Can Brady win if he has to do it on his own merit?

[The Gipper]

9 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

And really if the AAFC was so superior why were only 3 teams admitted to the nfl? - key word, admitted not merged like the AFL was, and one of those teams folded. True the other two teams had great runs - the browns immediately and then never again...and the 49ers 30 years later but still. It was a different league and it never merged with the NFL. 

Actually...it did, because you again....got your facts wrong.  Now is your opportunity to listen and learn.

 It was a merger....though not a "complete" merger...as was the case with the AFL a decade or so later.  

Those 3 teams were merged into the NFL as teams....but FYI...the other AFL teams merged into NFL teams.   Believe it or not...the Cleveland Browns actually merged with the AAFC Buffalo Bills.    The LA Dons merged with the LA Rams.  Etc.   But since I don't want to type all this out, I will just paste the information on here....so you can learn:

 

 

 AAFC–NFL merger 

 

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The 1950 NFL season was the 31st regular seasonof the National Football League. The merger with the All-America Football Conference (AAFC) expanded the league to 13 teams. Meanwhile, television brought a new era to the game. The Los Angeles Rams became the first NFL team to have all of its games – both home and away – televised. The Washington Redskins became the second team to put their games on TV. Other teams arranged to have selected games televised.

 

The AAFC–NFL merger

The NFL and the AAFC merged prior to the season, announced on December 9, 1949.^[1] [2] Three AAFC teams — Cleveland Browns, San Francisco 49ers, and Baltimore Colts — joined the NFL intact. The players of the former AAFC New York Yankees team were divided up between theNew York Giants and the New York Bulldogs (who changed their name toNew York Yanks), the Los Angeles Dons and Los Angeles Rams merged, and a portion of the AAFC Buffalo Bills was absorbed into the Browns organization. A special draft was then held by the league's 13 teams to allocate the rest of the AAFC players.

The 13 teams were realigned into the American and National conferences, which lasted for three seasons. The merged league briefly flirted with the name "National-American Football League",^[1] [2] but restored the name "National Football League" a few months later. Under the alignment, both conferences had a team in New York and Chicago. The "American Conference" (formerly the Eastern Division) had six teams including the Giants and the Cardinals, and the "National Conference" (the old Western Division) had seven teams including the Yanks and the Bears, as well as the Baltimore Colts.

Baltimore was declared a "swing team" and played one game against each of the other 12 NFL clubs. The original intent of the merger was to have the popular Cleveland Browns serve as this team for two years to equally help gate receipts throughout the league, however, this was refused point blank by Paul Brown. Over a 13-week season, one team was idle each week while the other 12 met in the six scheduled games. Each team played a home-and-away game against the other five teams in their conference, one game outside the conference, and one game against Baltimore over the course of a 12-game schedule.

The league also established the Pro Bowl in the 1950 season. Though the league had attempted an all-star game annually between 1938 and 1942, it had cancelled the game because of World War II and did not revive it when the war ended. Unlike the previous all-star game format, which pitted the league's most recent champion against the league's best all-stars, the Pro Bowl would pit two all-star teams, one from each conference, against each other.

Also, the 1950 season saw the first game played outside the United States when the New York Giants played the Ottawa Rough Riders of theInterprovincial Rugby Football Union in an exhibition match on August 12. The Giants and Rough Riders would repeat the feat in 1951; the Giants handily won both games.

Major rule changes

• The free substitution rule (any or all of the players may be replaced by substitutes after any play) was restored on a permanent basis. This change paved the way for player specialization in pro football, including three separate units for each team: offensive team, defensive team, and special teams.
• If a backwards pass or fumble goes out of bounds before it is recovered, the team that had control of the ball last maintains possession.

