bigbaddawgjr Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 What if browns did the unthinkable and draft a QB 1st pick and another QB with 4th pick. I have a feeling lots of teams will be calling on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 As I heard someone say: by doing that, all that a team would produce is a sort of resentment by the #1 pick and a feeling that he was being undermined. I believe that is pretty much true and why it would never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 1st overall maybe one in the later rounds no way I would pass up on a chance to get Chubb if he is there at 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: As I heard someone say: by doing that, all that a team would produce is a sort of resentment by the #1 pick and a feeling that he was being undermined. I believe that is pretty much true and why it would never happen. If the #1 was that insecure, then he was the wrong pick. These kids have been competing at every level, what's one more? Taking the odds of a favorable outcome from 1:1 to 3:1 sure seems like an incentive to do it. That said... any "football guy" GM is going to be confident enough in their choice that they would not spend two high picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: If the #1 was that insecure, then he was the wrong pick. These kids have been competing at every level, what's one more? Taking the odds of a favorable outcome from 1:1 to 3:1 sure seems like an incentive to do it. That said... any "football guy" GM is going to be confident enough in their choice that they would not spend two high picks. Well....I think it was Louis Riddick who made this statement. In theory...he should know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: Well....I think it was Louis Riddick who made this statement. In theory...he should know. Why? I like Louis, but he was neither QB nor a 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Why? I like Louis, but he was neither QB nor a 1st round pick. He was a GM...responsible for such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Gipper said: He was a GM...responsible for such things. Ummmm.... no. Has worked in a couple FOs, but has never been GM. He did interview for the 49er job that Lynch won, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 was hoping for a nice ice cold Draft Beer when opened..But, Ok this got worse rather quickly..So will you ship me a Keg when this don't happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, gumby73 said: was hoping for a nice ice cold Draft Beer when opened..But, Ok this got worse rather quickly..So will you ship me a Keg when this don't happen? Dilly Dilly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Ummmm.... no. Has worked in a couple FOs, but has never been GM. He did interview for the 49er job that Lynch won, however. Assistant then right in the middle of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 9 hours ago, The Gipper said: Well....I think it was Louis Riddick who made this statement. In theory...he should know. Just like the crazy talk of the Patriots trading all the way up to #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 12 hours ago, syd said: 1st overall maybe one in the later rounds no way I would pass up on a chance to get Chubb if he is there at 4 Pick two quarterbacks at #1 & 4, what would they do with Tyler and Stanton, clipboard and PAT holder? From odds shark .com https://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/nfl-draft-prop-betting-odds One of the top five picks to be traded on draft day is +225. Both the New York Giants at No. 2 and Cleveland Browns at No. 4 offer intriguing trade partners for teams that wish to move up. And with the necessity of a quality quarterback on a rookie salary becoming more and more important in the league, you could easily see teams like the Buffalo Bills or Arizona Cardinals selling the farm to move up into the top five to nab a signal-caller. And of course, with the need for young QBs, they have been drafted higher and with more frequency in the last several years. Not since 1999 have five quarterbacks been taken in the first round but that is almost a guarantee this year with Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson. And all five of those guys could go in the top half of the round. That leaves another 16 picks for teams with aging quarterbacks – paging the Steelers, Chargers and Patriots – to reach for the likes of Mason Rudolph. WO WILL BE THE FIRST OVERALL PICKOdds as of April 23 at Sam Darnold -240<--- your odds on 1st pick, CLEVELAND BROWNS Josh Allen +160<----- maybe?? Saquon Barkley +550 Baker Mayfield +1000 Josh Rosen +1800 Bradley Chubb +4500 WHO WILL BE THE SECOND OVERALL PICKOdds as of April 23t Saquon Barkley +190 Bradley Chubb +275 <----- will Chubb survive this pick, probably YES! Sam Darnold +275 Josh Allen +350 Josh Rosen +400 Baker Mayfield +1500 Lamar Jackson +4000 Mason Rudolph +6000 WHO WILL BE THE THIRD OVERALL PICK?Odds as of April 23 at WHO WILL BE THE THIRD OVERALL PICK? (a quarterback? ) Odds as of April 23 at Bovada Josh Rosen +140 Baker Mayfield +160 Sam Darnold +400 Josh Allen +500 Saquon Barkley +550 Bradley Chubb +1100 WHO WILL BE THE FOURTH WHO WILL BE THE FOURTH OVERALL PICK? Odds as of April 23 at Bovada Bradley Chubb -110<----- there it is your pick #4, CLEVELAND BROWNS Any Other Player -130 WL THE TOP 3 PICKS ALL BE QUARTERBACKS WILL THE TOP 3 PICKS ALL BE QUARTERBACKS? Odds as of April 23 at Bovada Yes EVEN No -140 <----- the slight favorite NO! WILL THE TOP 4 PICKS ALL BE QUARTERBACKS? Odds as of April 23 at Bovada WILL THE TOP 4 PICKS ALL BE QUARTERBACKS? Odds as of April 23 at Bovada Yes +800 No -2500 <----- a dramatic NO! Remember too bookmakers #1 rule they do NOT like to lose money so these should be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 WILL ANY OF THE TOP 5 PICKS BE TRADED ON DRAFT DAY? Odds as of April 23 at Bovada Yes +225 No -250 <----- a pretty fair chance NO DRAFT DAY TOP 5 TRADES! NFL DRAFT NFL DRAFT POSITION: SAQUON BARKLEY Odds as of April 23 at Bovada OVER 4.5 +160 UNDER 4.5 -230 CHUBB? OVER 6.5 +185 UNDER 6.5 -280 NFL MAYFIELD? OVER 17.5 -165 UNDER 17.5 +125 NFL DRAFT POSITION: LAMAR JACKSON Odds as of April 23 at Bovada OVER 17.5 -165 UNDER 17.5 +125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 The only bet I’ve placed is Mike Gesicki to be the first TE taken at 5/1 or +600 in your world I’m looking at you Belichik sitting there at 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 It would be hard to pass on Barkley or Chubb at 4. Also, 2 - 1st round QBs means 2 big QB contracts. I dont see 2 QBs happening and after all this time Dorsey will make the right choice. He can draft that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, boo fagley said: It would be hard to pass on Barkley or Chubb at 4. Also, 2 - 1st round QBs means 2 big QB contracts. I dont see 2 QBs happening and after all this time Dorsey will make the right choice. He can draft that is for sure. My crystal ball says we go with Darnold, Giants take Barkey, Jets take a QB and we take Chubb. Broncos have a ton of choices including trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 not a chance the browns take a qb at #1 and #4. Basically, the trade value of whomever "doesn't win" the qb battle goes significantly down the second the browns make the pick because everyone knows they are not going to keep both guys on the roster and there is no way you are going to get the equivalent of the #4 pick for him. Also, more importantly, there just aren't enough "reps" to really see what those guys can do. Especially with an established starter in TT and even if you eliminate Stanton, the number of reps with the #1's is going to be minimal at best. In addition, with the new salary cap rules and rookie scale, the best thing about taking a qb high in the draft is that if you "hit" on them, you have them for 5 years at basically the equivalent of the 16th highest paid qb in the game. That's cheap money that you can use to build the rest of the team. SO why would you want to risk that financially? In case you are wondering, if the browns took Barkley at #1, he would walk in as the #4 highest paid RB in the game before he even touches the ball (Carlos Hyde is already the 9th highest). The financial value of taking a rb that high is "at best" breaking even if he becomes all pro. Finally, taking two qbs in the top 5 basically admits as a GM you can not discover elite talent especially at the QB position. It's the ultimate scarlet letter. Now, I think it is very likely, the browns will take a second qb in this draft, perhaps using their fourth rounder or even trading up into the third (Mike White). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 It's not hard to pass on Chubb because there's a better pure rusher in the draft in Harold Landry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, LondonBrown said: It's not hard to pass on Chubb because there's a better pure rusher in the draft in Harold Landry. Well....that certainly remains to be seen. But I see you are joining the contrarian club that thinks that a lower drafted player will turn out to be as good or better than the higher drafted players. See my Prudent Solutions thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Gipper said: But I see you are joining the contrarian club that thinks that a lower drafted player will turn out to be as good or better than the higher drafted players. Because that's never happened before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, LondonBrown said: Because that's never happened before Yea, just think.....Browns could have had Tom Brady at #1....instead of Courtney Brown. But then....we took ALL these guys that same year over TB: 1 1 CLE Courtney Brown DE 22 2005 0 0 4 28 21 61 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 155 19.0 Penn St. College Stats 2 32 CLE Dennis Northcutt WR 22 2009 0 0 2 41 28 144 0 1 0 0 0 52 366 1 399 4941 18 18 Arizona College Stats 3 79 CLE JaJuan Dawson WR 22 2002 0 0 0 5 3 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 52 664 2 3 Tulane College Stats 3 63 CLE Travis Prentice RB 23 2001 0 0 1 4 4 30 0 0 0 0 0 187 