Vambo Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-city-tests-universal-basic-income-program-ahead-of-2020 The city of Stockton, Calif., which launched a universal basic income pilot program earlier this year, will listen to stories from a select group of recipients of the no-strings-attached cash by the end of April, adding tangible anecdotes to the national political conversation on income inequality ahead of 2020. The Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration, a pilot program on universal basic income, launched in February, the Los Angeles Times reported. Over 100 residents from the city’s lower-income neighborhoods will be administered $500 a month via debit cards for the next year and a half. The money comes without any restrictions, such as requiring recipients to be employed or maintain sobriety. Head of Stockton’s program, Sukhi Samra, told the Los Angeles Times that 25 participants dubbed “storytellers” will offer their experiences on how the extra monthly cash has contributed to their lives. While data from the program’s research findings won’t be available until 2021, Samra expects anecdotes to resonate more with voters who could hear the potential effects of their political decisions. Stockton became the first to move ahead on a universal income pilot, as other U.S. cities, including Newark, NJ and Chicago, consider similar programs that would deal out monthly payments to struggling residents. Programs in Canada and Finland were scrapped for being unstainable. Stockton received $1 million in initial funding for the $3.1 million program from the Silicon-Valley-based organization The Economic Security Project. Further research should reveal how basic income programs could be sustained by local or federal governments on a more permanent basic. Free money with all the homeless Vets and they give out money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Vambo said: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-city-tests-universal-basic-income-program-ahead-of-2020 The city of Stockton, Calif., which launched a universal basic income pilot program earlier this year, will listen to stories from a select group of recipients of the no-strings-attached cash by the end of April, adding tangible anecdotes to the national political conversation on income inequality ahead of 2020. The Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration, a pilot program on universal basic income, launched in February, the Los Angeles Times reported. Over 100 residents from the city’s lower-income neighborhoods will be administered $500 a month via debit cards for the next year and a half. The money comes without any restrictions, such as requiring recipients to be employed or maintain sobriety. Head of Stockton’s program, Sukhi Samra, told the Los Angeles Times that 25 participants dubbed “storytellers” will offer their experiences on how the extra monthly cash has contributed to their lives. While data from the program’s research findings won’t be available until 2021, Samra expects anecdotes to resonate more with voters who could hear the potential effects of their political decisions. Stockton became the first to move ahead on a universal income pilot, as other U.S. cities, including Newark, NJ and Chicago, consider similar programs that would deal out monthly payments to struggling residents. Programs in Canada and Finland were scrapped for being unstainable. Stockton received $1 million in initial funding for the $3.1 million program from the Silicon-Valley-based organization The Economic Security Project. Further research should reveal how basic income programs could be sustained by local or federal governments on a more permanent basic. Free money with all the homeless Vets and they give out money. Why is anyone budgeting for more missiles and jets when we have homeless vets? You can play that game with anything you don’t like having money spent on. That said, I am interested to see how this UBI experiment goes. We will all eventually be automated out of work so knowing what to do with a world full of people and limited jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted April 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Why is anyone budgeting for more missiles and jets when we have homeless vets? You can play that game with anything you don’t like having money spent on. That said, I am interested to see how this UBI experiment goes. We will all eventually be automated out of work so knowing what to do with a world full of people and limited jobs. Money for more missiles and jets keeps the USA free and safe, money for free gets laziness. Why work if you can just sit back and get free money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Vambo said: Money for more missiles and jets keeps the USA free and safe, money for free gets laziness. Why work if you can just sit back and get free money? But we have far more jets and missiles than everyone else and one F-22 Raptor is $250 million alone. Think of how many homeless vets that would care for. I seriously don’t care but that is an example of when people always play the homeless vet game when they don’t like something being funded. However, they are quiet when we spend frivolously on things they like. And yes, we will likely be facing a future where people get money to do nothing. Robots are going to eventually take 95% of jobs. That means you will have a whole bunch of people hanging out. Getting an idea of how UBI would work now is good to know for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted April 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: But we have far more jets and missiles than everyone else and one F-22 Raptor is $250 million alone. Think of how many homeless vets that would care for. I seriously don’t care but that is an example of when people always play the homeless vet game when they don’t like something being funded. However, they are quiet when we spend frivolously on things they like. And yes, we will likely