Regular season highlights

• Week One The opening game of the 1950 NFL season was a matchup between the defending champions of the AAFC and the NFL, theCleveland Browns and the Philadelphia Eagles, respectively. The teams had never met prior to September 16, 1950, and a crowd of 71,237 turned out in Philadelphia. The Browns won 35–10. The First Fifty Years, a 1969 book that chronicles the first half-century of the NFL, listed the game as one of "Ten [Games] That Mattered" in bringing nationwide prestige to the league.^[3]
• In Week Three (October 1), the New York Giants handed the Browns their first shutout ever, winning 6–0 in Cleveland while grounding Otto Graham's passing attack.
• In Week Five (October 15), the Steelers beat the Giants 17–6 at the Polo Grounds, knocking them out of the American Conference lead. The other New York team, the Yanks, had a share of the lead in the National Conference after a 29–24 win in Yankee Stadium over the 49ers, but only 5,740 fans turned out to watch.
• The Browns-Giants rematch took place on October 22 in Week Six in New York, and the Giants won again, 17–13. In the west, the Coltsscored four touchdowns against the Rams, but the Rams had ten in a 70–27 blowout.
• Los Angeles had a 65–24 win over Detroit in Week Seven (October 29), which saw the Eagles reclaim the lead in their conference with a 35–3 win over Washington and the Giants' 17–3 loss to the Cardinals. In the other New York-Chicago game, the Yanks raised their record to 6–1–0 with a 38–27 win over the Bears.
• The Yanks were idle in Week Eight (November 6), in which field goals played a prominent role. Pittsburgh's Joe Geri booted all the points in the Steelers' 9–7 win over the Eagles, and the Giants' Ray Poole made a 40-yard kick with 0:04 left to beat Washington 24–21. The Browns regained the lead of the American conference in a 10–7 win over the Cards, with the margin being a Lou Groza field goal.
• In Week Nine (November 13), the New York Yanks lost their rematch with the Bears, 28–20, putting both teams at 6–2, while the Rams took the lead in the National with a 45–7 win over Green Bay. Meanwhile, former AAFC teams Cleveland and San Francisco met for the first time in the NFL, with the Browns winning 34–17 to stay in front in the American.
• A crowd of 42,673 turned out at Yankee Stadium to watch the New York Yanks, who lost to the Rams 43–35 in Week Ten (November 20), as L.A. and Cleveland kept their leads.
• The big game of Week Eleven on November 27 was in Chicago, where the Bears took a 24–0 lead over the Rams on the way to a 24–14 win, and a half game lead (8–2 vs. 8–3) over them in the National Conference. Cleveland had a bye week, and the Giants 7–3 win over the Eagles tied them with the Browns in the American, with 8–2 records.
• On December 3, 1950, all six of the Week Twelve games had significance. Taunted as a team that couldn't win a game without passing, the Cleveland Browns won again against the Eagles, 13–7, this time without Otto Graham attempting a pass. There were 17 punt returns, 12 by Philadelphia, both records. In New York, George Taliaferro had a record 8 kickoff returns for the Yanks in a 51–7 loss to the Giants. Both the Browns and Giants stayed tied in the American Conference with records of 9–2–0. Bill Dudley of Washington returned a punt 96 yards for a touchdown in a 24–7 win over the Steelers. In the National Conference, Cloyce Box of Detroit had 302 yards receiving, one yard short of the NFL record, in a 45–21 win over Baltimore. Tom Fears had an NFL record 18 pass receptions for the Rams in a 51–14 win over Green Bay and a 9–3–0 record to lead the division. Meanwhile, the Bears were upset by the crosstown Cardinals, 20–10, dropping them to 8–3–0, a half game behind L.A.
• In the final week, Week Thirteen, the Browns, Giants and Bears were all in must-win situations, while the Rams had finished their season at 9–3–0. The Bears, at 8–3–0, were tied 3–3 with the Lions after three quarters. George Blanda booted a 22-yard field goal and Chicago held on for a 6–3 win to give them a 9–3–0 record and a tie for the National Conference title with the Rams. The Browns and Giants were both at 9–2–0, and both were playing on the road. Cleveland handled Washington 45–21, while the Giants had to fight off numerous drives by Philadelphia to protect a 9–7 win. With ties for first place in both conferences, the NFL title game had to be delayed a week while an unprecedented four team playoff took place. The Giants and Browns would meet in Cleveland, while the Bears and the Rams would meet in Los Angeles.

Conference races

Week	National		American
1	3 teams (Bears, Det, NYY)	1–0–0	3 teams (Cle, NYG, Was)	1–0–0
2	Tie: (Bears, Lions)	2–0–0	Cleveland Browns	2–0–0
3	4 teams (Bears, Det, GB, LA)	2–1–0	New York Giants	2–0–0
4	3 teams (Bears, Det, NYY)	3–1–0	New York Giants	3–0–0
5	Tie: (Bears, Yanks)	4–1–0	Cleveland Browns	4–1–0
6	New York Yanks	5–1–0	Tie: (Giants, Phi)	4–1–0
7	New York Yanks	6–1–0	Philadelphia Eagles	5–1–0
8	New York Yanks	6–1–0	Cleveland Browns	6–2–0
9	Los Angeles Rams	7–2–0	Cleveland Browns	7–2–0
10	Los Angeles Rams	8–2–0	Cleveland Browns	8–2–0
11	Chicago Bears	8–2–0	Tie: (Browns, Giants)	8–2–0
12	Los Angeles Rams	9–3–0	Tie: (Browns, Giants)	9–2–0
13	Tie: (Bears, Rams)	9–3–0	Tie: (Browns, Giants)	10–2–0

