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[OldBrownsFan]

11 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

Were we more religious as a whole during the 1940s or now? Were we even more religious the further you went back? 

But yeah, our religious golden ages were wonderful for everyone. Everyone speaks glowingly about how people were treated in the Middle Ages by their fellow (insert religious convert).

The real faith of Christianity is not religious it is relationship. The dark ages were a period of time when the bible was kept locked up in monasteries in a language most people did not understand, no wonder they were called the dark ages.. we have never had a glowing time in human history at any time because satan is the god of this world (for now). 

[Clevfan4life]

42 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

We are wayy better off today as a whole than we have ever been in terms of people getting a fair shake.

not so sure about thst. I think on the surface it seems that way because the mechsnisms of control arent nearly as overt as they used to be. But thats for another discussion. I agree that in terms of this fake spirutuality sky god nonsense we're seemingly improving....but new methods of owning us are coming forth, like the obsession with wealth and/or fame. Materialism is the new baby chheessuss

[jbluhm86]

3 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

 

Was Hitler religious? Stalin? According to your world Logic those should have been the best of times..or even atheist China today.

 

 

 

[jbluhm86]

5 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

Doesn’t the Bible Support Slavery?

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/doesnt-the-bible-support-slavery/

Again, you're dancing around the issue, but you're not going to get away with it.

Exodus 21:2-6 (NASB):

2If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,’ 6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.

• It is interesting to note that if a slave wishes to remain with his wife and family he must submit to his master for life.

(Exodus 21:7-11 NASB)

7If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do. 8If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. 9If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. 11If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.

Deuteronomy 15:12-18, however, applies the same standards to female and male slaves, with verse 18 stating, "Your female slave, also, you shall treat in the same way. You must not be reluctant to let your slave go free, since the service they have given you for six years was worth twice a hired man's salary; then also the Lord, your God, will bless you in everything you do."

• Apparently, God gave the OK for parents to sell their own children into slavery

This is just a few examples.

 

....Want me to go on, OBF? I can go all day. If you're a Christian and believe in God, as you claim to be, then you must reconcile that belief with the fact that your God not only allowed enslavement and sexual enslavement of people by his chosen people - he actively condoned it. How you could willingly worship and follow a God like that proves my point that you can get away with and rationalize the most disgusting abuses against your fellow man by trying to hide it under the cloak of religious beliefs.

[OldBrownsFan]

4 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

Again, you're dancing around the issue, but you're not going to get away with it.

Exodus 21:2-6 (NASB):

2If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,’ 6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.

• It is interesting to note that if a slave wishes to remain with his wife and family he must submit to his master for life.

(Exodus 21:7-11 NASB)

7If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do. 8If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. 9If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. 11If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.

Deuteronomy 15:12-18, however, applies the same standards to female and male slaves, with verse 18 stating, "Your female slave, also, you shall treat in the same way. You must not be reluctant to let your slave go free, since the service they have given you for six years was worth twice a hired man's salary; then also the Lord, your God, will bless you in everything you do."

• Apparently, God gave the OK for parents to sell their own children into slavery

This is just a few examples.

 

....Want me to go on, OBF? I can go all day. If you're a Christian and believe in God, as you claim to be, then you must reconcile that belief with the fact that your God not only allowed enslavement and sexual enslavement of people by his chosen people - he actively condoned it. How you could willingly worship and follow a God like that proves my point that you can get away with and rationalize the most disgusting abuses against your fellow man by trying to hide it under the cloak of religious beliefs.

 

4 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

 

 

 

Hitler was not controlled by God..he was controlled by satan.. I know you are a big fan of Hitchens but he is giving out his opinions ..Darwin type views did seem to influence Hitler tremendously. It was at least one of the reasons he was so callous in killing off those he deemed inferior people, the other was he was full of satan.."you got to to serve somebody..it may be the devil or it may be the Lord..but you got to serve somebody"...all through the Jews (God's chosen people)  history they have always faced satanic persecution, the fact they faced the worst of the worst due to Adolf Hitler tells you all you need to know about the spiritual condition of Hitler.

[OldBrownsFan]

You can pick apart Israel of thousands of years ago by measuring them by today's standards but the facts are they were probably the most civilized society of their time. Even the eye for an eye justice was better than what was going on in other places in the world at the time. And the article I posted does point out there were differences in slaves in the OT times as compared to the type of slavery we saw in our country. 

You also can throw your lot in with Hitchens who is gone and buried  (or cremated I don't know) but I'm sticking with the bible and the God who gives life. I know of a woman who was paralyzed in an accident and now is battling cancer. Life has not been fair to her like it hasn't been to many others yet she still praises and gives thanks to God..why? Because her future looks a whole lot brighter than her circumstances in this life. The cross is the answer  for our hope. You can choose to live life without that hope, not me. You may change your mind someday, the door will always be open to you as long as you have breath and are living in this grace period we are living in now.

[LogicIsForSquares]

8 hours ago, Clevfan4life said:

not so sure about thst. I think on the surface it seems that way because the mechsnisms of control arent nearly as overt as they used to be. But thats for another discussion. I agree that in terms of this fake spirutuality sky god nonsense we're seemingly improving....but new methods of owning us are coming forth, like the obsession with wealth and/or fame. Materialism is the new baby chheessuss

Louis CK’s Time Machine bit is appropriate for this thread and is pretty telling about how now is considered so scary for some.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

6 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

 

 

 

Satanist/Atheist = same same.

