SkippinTurtles Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Both Washington Huskies. Prospects like Vea are VERY rare. Take him, no one's running up the middle and the pocket push would be relentless. Constant double-teams freeing up the linebackers to stuff the run and allowing the edge rushers to get to the QB. Nothing worse than a defense that's soft up the middle. Vea and Shelton in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 The guy that stood out when I watched a few pac12 games was hercules mataafa. He just won pac12 defensive poty. DE at only 255lbs. plays like a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Vea is definitely nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 ins't he projected as top 10? And is another DT absolutely necessary? if we're gonna address front 7 high in the draft irritatingly enough it's gotta be another DE cause Ogbah/Nassib/orchard ain't gonna cut it. But if we address DE in FA, than yeah I would consider a DT with the Texans pick unless there's a very high value secondary player. Our secondary is the most pressing need on the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 And cue up the first BPA vs. need "discussion" of the 2018 Draft.... the first of 2,371 such discussions. Somewhere around #1785 someone, likely me, will say, "Don't forget about positional importance." *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippinTurtles Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Vea and Shelton would give this team two unblockable monsters in the middle like no other NFL team. Great teams set trends. Losing teams play catch-up. Centers and guards wouldn't know what hit 'em. Push up the middle disrupts any offense. Build the defense inside out. Shelton was a great pick. Give him a brother in arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 If we're looking at a DT... Maybe we can take PFFs highest rated player overall from this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, MLD Woody said: If we're looking at a DT... Maybe we can take PFFs highest rated player overall from this season? Already ahead of you. Been watching him wondering what kind of 3tech id like to see for this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Nobody from Michigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Already ahead of you. Been watching him wondering what kind of 3tech id like to see for this defense. Mo Hurst is an animal. After the DTs we took last year though, I'm not seeing us taking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Id use hurst as a DE in some packages. Line him up at the 4-5 spot. My ideal d is a 4-3 with one of the DE's in that 3-4 5T mold. Basically a watt type u line up either over the tackle or shaded to the outside shoulder. U can have the wide tech guy on the other side. That gives u one guy who rushes up high and the other guy who cuts a tighter power edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Remember you saying that was the Harrison guy you wanted? Well, Mo actually fits that description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Hey, if they want to draft Mo I won't stop them, we just have bigger needs. QB then DB in the top 10 is more likely. And Mo will be gone earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippinTurtles Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 For the record, was anyone here a fan of Siragusa and Adams on the 2000 Ravens D. I get they were run-stuffers, but I think what they opened up for the rest of the defense made up for the lack of pass-rush. You can't double young Vea, Shelton AND Garrett. All day? Unlikely. Line of scrimmage controlled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, SkippinTurtles said: For the record, was anyone here a fan of Siragusa and Adams on the 2000 Ravens D. I get they were run-stuffers, but I think what they opened up for the rest of the defense made up for the lack of pass-rush. You can't double young Vea, Shelton and Garrett. Most O-Lines couldn't handle all 3. If any. Don't think you're taking into consideration the evolution of the passing game in 17 years coupled with the fact our defense doesn't have Ray, Boulware, Sharper, Woodson or McAlister walking through that door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 9:28 PM, tiamat63 said: Remember you saying that was the Harrison guy you wanted? Well, Mo actually fits that description. i'd be happy with both but prob have to spend that 2nd 1st rounder on hurst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Bear defense ftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippinTurtles Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 43 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Don't think you're taking into consideration the evolution of the passing game in 17 years coupled with the fact our defense doesn't have Ray, Boulware, Sharper, Woodson or McAlister walking through that door. Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw. Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle. D-Line trumps secondary. Can't cover without pressure. Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker. They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out. Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, SkippinTurtles said: Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw. Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle. D-Line trumps secondary. Can't cover without pressure. Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker. They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out. Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board. Off the top of my head - Aaron Donald, Campbell, Easley, Mike Daniels, Cox, Grady Garrett and Sheldon Richardson might have a beef with what you just said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: i'd be happy with both but prob have to spend that 2nd 1st rounder on hurst. Not so sure about that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, tiamat63 said: Not so sure about that right now. I thought I read Hurst is projected mid'ish 1st round.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Clevfan4life said: I thought I read Hurst is projected mid'ish 1st round.... Well, I've watched Penn State, Florida and as I type vs Sparty. All this season. I see good Sheet here and there, but - I don't think I'm watching the next Aaron Donald either. Right now I'm just jotting down thoughts as I go. I'm sure I'll watch all these twice with the proper pauses and get into more detail then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Well, I've watched Penn State, Florida and as I type vs Sparty. All this season. I see good Sheet here and there, but - I don't think I'm watching the next Aaron Donald either. Right now I'm just jotting down thoughts as I go. I'm sure I'll watch all these twice with the proper pauses and get into more detail then. that phillips kid could be a later round steal. That guy is NFL strong right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: that phillips kid could be a later round steal. That guy is NFL strong right now. Well I'm looking more at players that can be interior pass rushers even if it just means subpackages. This defense desperately needs to be able to pressure the QB outside of sending a 5th & 6th man. Danny, Jobi, Coley, Jamie - they're all 1 gap pluggers. And you need those kind of boys, but I'm trying to find somebody like Brantley that might be able to come in and add to our rotation with interior penetration. That bigs with the swim moves. Harrison would be an upgrade over Meder without a question. I don't think he can turn his legs like Jobi or Coley. I've got two videos going for comparison and I keep hearing about this Wilkins kid from Clemson and the 'stud' he is. Auburn appears to be handling him quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippinTurtles Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 23 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: Off the top of my head - Aaron Donald, Campbell, Easley, Mike Daniels, Cox, Grady Garrett and Sheldon Richardson might have a beef with what you just said. Exceptions to the rule. High motor great athletes. Stuff the middle. Go speculate on fringe pro prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, SkippinTurtles said: Exceptions to the rule. High motor great athletes. Stuff the middle and speculate on fringe college prospects. Drew Brees is an exception to a rule. Russel Wilson is an exception to a rule. Know why? They're are so Shmucking few exceptions. Meanwhile I can go back as far as my memory will take me with football to talking about John Randle saying it was his job to sack Brett Favre, even when he wasn't playing the Pack. There is a LONG history of undersized interior lineman using their quicks, strength and balance to terrorize offensive lineman. Meanwhile there are plenty "great athletes" that don't pan out at a ton of positions. You have next to nothing to back up your argument. Meanwhile I can still toss out names like Atkins, Bosa, Bennett, Williams on a second round of thought just to further prove mine. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Clevfan4life said: I thought I read Hurst is projected mid'ish 1st round.... We wouldn't need to take him at Houston's pick, but he won't get out of the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 In 2016 draft watched Falcons start building a defense with first 2 picks. At #17 a Safty Keanu Neal. 2nd Round pick #52 a OLB from LSU that can Cover than bang a ball carrier,Deion Jones(did ya watch saints/falcons?) We still need both & Peppers out of centerfield.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippinTurtles Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle. If they can single block your tackles, your edge rushers are facing more double-teams. Less pass-rush = more time in coverage. Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary. All the top defensive backs in this draft class are 4.5 40 guys with no ball skills. No Aaron Donald's in this class either. Draft Vea and push the pocket for the next decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, SkippinTurtles said: Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle. Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary. No Aaron Donald's in this class either. So it's as easy as 1-2-3.... except there is no #3 at the end of the rainbow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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