Final standings

W = Wins, L = Losses, PCT= Winning Percentage, PF= Points For, PA = Points Against

American Conference
Team	W	L	PCT	PF	PA
Cleveland Browns	10	2	.833	310	144
New York Giants	10	2	.833	268	150
Philadelphia Eagles	6	6	.500	254	141
Pittsburgh Steelers	6	6	.500	180	195
Chicago Cardinals	5	7	.417	233	287
Washington Redskins	3	9	.250	232	326

National Conference
Team	W	L	PCT	PF	PA
Los Angeles Rams	9	3	.750	466	309
Chicago Bears	9	3	.750	279	207
New York Yanks	7	5	.583	366	367
Detroit Lions	6	6	.500	321	285
Green Bay Packers	3	9	.250	244	406
San Francisco 49ers	3	9	.250	213	300
Baltimore Colts	1	11	.083	213	462

 

Playoffs

See: 1950 NFL playoffs The only scheduled playoff game was the championship game. The two conference playoffs were tiebreakers.

 

American Conference Playoff Game

• CLEVELAND 8, N.Y. Giants 3

National Conference Playoff Game

• LOS ANGELES 24, Chi. Bears 14

NFL Championship Game

• CLEVELAND 30, Los Angeles 28

League leaders

Statistic	Name	Team	Yards
Passing	Bobby Layne	Detroit	2323
Rushing	Marion Motley	Cleveland	810
Receiving	Tom Fears	Los Angeles	1116

NFL records set or tied in 1950

• Most points per game, season (min 10 games), 38.83

 

• Most games scoring 50+ points, season, 3^[4]

 

Los Angeles Rams

• Most points, single team, one quarter, 41 (tied)

 

• Most points, both teams, third quarter, 48

 

• Fewest field goals, season (Since 1932), 0 (tied)

 

 

[The Gipper]

1 minute ago, The Cysko Kid said:

By the way whatever legal wrangling might have been done, the team that won those 4 NFL titles currently resides in Baltimore. What the team in Cleveland is doing is wearing a skin suit like buffalo bill in silence of the lambs and pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. It's possible to create a law that legally makes a transgender man a woman but they doesn't mean he really is. 

Now you are just demonstrating that you are just a stupid KHUNT....and unwilling to learn or worry about actual fact.  Very Trumpish of you.

[The Gipper]

9 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

Gee whiz, gip, you're not arrogant and pretentious at all, buddy. Let's put it this way; you can't figure out how to stop your phone from doubling everything you say. Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do.

It is NOT arrogance or pretension.    It is purely education, knowledge, and accuracy.  Sorry that those things do not play a part in your life.

[The Cysko Kid]

You ever think I might just be winding you up a little bit with that last one you twat? You've got to be the worst lawyer in the world at arguing with a cool head. 

[The Cysko Kid]

And...the browns still only have four championships that anyone is going to acknowledge. 

[The Gipper]

8 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

No one cares about titles in a defunct league. If the WBA champion wins a title in mid-south backyard boxing championships nobody is going to recognize that because it's Horse$hit

Care?   Does anyone care about anything?  Do you care who won the NFL champion in 1977...or 1985...or 1991?   Do you really, truly CARE.  Do you take that information to your bosom and caress and hold it, like a new puppy?   

It is all just historical accuracy.  I mean you can care about it or not.  What you care or think about it is irrelevant.  The facts are still the fact.  You can't change them, neither can I.

(by the way...the North won the Civil War.....but there are some troglodytes out there that would like to change that fact...are you one?)

(by the way also....1977...it was the Cowboys...1985..the Bears...1991 the Redskins.....do you care?)

[The Gipper]

5 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

You ever think I might just be winding you up a little bit with that last one you twat? You've got to be the worst lawyer in the world at arguing with a cool head. 

I am not wound up at all....I am just pointing out where you are wrong...and when you are being stupid. 

On the other hand, if you want to disavow all of your silly positions and assumptions, you are free to do so.  It still won't change any of the facts. 

The only thing I am wound up about now is that I am hungry...and want to grab a bite to eat...so I will.