be facing a future where people get money to do nothing. Robots are going to eventually take 95% of jobs. That means you will have a whole bunch of people hanging out. Getting an idea of how UBI would work now is good to know for the future. Programs in Canada and Finland were scrapped for being unstainable. We have this data to go by, sooner or later you run out of other peoples money then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Vambo said: Programs in Canada and Finland were scrapped for being unstainable. We have this data to go by. According to who? The Canadian one ended early due to a change in government party. The Finnish one went to completion with Finnish politicians only half wanting it utilized but the data won't be available till 2020 so we don't know how it shook out. Don't take a phrase in an article as fact. Follow up. Every news source now is garbage. We will have a future where we have a bunch of people just hanging out. Actually following through with an experiment to see what we do with these people is going to be important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Vambo said: sooner or later you run out of other peoples money then what? Well what do you think should be done about people not having work in the future due to automation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted April 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Well what do you think should be done about people not having work in the future due to automation? Import more Illegal immigrants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, Vambo said: Import more Illegal immigrants! So you got nothing. I know it got complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: Well what do you think should be done about people not having work in the future due to automation? Nothing. That is their responsibility. There is a huge demand for the skilled trades right now. Thanks to Trump. https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=4SS3XIOZDMKosgXS9pawDg&q=skilled+trades+in+demand&oq=Skilled+trades&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0l10.5007.13582..16706...0.0..0.215.1424.13j1j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131.t7wIlBQRI54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted April 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: So you got nothing. I know it got complicated. I know you can't get anywhere just giving money away, name where in the world this has worked in the last 1000 years? You have to create manufacturing jobs that produces and get away from service oriented jobs which make nothing. You can train them to build missiles and jets ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 they will print money. No one can pay enough income tax for the gov to allocate all that money to people who aren't working because so many robots took over. Unless you figure robots will go out and buy goods with their salaries, but then robots will unionize, and demand lube breaks, vacation of 7 weeks a year, no weekends, etc ... and then the companies will face robot strikes every time they get a worn out bearing, and then their pay will rise to rates higher than what people were being paid, maintenance costs will skyrocket, companies will eventually become not profitible and shut down, or... start laying off robot workers who sign up for unemployment ... wait, robots ain't got no unemployment.... so, the permanently laid off robots resort to crime to get mo money, and take it from the people who are so feeble from not doing anything except sitting while they collect free money. Then .... Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gorka said: Nothing. That is their responsibility. There is a huge demand for the skilled trades right now. Thanks to Trump. https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=4SS3XIOZDMKosgXS9pawDg&q=skilled+trades+in+demand&oq=Skilled+trades&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0l10.5007.13582..16706...0.0..0.215.1424.13j1j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131.t7wIlBQRI54 In the future, ALL, not some, ALL jobs will be drastically reduced to the point that artists and creative types may be the only ones with jobs because AI software can't do that with maximum productivity. So yes, working in trades is good now. So are most jobs, as of right now. But UBI experiments are about what we are going to do down the road. The alternative is socialism that limits capitalism. Because if you stick with a capitalistic model, you want to maximize productivity. Why would I hire three people to work construction when I can eventually just hire a machine that does it better than them and for a fraction of the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Terrible liberal idea. Worse they are not even putting any restrictions with the money being thrown out. Better idea: have the recipients work such as cleaning up trash on side of roads, or other projects that would benefit the city. We have found already that when work requirement for EBT cards are required there is a significant drop in those getting the aid. Many will gladly accept what is handed out for free but balk at aid when there are work requirements. For able bodied people there is nothing wrong with wanting people to work for the aid they receive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Vambo said: I know you can't get anywhere just giving money away, name where in the world this has worked in the last 1000 years? You have to create manufacturing jobs that produces and get away from service oriented jobs which make nothing. So your plan when there is a future when roughly 95% of the population is jobless is to.