JAFBF Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 This one seems to have come out of nowhere, this morning is the first I've heard of this. There was a video yesterday of Russian Special Ops hanging from netted platform on Black Helicopters around the Kremlin. Now this. Being the Worlds main power, we could get drawn into this. Certainly hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 If Russia invaded Ukraine I doubt we would intervene. But you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: If Russia invaded Ukraine I doubt we would intervene. But you never know. No one is going to make any moves but if they are allied with anyone and they bail then it could call all defensive alliances into question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: No one is going to make any moves but if they are allied with anyone and they bail then it could call all defensive alliances into question. We would have to. After an emergency call of the UN worthless security council, they do nothing because Russia vetoes it, and it sets the stage for a broader war. Things to know: Fishing Several fish-processing plants are located on the Crimean coast of the strait. The fishing season begins in late autumn and lasts for 2 to 3 months, when many seiners put out into the strait to fish. The Taman Bay is a major fishing ground, with many fishing villages scattered along the coast. Looking at the map - the russians taking over the entirety of the Kirch Strait is strategic in two ways - A. The russians will dominate that entire section of the Black Sea coast - maybe 2/3rds of Ukraine's entire southern coast. They will own, soon, all fishing rights in that rich area. They desperately need the boost to their economy, and surely have put other major fishing areas in over-fished mode. B. They can starve out all ports along that southern coast, eventually rendering those ports useless except to local fishermen, and even then, russian can drive them into leaving. This, btw, weakens the Ukraine bigtime, lending itself to be more easily invaded and taken over eventually, later. C. If they can draw American ships in, those American ships will not be able to be somewhere else. Don't put it ridiculous that russian shows "invading Urkraine"..then goes for the Baltic states to get to Poland's borders. D. May as well just leave the UN. It's hopelessly corrupt all over, and russia and china will veto anything that gets in their way. E. The more the dems sow division and obstruction (dems took the House), they know they are free to go to war and we are tied up in knots - unable to agree on anything, and refusing to let Pres Trump be Commander-in-Chief if they can stop him. F. If they can make this "small move" it sets the stage to completely leave us discredited and not dependable. That says, along with other problems, that NATO is weak. Russia will go for it. The dems don't actually take the House until next year - and my concern is, russia will make even more serious moves. They will not stop. Let them gain momentum, and they will openly take what they want, like they did with other countries in the past, like they did with the Czechs. G. We are free to sail through that strait, and well we should. Stop it at the beginning - and you don't have a middle and an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: If Russia invaded Ukraine I doubt we would intervene. But you never know. Putin is KGB at heart and is continuing to provoke the USA and the world. The head of their military still regard the USA as "the enemy" saw some of that on PBS Washington Week. -But- I'm sure they know Trump will not fool around with them......unless they think they really have something on Donald. So eventual WWIII? Is anyone that dumb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Ukraine has tried to get into NATO and right now no one wants to hear them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Ukraine has tried to get into NATO and right now no one wants to hear them out. Sounds like a 007 James Bond movie only for real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Ukraine has tried to get into NATO and right now no one wants to hear them out. russia is terrified that it's getting closer - they will invade before it happens. Ukraine has made progress in efforts to join NATO: Trump adviser ... https://www.reuters.com/...ukraine...nato/ukraine-has-made-progress-in-efforts-to-join... Aug 24, 2018 - U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton said on Friday during a trip to Kiev that Ukraine had made progress in its efforts to join the North ... NATO Issues Strong Statement On Spending, Russia, Amid Discord ... https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-russia-nato-summit-ukraine-brussels/29355758.html Jul 11, 2018 - U.S. President Donald Trump at the start of a NATO summit in Brussels .... rejecting Russia's 2014 annexation of Ukraine's Crimea Peninsula. Putin warns of Ukraine 'escalation' as mystery shrouds Trump talks https://www.irishtimes.com/.../putin-warns-of-ukraine-escalation-as-mystery-shrouds-t... Jul 19, 2018 - Trump queries Nato's role in Balkans, where Russia seeks influence. Ukraine's not a country, Putin told Bush. What'd he tell Trump about ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../ukraines-not-a-country-putin-told-bush-whatd-he-te... Jul 19, 2018 - Eighteen months into his presidency, Donald Trump continues to display near-complete ignorance about how NATO works and why the ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 I know the Russians got pissed at Poland because they are negotiating and willing to spend their own money to put a US military base in the country and call it Fort Trump. I am no fan of Trump but doing that move when you have a realistic threat of Russia moving further into Eastern/Central Europe would be a smart move. Russia wants to crush countries like the Ukraine. They don’t want a direct conflict with the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Crimea was just a stepping stone of a larger objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 https://www.history.com/news/crimea-russia-ukraine-annexation a very interesting read: https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/this-is-what-putin-really-wants/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 if thos happens, its going to be fun watching the ballet piroet from some of u about how Trump was wise to keep us away from such a conflict. When a democrat president doesnt want us involved in a conflict....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Well crap, here we go . . . If this is accurate, things may really be ramping up. WTF caused this to kick off ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 NATO statement - worrisome. This is starting to look very suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Russia could crush Ukraine pretty quickly if they went all out. Hopefully this doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 that report of british troops in estonia is a year old. they've been there a year. Man talk about "fake news".