[The Cysko Kid]

You're so edgy gip. You're a real old edgelord with your Trump business. And for what it's worth you're talking to possibly the only other guy on here (possibly, I'm not gonna pull a gipson and pretend I know Sheet I don't) that has made a point to spend my own vacations visiting civil war sites. So, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Gippy two times. 

[The Cysko Kid]

The fact is the entity currently legally known as the Cleveland browns plays in the NFL where they have won four titles. 

[The Gipper]

4 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

And...the browns still only have four championships that anyone is going to acknowledge. 

Its OK by me if you want to continue to show your ignorance.  I mean...tell us truly....are you really in your heart a Steeler fan?   I mean.. you fit in perfectly.  Why not just be honest to your nature and look yourself in the mirror by channelling your inner Stuart Smalley and say:  ".I'm dumb enough, I'm stupid enough and I'm foolish enough to be a Steeler fan. So Doggone it, that's what I'm gonna be".

[Gunz41]

29 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

 

Actually in NO instance did I reference the NFL rulebook. But whatever.

Like I said, don't have to prove a thing to you. I know what I know.

And you think you know more about everything. You know more than countless ex NFL players, current NFL players, and analysts on the play.

So you win. You know more than me, them, and everyone in the world. The receiver ran himself out of bounds, did 10 cartwheels, and used his magnetic body to get the DBs hands on him. In fact, it was the best coverage I have ever seen in any football game in my life. And by that I mean the 2 football games I have seen in my life. I know nothing about the game, I am just so in awe of your vast knowledge of every aspect of the game, and every subject that is discussed on here.

Good day and God bless 

[The Gipper]

3 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

You're so edgy gip. You're a real old edgelord with your Trump business. And for what it's worth you're talking to possibly the only other guy on here (possibly, I'm not gonna pull a gipson and pretend I know Sheet I don't) that has made a point to spend my own vacations visiting civil war sites. So, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Gippy two times. 

I think there are a few others that do the Civil War thing.   But I am actually more into the Revolutionary War sites..and even 1812 battle sites. .....which are not as spread out.

[The Gipper]

2 minutes ago, Gunz41 said:

Actually in NO instance did I reference the NFL rulebook. But whatever.

Like I said, don't have to prove a thing to you. I know what I know.

And you think you know more about everything. You know more than countless ex NFL players, current NFL players, and analysts on the play.

So you win. You know more than me, them, and everyone in the world. The receiver ran himself out of bounds, did 10 cartwheels, and used his magnetic body to get the DBs hands on him. In fact, it was the best coverage I have ever seen in any football game in my life. And by that I mean the 2 football games I have seen in my life. I know nothing about the game, I am just so in awe of your vast knowledge of every aspect of the game, and every subject that is discussed on here.

Good day and God bless 

I just know what I see and what I don't see.   And, like I said...it was YOU who gave the perfect description of what happened on that play.  So...credit yourself.

[The Gipper]

To digress a bit.....I still have a few "older" wars sites to visit...in terms of National Park unit.

For the Civil War...I have not been to the Pea Ridge Battlefield in northwest Arkansas...but I am scheduled to go there later this summer.  

The other Civil War site is, believe it or not....in New Mexico. Yep, they fought a Civil War battle in New Mexico.   Called the Pecos National Historic site.

For the War of 1812.... I have not actually been to the site of the Battle of New Orleans.

There are also a few "Indian Wars" sites I have not been to, like the Nez Perce site in Idaho.....Knife River in N. Dakota..and maybe a couple of other.

[The Cysko Kid]

37 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Its OK by me if you want to continue to show your ignorance.  I mean...tell us truly....are you really in your heart a Steeler fan?   I mean.. you fit in perfectly.  Why not just be honest to your nature and look yourself in the mirror by channelling your inner Stuart Smalley and say:  ".I'm dumb enough, I'm stupid enough and I'm foolish enough to be a Steeler fan. So Doggone it, that's what I'm gonna be".

Nope. I only root against the Steelers hence my support for the Patriots. They won't be able to claim no one has six super bowls soon. 

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said:

Nope. I only root against the Steelers hence my support for the Patriots. They won't be able to claim no one has six super bowls soon. 

Ah...but, you see, here you go.   Who cares about 6 titles when the Packers hold 13, the Bears 9, the Giants and the Browns 8.   If you get with the historical accuracy program...you would not be so vexed as you are.

[The Cysko Kid]

Like three people give a $hit Gipper. You are failing to realize that pre merger NFL titles mean little and AAFC even less than that. 

