calfoxwc Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Pretty sad. Bent Rothlickshisbooger, the ignorant scum, got a 25, and still wasn't smart enough to stay out of trouble allegedly assaulting a gal in a women's restroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 38 Colin Kaepernick That didn't help with the recent sexual 'abuse' charges against him. Didn't Newton get a 21 last year? Now, would anyone take Manziel over Newton? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 38 Colin Kaepernick That didn't help with the recent sexual 'abuse' charges against him. those charges are bullshit. And that will come out. Didn't Newton get a 21 last year? Now, would anyone take Manziel over Newton? I dont see a physical specimen of Newtons caliber in the draft, do you? Seriously? yep, QBs come in all shapes and sizes. Manziel is fun size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 So because there isn't one, we have to get the next thing out there. No. Manziel is going to suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 So because there isn't one, we have to get the next thing out there. No. Manziel is going to suck. I dont think so, and plenty more reputable people agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 I dont think so, and plenty more reputable people agree with me. and plenty more disagree. he prob splits a vote right down the middle. very polarizing character as was tebow. you either love him or hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 and plenty more disagree. he prob splits a vote right down the middle. very polarizing character as was tebow. you either love him or hate him. id say 90% of the boards ive seen have him in the top 20 players overall. Now, with that said, taking him at 4 is risky, but if he starts dropping...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 right now, I'm thinking that Savage, qb, is the better bet. Word is on the NFL channel, that he may work himself into the top of the second round. Which means, the Browns would have to draft him at #26. Crazy draft. Manziel has too many legit questions about the move up to the NFL. Savage is the better bet. BTW, it's said he will be working out for about 24 NFL teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 I dont think theres a Browns fan alive that was clamoring for the first two. But if you want Tom Savage at 26, you may be put in the PoG bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 What is the creepy obsession with statue lumbering doofus QB's and Browns fans? Derek Anderson/Brandon Weeden/Tom Savage? Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers....lumbering doofuses like those guys you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowburn Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 my 12 yo nephew got a 40 on the wonderdick test but seriously, test results to me are meaningless. we all know plenty of underachievers who can ace a test with the best of them but lack what we call common sense. Football savvy can't be assessed through multiple choice, t or f questions or ink dot interpretation. Attention to detail, and the ability to quickly learn new concepts and ideas are far more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 my 12 yo nephew got a 40 on the wonderdick test c'mon man, stop makin up games to get kids to touch you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowburn Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 not on my watch, chim chim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babernakle Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Although I think Johnny is a idiot and will cause nothing but trouble. People still want him because he's a sexy pick. And hope somehow he can bring him play making to the nfl. First off in the nfl everyone is as fast or faster than him, two polarizing characters really bring locker rooms together. And finally it's cold in Cleveland the boy have never played in cold weather...... Ever!!!! Bad pick moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Don't believe the hype about Savage. He's another Weeden, at the end of the day. Big, prototypical pocket passer with below average mobility and accuracy concerns on both deep ball placement and crossing routes who can get flustered under pressure. Only difference is that Savage knows how to read a defense and call audibles, whereas Weeden didn't know what an audible was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Don't believe the hype about Savage. He's another Weeden, at the end of the day. Big, prototypical pocket passer with below average mobility and accuracy concerns on both deep ball placement and crossing routes who can get flustered under pressure. Only difference is that Savage knows how to read a defense and call audibles, whereas Weeden didn't know what an audible was.I like Savage as a 5th or 6th round developmental QB, and the 2nd QB drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 I like Savage as a 5th or 6th round developmental QB, and the 2nd QB drafted. As would I. But some people are talking about him moving into the second round and that way too high for him. He has physical tools, but there's too many question marks surrounding his game and mental acuity to condone taking him in the early rounds. I couldn't see a team taking him to be their starter or #2 either, unless Jacksonville goes two QB's early this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 I highly doubt he goes before the 4th. Im pretty sure Ive heard rumors that every QB available is moving up draft boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 I highly doubt he goes before the 4th. Im pretty sure Ive heard rumors that every QB available is moving up draft boards. maybe with the later round guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 For such a bad QB draft, there is a ton of talk about all these guys, even the "lower tier" guys like Savage. LOL, yeah- that Manziel kid drags the overall talent level way down- just kidding. Is it really a bad qb draft, or are we just over analyzing things? So as a developmental guy how about that Jeff Matthews from Cornell? Liked what I saw of him- Another big "slow" guy- though the definition of what "slow" is for a qb is changing. I'd bet the ranch Peyton Manning can't run a sub 5.0 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 if you could put the attributes of bortles, manziel and bridgewater together in a QB then were talking a #4 guy (hell trade up). i think some teams are willing to forego the risk and pray for reward because they need a qb TO START DAY ONE. they are that desparate. i don't believe we're that desperate. well, we'll find out in a little over 3 weeks. tick tock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 maybe with the later round guys. yeah and ive heard every first round guy rumored to go 1st also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 yeah and ive heard every first round guy rumored to go 1st also well, you'd hope so or there are a lot of people full of shit in sports media. the question is where? is the first QB selected going to be @1. 3, 4, 6, 9???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 My guess is 3.....but which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Jax buys into the hype and takes JF at three Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Aaron Rogers and Ben Roethlisberger aren't statues at all. Brady and Manning are but also extremely accurate. I'm just tired of this obsession you have to be 6'4 with a laser rocket arm to win football games No one ever said you had to be....but I heard both Bill Polian and Gil Brandt say that your odds are a lot better to succeed if you have the taller stronger build. Again, just a matter of playing the odds: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Aaron Rogers and Ben Roethlisberger aren't statues at all. Brady and Manning are but also extremely accurate. I'm just tired of this obsession you have to be 6'4 with a laser rocket arm to win football game It's about winning SuperBowl. Majority of Superbowls are won by tall pocket passers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 It's about winning SuperBowl. Majority of Superbowls are won by tall pocket passers. Take this Super Bowl for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 if you could put the attributes of bortles, manziel and bridgewater together in a QB then were talking a #4 guy (hell trade up). i think some teams are willing to forego the risk and pray for reward because they need a qb TO START DAY ONE. they are that desparate. i don't believe we're that desperate. well, we'll find out in a little over 3 weeks. tick tock. Who's that desperate? Oakland got Shuab. Jacksonville resign Henne. We got Hoyer. Houston will got JC and they can get a number of good QB pick in the first pick of round 2. There's also 2 QB that might be in the market when the draft get closer. K. Cousin Ryan Mallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Take this Super Bowl for example. And the SuperBowl MVP is the defense. (rare) Russell didn't win jack dilly. He pulled a Trent Dilfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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