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Russia could crush Ukraine pretty quickly if they went all out. Hopefully this doesn't happen. Agreed. NATO's response is what concerns me. Crimea was small potatoes compared to Ukraine and O is not running this show. Not surprising. Some pieces falling into place, still trying to connect some dots on this one . . . this one is crazy. This is not the only thing going on today, there was a Border rush/clash today with the "Caravan". Border has been closed for a time as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Despite these, Declaration of War is not Official. How are supposed to take that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 geez, that didn't take too long. I was just saying that putin could use the strait fiasco to draw attention away and then go for the Baltic States. It's a diversion. Dangerous stuff. We need to nip that crap in the bud, and putin and go shove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 And if something does happen, Europe will sit there with it's tail between her legs as always. Waiting for Uncle Papa to come to the rescue. Fuck them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 https://news.sky.com/story/russian-security-service-and-space-agency-in-conflict-over-private-us-satellites-11558159 and more misdirection propaganda to get away with major moves. The time is while dems are causing a near civil war of divisiveness in our country. And if Trump sends any ship over there to stop them, some limp-wristed corrupt federal leftwing judge will issue a stop to it on behalf of the dems. or so putin the pig thinks. You have to make moves to stop it, or it will lead to war. Don't let a smaller problem grow by doing nothing, until it's a huge problem. Wars happen. https://news.sky.com/story/russia-fires-at-ukraine-ships-in-black-sea-11563775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 44 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: . And if Trump sends any ship over there to stop them, some limp-wristed corrupt federal leftwing judge will issue a stop to it on behalf of the dems. u know that is categorically impossible right? u who "allegedly" served in the military, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 19 hours ago, calfoxwc said: https://news.sky.com/story/russian-security-service-and-space-agency-in-conflict-over-private-us-satellites-11558159 and more misdirection propaganda to get away with major moves. The time is while dems are causing a near civil war of divisiveness in our country. And if Trump sends any ship over there to stop them, some limp-wristed corrupt federal leftwing judge will issue a stop to it on behalf of the dems. or so putin the pig thinks. You have to make moves to stop it, or it will lead to war. Don't let a smaller problem grow by doing nothing, until it's a huge problem. Wars happen. https://news.sky.com/story/russia-fires-at-ukraine-ships-in-black-sea-11563775 No Judge can stop a Military campaign. That's one area they can't touch. He is the Commander in Chief. (and a great one at that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Another thing. In WW2, Ukraine supported the Nazi's. Russia has never forgotten that. Collaboration with Nazi Germany 1941–45 German-Ukrainian parade in Ivano-Frankivsk on 26 July 1941 during Operation Barbarossa Ukrainians greeting arriving Germans in Western Ukraine in the summer of 1941 Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany took place during the military occupation of modern-day Ukraine by Nazi Germany in World War II. At that time the new territorial divisions included Distrikt Galizien and Reichskommissariat Ukraine covering both, the south-eastern territories of the Second Polish Republic and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic across former borders. Original reasons for collaboration included Ukrainian political aspirations for regaining independence, resurgent nationalism, but also anger and resentment against the Soviet government and ethnic Russians for Holodomor, mass arrests and deportations, and executions that occurred in Soviet Ukraine due to accusations of collaborations with Nazi Germany only a few years earlier, particularly among the intelligentsia who were disproportionally targeted. These sentiments were coupled with the belief that these acts were orchestrated by other ethnic groups (such as Jews, Tatars, Roma people, and Poles) as well as the prevailing notions of anti-Semitism. However, the absence of Ukrainian autonomy under the Nazis, mistreatment by the occupier, and the deportation of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians as slave laborers, soon led to a dramatic change in the attitude of some collaborators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Martial law was declared in ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted November 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Another thing. In WW2, Ukraine supported the Nazi's. Russia has never forgotten that. Collaboration with Nazi Germany 1941–45 German-Ukrainian parade in Ivano-Frankivsk on 26 July 1941 during Operation Barbarossa Ukrainians greeting arriving Germans in Western Ukraine in the summer of 1941 Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany took place during the military occupation of modern-day Ukraine by Nazi Germany in World War II. At that time the new territorial divisions included Distrikt Galizien and Reichskommissariat Ukraine covering both, the south-eastern territories of the Second Polish Republic and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic across former borders. Original reasons for collaboration included Ukrainian political aspirations for regaining independence, resurgent nationalism, but also anger and resentment against the Soviet government and ethnic Russians for Holodomor, mass arrests and deportations, and executions that occurred in Soviet Ukraine due to accusations of collaborations with Nazi Germany only a few years earlier, particularly among the intelligentsia who were disproportionally targeted. These sentiments were coupled with the belief that these acts were orchestrated by other ethnic groups (such as Jews, Tatars, Roma people, and Poles) as well as the prevailing notions of anti-Semitism. However, the absence of Ukrainian autonomy under the Nazis, mistreatment by the occupier, and the deportation of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians as slave laborers, soon led to a dramatic change in the attitude of some collaborators Apparently still do (as noted elsewhere). Suicide. My my, what difference a day makes. Now who would want to start a War ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 while America is distracted, Nato is shaky - that strait and the Black Sea is international waters. The Ukrainian sailors don't want to be sent to siberian prison, they say what they have to say. or, die "escaping". we're talkin putin and the kgb here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Are we going to take russias word fir it these confessions werent coerced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Trump is too busy fighting GM, Miss. Dems, kissing Kim's ass and holding rallies to give attention to what his boyfriend is up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said: Are we going to take russias word fir it these confessions werent coerced? Who cares, really? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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