Michigan attempts to claim 11 national championships but everyone knows they have 1/2 of one in 1997 because leather helmet championships that predate the forward pass dont mean anything. It wasn't even the same game 

[The Cysko Kid]

Current browns fans can't hang their hats on aafc titles. The NFL doesn't recognize them. Not to mention my mother wasn't even born when Otto Graham retired. 

[The Gipper]

36 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

Like three people give a $hit Gipper. You are failing to realize that pre merger NFL titles mean little and AAFC even less than that. 

Michigan attempts to claim 11 national championships but everyone knows they have 1/2 of one in 1997 because leather helmet championships that predate the forward pass dont mean anything. It wasn't even the same game 

Trust me...I realize everything.  Again....people  give as much a shite about the Super Bowls I retorted as they do about those titles......Those titles mean just as much as the Super Bowls won in the 70s and 80s...that is...very little. 

(And the fact is  the NFL game played in the 70s and 80s is actually closer to the way the game was played in the 40s and 50s than it is to today's game.).

Again...you must have Steeler genes in you with your attitude.  Why it is a source of pride for you to proclaim, essentially: "I am a Steeler fan stoolie" is beyond me. 

[The Gipper]

41 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

Current browns fans can't hang their hats on aafc titles. The NFL doesn't recognize them. Not to mention my mother wasn't even born when Otto Graham retired. 

All that is is an admission that you are young and ignorant. 

My mother wasn't born when Abraham Lincoln died.   Does that mean that that history doesn't count...doesn't exist...never happened? 

When your Dad put his penis in your mother to cause your birth...was he thinking...."my offspring will be born into a world where nothing in the world never will be considered to have happened before his birth. 

You seem to be an example of why some people should never be allowed to have children.

And current Browns fans only have 0-16 to hang their hats on.....so, does it matter when, where the Browns may have won...other than for purposes of historical accuracy.  If the Browns would win next year, people 50 years ago would not hang their hats on that old moldy title from 2018 (as if)......but if the Browns win....even 50 years from now...it would still be an accurate historical fact that they won. Plain and simple.

[TexasAg1969]

5 hours ago, The Cysko Kid said:

You're so edgy gip. You're a real old edgelord with your Trump business. And for what it's worth you're talking to possibly the only other guy on here (possibly, I'm not gonna pull a gipson and pretend I know Sheet I don't) that has made a point to spend my own vacations visiting civil war sites. So, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Gippy two times. 

I don't spend all vacations doing that, but I have been to Chicamauga, Lookout Mountain/Chattanooga, Gettysburg, Shiloh, Vicksburg, Keenesaw Mountain, Shenandoah Valley (following some of Stonewall's campaigns). The Bloody Angle at Kennesaw was the most impressive and well worth reading first hand accounts. At Shiloh I visited where my great, great uncle was left on the field for dead with gunshot wounds to both legs and then the first ever battlefield forward surgical hospital where they saved his life without amputation.

[The Cysko Kid]

16 hours ago, The Gipper said:

All that is is an admission that you are young and ignorant. 

My mother wasn't born when Abraham Lincoln died.   Does that mean that that history doesn't count...doesn't exist...never happened? 

When your Dad put his penis in your mother to cause your birth...was he thinking...."my offspring will be born into a world where nothing in the world never will be considered to have happened before his birth. 

You seem to be an example of why some people should never be allowed to have children.

And current Browns fans only have 0-16 to hang their hats on.....so, does it matter when, where the Browns may have won...other than for purposes of historical accuracy.  If the Browns would win next year, people 50 years ago would not hang their hats on that old moldy title from 2018 (as if)......but if the Browns win....even 50 years from now...it would still be an accurate historical fact that they won. Plain and simple.

You're equating Abraham Lincoln...and the browns championships in another league that doesn't exist and isnt recognized by the league we do play in. 

 

Cool. Got it. You succeeded, not in convincing me you're right but making me not give a $hit at all about the browns' ancient championships NFL or AAFC. I suppose in the ambulance chaser world that's a win.

[The Gipper]

1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said:

You're equating Abraham Lincoln...and the browns championships in another league that doesn't exist and isnt recognized by the league we do play in. 

 

Cool. Got it. You succeeded, not in convincing me you're right but making me not give a $hit at all about the browns' ancient championships NFL or AAFC. I suppose in the ambulance chaser world that's a win.

I am equating accurate history with accurate history.   If you don't like your history accurate...I don't know....go join the Society for the Perpetuation of the Confederacy....or the Perpetuation of the Third Reich.  

And FYI....no one cares what you do or do not give a $hit about.  Your caring or not won't change history.

