice Good pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsnMopar Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Sorry guys pt job driving Amish has me working 12-14 hour days and in Pennsylvania's no signal zone....my bad, but retired with money is better than the vicey versey!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I can't take it any longer... I'm gonna call it Gip! ~ With the #11 pick, the last of the first round. Brownsmopar selects- HOF WR - Jerry Rice Not your call to make...so at this point, I am not recording it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Sorry guys pt job driving Amish has me working 12-14 hour days and in Pennsylvania's no signal zone....my bad, but retired with money is better than the vicey versey!!! And yet, you still did not make your pick even though you posted here. So be it. I will let the pick of Jerry Rice stand. (it makes the most sense anyway....if that had not been the pick made here, I would have done the same with my next pick....but now I gotta figure out who to take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 With the 12th pick in the All Time NFL draft, the selection is: DICK BUTKUS, Linebacker, Chicago Bears (I belabored over this for several minutes...I had like a dozen candidates that I was considering. Besides Butkus there were 6QBs...Elway, Unitas, Favre, Peyton, Baugh, Marino, plus OL Bruce Matthew and Anthony Munoz, plus DL Bruce Smith and Deacon Jones, plus Ray Lewis....but go with Butkus) BOO is on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsnMopar Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I ASSumed the jerry rice pick was recorded!!!!!!! Hence why when posting I did not pick.....grow up Aint saying sorry again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I ASSumed the jerry rice pick was recorded!!!!!!! Hence why when posting I did not pick.....grow up Aint saying sorry again! OK, it just wasn't clear that you went along with it. TexasAg is on the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsnMopar Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 OK, it just wasn't clear that you went along with it. TexasAg is on the clock For what its worth it was Rice or Butkis. So YES I am ok with it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 And #14 is Johnny F'n Football................a.k.a. ..................Johnny Unitas, QB, Baltimore Colts. Ghoolie said he wanted OL Mike Webster @#15 if no one had him by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 And #14 is Johnny F'n Football................a.k.a. ..................Johnny Unitas, QB, Baltimore Colts. Ghoolie said he wanted OL Mike Webster @#15 if no one had him by then. I will record it thus. By the way....Webster is really not a bad pick. According to pro football reference, Webster is the #31 most productive player in NFL history. Only 3 offensive linemen were ranked ahead of him: Bruce Matthew, Anthony Munoz, and Randall McDaniel. Woody is on the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Another two full days dicking around waiting for Woody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Peyton Manning. I was legitimately considering some older players, but my team needs a QB At least one of you was bright enough to PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Is there a "to date" summary anywhere or do we have to read 8 pages to see who has been drafted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Is there a "to date" summary anywhere or do we have to read 8 pages to see who has been drafted? Page 1 Mud,no egg timers allowed.Tell the pooch Happy Mud adoption week.How old & hows the pooch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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