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: they will print money. No one can pay enough income tax for the gov to allocate all that money to people who aren't working because so many robots took over. Unless you figure robots will go out and buy goods with their salaries, but then robots will unionize, and demand lube breaks, vacation of 7 weeks a year, no weekends, etc ... and then the companies will face robot strikes every time they get a worn out bearing, and then their pay will rise to rates higher than what people were being paid, maintenance costs will skyrocket, companies will eventually become not profitible and shut down, or... start laying off robot workers who sign up for unemployment ... wait, robots ain't got no unemployment.... so, the permanently laid off robots resort to crime to get mo money, and take it from the people who are so feeble from not doing anything except sitting while they collect free money. Then .... Never mind. We are facing a future where the idea of a job may be obsolete. Running experiments to see if they tank or not, doesn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Terrible liberal idea. Worse they are not even putting any restrictions with the money being thrown out. Better idea: have the recipients work such as cleaning up trash on side of roads, or other projects that would benefit the city. We have found already that when work requirement for EBT cards are required there is a significant drop in those getting the aid. Many will gladly accept what is handed out for free but balk at aid when there are work requirements. For able bodied people there is nothing wrong with wanting people to work for the aid they receive. You're missing the point of the study Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Terrible liberal idea. Worse they are not even putting any restrictions with the money being thrown out. Better idea: have the recipients work such as cleaning up trash on side of roads, or other projects that would benefit the city. We have found already that when work requirement for EBT cards are required there is a significant drop in those getting the aid. Many will gladly accept what is handed out for free but balk at aid when there are work requirements. For able bodied people there is nothing wrong with wanting people to work for the aid they receive. I am thinking of this in the long term as far as what we will do in an AI/heavily automated future. Productivity is king and machines will eventually do everything outside of art, music better than us. So what do we do with all of these people just milling about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, MLD Woody said: You're missing the point of the study But the skilled trades and libtards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, LogicIsForSquares said: I am thinking of this in the long term as far as what we will do in an AI/heavily automated future. Productivity is king and machines will eventually do everything outside of art, music better than us. So what do we do with all of these people just milling about? Maybe government incentives like tax breaks for industry not to replace human workers with automation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: We are facing a future where the idea of a job may be obsolete. Running experiments to see if they tank or not, doesn't hurt. sure it does. It enables dependency and sloth NOW - we have enough of that already over the years. Entitlement to dependency. Oh yeah, They always have to vote democratic to keep it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, calfoxwc said: sure it does. It enables dependency and sloth NOW - we have enough of that already over the years. Entitlement to dependency. Oh yeah, They always have to vote democratic to keep it, too. So then we won't try to figure out what works for the future and we will wing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: You're missing the point of the study And you are missing the point of human nature...work requirements should be for all government handouts for able bodied people. If an able bodied person turns down government aid because of work requirements they really do not need the aid, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: But the skilled trades and libtards? You asked for an answer and now your bitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: You're missing the point of the study the only point you get is what you got - a point at the end of your beak. Nice one liner criticism of another poster in your one liner contribution to the discussion. Birdbrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, OldBrownsFan said: Maybe government incentives like tax breaks for industry not to replace human workers with automation? I don't think tax incentives will keep up with the amount of productivity (thus $) gained by going automated. Even then, trying to put a carrot on a stick won't work everywhere. Every country on Earth would have to try to incentivize keeping people and we know that won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: So your plan when there is a future when roughly 95% of the population is jobless is to.....? 95% ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo Posted April 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said: So your plan when there is a future when roughly 95% of the population is jobless is to.....? I don't see it ever getting to the point of 95% jobless at least as long as Trump is in office but you could get there once the Left takes over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, Gorka said: You asked for an answer and now your bitching. What do skilled trades now have to do with anything that we are talking about in relation to an automated future? You could have just changed the subject to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 17, 2019 Report Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Gorka said: 95% ? AI and automated systems will be able to do just about every form of vocation we do now but with far more productivity and less downtime. If you are a person running a business, you would be dumb not to invest in it. We will eventually reach that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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