[Westside Steve]

For all you ladies crying about the patriots beating the Jaguars and how terribly unfair it all was...

Knocking out one of the team's best players is positively Steeler like. 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/patriots-rob-gronkowski-barry-church-hit-concussion-fine-injury-patriots-eagles-jaguars/1clxc34r8y9k5zy8qapbdmsby

WSS

[The Gipper]

3 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

For all you ladies crying about the patriots beating the Jaguars and how terribly unfair it all was...

Knocking out one of the team's best players is positively Steeler like. 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/patriots-rob-gronkowski-barry-church-hit-concussion-fine-injury-patriots-eagles-jaguars/1clxc34r8y9k5zy8qapbdmsby

WSS

Go eaglesGo eagles

[mjp28]

13 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Go eaglesGo eagles

GO EAGLES! .......well +4 1/2 and over 48, just sayin'.

[Westside Steve]

19 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Go eaglesGo eagles

I only kind of semi hate the Eagles. The one mitigating factor is for all the people who were whining that we didn't take Carson Wentz now see that had good team could be successful with a bum at quarterback.

But again any opportunity for the Patriots to leave the Squealers Legacy in the dirt is good with me.

WSS

[mjp28]

40 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

I only kind of semi hate the Eagles. The one mitigating factor is for all the people who were whining that we didn't take Carson Wentz now see that had good team could be successful with a bum at quarterback.

But again any opportunity for the Patriots to leave the Squealers Legacy in the dirt is good with me.

WSS

True, and the Patriots have already widened the SB appearances up to 10 vs 8, but the total rings would be nice......even though I prefer the Eagles. 

[The Gipper]

22 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

I only kind of semi hate the Eagles. The one mitigating factor is for all the people who were whining that we didn't take Carson Wentz now see that had good team could be successful with a bum at quarterback.

But again any opportunity for the Patriots to leave the Squealers Legacy in the dirt is good with me.

WSS

You remember my old roomie from Law School...Michael Coren?   He was from Philly...and an Eagles fan.  He would always make Sunday Brunch before the football games,  lox and bagels and eggs and we drank screwdrivers...and we would have about a dozen people over to the apartment on Shaker Square. We would obviously watch the Browns...but the second team we would watch if it was on was the Eagles. So I got to kind of liking the Eagles...since they were in the other conference and the Browns rarely played them.   My other roomie, Eichenbaum...remember him?  He too was from eastern PA.  Pottsville I believe.  But he was a Steeler fan because he had gone to undergrad at Pitt in the 70s....and living there in Pittsburgh during their glory years, he FRAKed his way into being a fan of the Squibs.  So, you had a Browns fan, me, and an Eagles fan....Coren....who both hated Pissburgh....who ganged up on him against the Squibs with mutual hatred...but, unfortunately those foookwads did win at least one SB while we roomed together.  

[Zombo]

On 1/25/2018 at 10:06 AM, The Cysko Kid said:

You're equating Abraham Lincoln...and the browns championships in another league that doesn't exist and isnt recognized by the league we do play in. 

 

Cool. Got it. You succeeded, not in convincing me you're right but making me not give a $hit at all about the browns' ancient championships NFL or AAFC. I suppose in the ambulance chaser world that's a win.

The NFL recognizes the Championships of the AFL (1960-69), AAFC (1946-49) and APFA (1920-21).

These are Leagues that were considered as good as the NFL,  and were merged into the NFL.

Packers, Cardinals, Giants, Bears etc all came out of the APFA (Which became the NFL), Browns and and 49ers came out of the AAFC, most of the AFC came out of the AFL. Continuous franchises, same coaches, same players etc.

Paul Brown, Otto Graham and Marion Motley etc. Happened. They were the best, and they proved it when they merged onto the NFL and won that too. It doesn't matter when your Mom was born, it happened. Just like all the other history (WWII, slavery, hoop skirts) it happened, and counts, whether you recognize it or not.

The Browns have 8 Championships. The Patriots have 5. They get to count the AFL. The Steelers have 6. They get to count the "leather helmet years" 1933-46 before the Browns existed.

The Packers have 13, the Bears have 9, and the Giants, like the Browns have 8. The Patriots are tied with the Cowboys, 49ers and Redskins at 5.

It just a fact. If your friend only counts Super Bowls, or if they laugh at you at your local hangout because you go back before Super Bowls, or you don't trust anything that happned before your Mom was born, then by all means just count Super Bowls.

But facts are still facts.

Zombo

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/