525 9 38 201 1 3 Miami (OH) College Stats 4 110 CLE Aaron Shea TE 23 2005 0 0 1 6 6 65 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 97 851 7 14 Michigan College Stats 4 95 CLE Lewis Sanders DB 22 2008 0 0 0 14 7 97 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 196 5 1.0 Maryland 5 146 CLE Lamar Chapman DB 23 2001 0 0 0 1 1 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 1 Kansas St. College Stats 5 130 CLE Anthony Malbrough 6 183 CLE Spergon Wynn QB 22 2 DB 23 2000 0 0 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 4 hours ago, boo fagley said: Also, 2 - 1st round QBs means 2 big QB contracts. I dont see 2 QBs happening and after all this time Dorsey will make the right choice. He can draft that is for sure. Sure, QBs at 1 and 4 is not a likely scenario, but contracts aren't a factor. Rookie contracts are set by where they are taken in the draft, not the position they play. So for up to five years the impact is known regardless of the positions picked. By year three at the latest you are going to know who your winner is. Hopefully the decision took some thought, which means your runner-up QB has trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 8 hours ago, mjp28 said: WILL ANY OF THE TOP 5 PICKS BE TRADED ON DRAFT DAY? Odds as of April 23 at Bovada Yes +225 No -250 <----- a pretty fair chance NO DRAFT DAY TOP 5 TRADES! Betting on a trade down looks to be the best bet on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said: My crystal ball says we go with Darnold, Giants take Barkey, Jets take a QB and we take Chubb. Broncos have a ton of choices including trade down. Now wasn't that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Sure, QBs at 1 and 4 is not a likely scenario, but contracts aren't a factor. Rookie contracts are set by where they are taken in the draft, not the position they play. So for up to five years the impact is known regardless of the positions picked. By year three at the latest you are going to know who your winner is. Hopefully the decision took some thought, which means your runner-up QB has trade value. NE tore Bradys contract up his 2nd season. The potential for a QB controversy is there if both QBs play good. See Jimmy Garrapolo and Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 hours ago, The Gipper said: Yea, just think.....Browns could have had Tom Brady at #1....instead of Courtney Brown. But then....we took ALL these guys that same year over TB: 1 1 CLE Courtney Brown DE 22 2005 0 0 4 28 21 61 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 155 19.0 Penn St. College Stats 2 32 CLE Dennis Northcutt WR 22 2009 0 0 2 41 28 144 0 1 0 0 0 52 366 1 399 4941 18 18 Arizona College Stats 3 79 CLE JaJuan Dawson WR 22 2002 0 0 0 5 3 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 52 664 2 3 Tulane College Stats 3 63 CLE Travis Prentice RB 23 2001 0 0 1 4 4 30 0 0 0 0 0 187 525 9 38 201 1 3 Miami (OH) College Stats 4 110 CLE Aaron Shea TE 23 2005 0 0 1 6 6 65 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 97 851 7 14 Michigan College Stats 4 95 CLE Lewis Sanders DB 22 2008 0 0 0 14 7 97 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 196 5 1.0 Maryland 5 146 CLE Lamar Chapman DB 23 2001 0 0 0 1 1 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 1 Kansas St. College Stats 5 130 CLE Anthony Malbrough 6 183 CLE Spergon Wynn QB 22 2 DB 23 2000 0 0 0 But- we already had what we thought was going to be our franchise QB in Tim Couch... Now Brady instead of Spergon? I wouldn't feel too bad- the Steelers took Tee Martin, and the 49ers Geno Carmazzi.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 55 minutes ago, boo fagley said: See Jimmy Garrapolo and Brady. First, nice pivot... I accept your surrender on the contract cost issue. How long was Brady's original contract? Three years? There wasn't a CBA back in 2000. There's a meaningful percentage of Pat fans that would rather have kept Jimmy G? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 53 minutes ago, hoorta said: But- we already had what we thought was going to be our franchise QB in Tim Couch... Now Brady instead of Spergon? I wouldn't feel too bad- the Steelers took Tee Martin, and the 49ers Geno Carmazzi.... We did. And Couch may in fact have been a lot better than most people think he was. But he was injured and that killed his career. I am just saying, in hindsight......any team would have likely given up 3 Top 5 draft picks to get the Brady that we know him to have become....More maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 40 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: First, nice pivot... I accept your surrender on the contract cost issue. How long was Brady's original contract? Three years? There wasn't a CBA back in 2000. There's a meaningful percentage of Pat fans that would rather have kept Jimmy G? We shall see how good Garagiola is now that he will be starting a full season. Yes, the evidence is promising.....but then....it also was when Scott Mitchell took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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