[Chemist]

10 hours ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

Hell in human history we have been at our shittiest at our most religious. 

Complete revisionist garbage. How many people did anti-religion figureheads like Hitler and Stalin kill last century? How about the limitations on freedom imposed on entire populations by atheist socialist dictators? Fidel Castro. Mussolini. Chairman Mao...  

 

but wait! Somewhere a religious person just said something mean to a fag! Humanity at its worse!

[OldBrownsFan]

11 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Satanist/Atheist = same same.

I'm not slamming atheists here but there is truth that satanists and atheists are in the same camp. The atheist though will feel superior because he believes he is too smart to believe in anything spiritual because spiritual things cannot be measured scientifically and usually science is their god. That is ironic in itself because the whole idea that the universe just created itself is polar opposite to science. 

[LogicIsForSquares]

21 minutes ago, Chemist said:

Complete revisionist garbage. How many people did anti-religion figureheads like Hitler and Stalin kill last century? How about the limitations on freedom imposed on entire populations by atheist socialist dictators? Fidel Castro. Mussolini. Chairman Mao...  

 

but wait! Somewhere a religious person just said something mean to a fag! Humanity at its worse!

Were we as humans more religious/spiritual in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s compared to as OBF would refer to these as the “end times”? Yes we were. OBF would have you thinking the times when the Holocaust, Mao’s Purges, and Stalin’s Gulags, the Atlantic slave trade were going we were better off. You guys are making the argument for me. These are the best times we have been in. 

[LogicIsForSquares]

25 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Satanist/Atheist = same same.

Hail, S....

 

 

 

...cience!

[LogicIsForSquares]

3 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said:

I'm not slamming atheists here but there is truth that satanists and atheists are in the same camp. The atheist though will feel superior because he believes he is too smart to believe in anything spiritual because spiritual things cannot be measured scientifically and usually science is their god. That is ironic in itself because the whole idea that the universe just created itself is polar opposite to science. 

I believe the tooth fairy and Sasquatch created the universe because science hasn’t filled in the gap so it must be them.

[OldBrownsFan]

4 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

I believe the tooth fairy and Sasquatch created the universe because science hasn’t filled in the gap so it must be them.

The prophecies in the bible alone that have come true and defy mathematical odds separate it from mythological creatures.

[LogicIsForSquares]

1 minute ago, OldBrownsFan said:

The prophecies in the bible alone that have come true and defy mathematical odds separate it from mythological creatures.

You haven’t heard the true word of Tooth Fairy then. 

[OldBrownsFan]

1 minute ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

You haven’t heard the true word of Tooth Fairy then. 

Well the cheapskate owes me then...I never got any money under my pillow as a kid when I had a tooth fall out. . 

[Chemist]

1 hour ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

Were we as humans more religious/spiritual in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s compared to as OBF would refer to these as the “end times”? Yes we were. OBF would have you thinking the times when the Holocaust, Mao’s Purges, and Stalin’s Gulags, the Atlantic slave trade were going we were better off. You guys are making the argument for me. These are the best times we have been in. 

Americans were probably the least spiritual in their history right before the second great awakening which started in the early 1800’s. It took the second great awakening for Americans to realize the travesty of slavery. Emancipation happened soon after the second great awakening was over. You can also link women’s suffrage to the second great awakening.

[LogicIsForSquares]

1 hour ago, Chemist said:

Americans were probably the least spiritual in their history right before the second great awakening which started in the early 1800’s. It took the second great awakening for Americans to realize the travesty of slavery. Emancipation happened soon after the second great awakening was over. You can also link women’s suffrage to the second great awakening.

OBF would tell you it is right now and we are much worse off for it.

[Clevfan4life]

so someone who beleives in a horned red dancing ngr is the same as someone who devoutly expresses his opposition to all things superstitious, huh?

u guys are absolutely the dumbest fucking rubbish ngr wankers ive ever been around in my entire life. I knew y'all were some fresh lil monkeya by about my 2nd week here but now, ive really got no words. The level of daily stupid is just dialed up to max and its stuck there cause the knob broke off. 

Theres no coming back from this either. 

[Chemist]

8 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

so someone who beleives in a horned red dancing ngr is the same as someone who devoutly expresses his opposition to all things superstitious, huh?

u guys are absolutely the dumbest fucking rubbish ngr wankers ive ever been around in my entire life. I knew y'all were some fresh lil monkeya by about my 2nd week here but now, ive really got no words. The level of daily stupid is just dialed up to max and its stuck there cause the knob broke off.

Satan puts the doubts and disbelief in your head. Satan doesn’t care that you don’t believe in him, he cares that you don’t believe in the Lord and wants you to abandon the Christian way.

[OldBrownsFan]

46 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

OBF would tell you it is right now and we are much worse off for it.

And I am speaking spiritually to someone who doesn't recognize a spiritual realm. Spiritually this country has turned its back on God in a way that is unprecedented in our history. Open up your physical eyes then and look around. Even with the great economy under Trump this whole thing is still a house of cards ready to fall with 21 trillion national debt and 120 trillion in unfunded liabilities. If we had a great depression like we did in the 30's do you think the people today would act like people in the 30's did? No there will be anarchy and rioting. More unstable countries will be acquiring nuclear weapons. We are seeing the results of the collapse of the family and the negative results which will only get worse as children who were never raised right themselves bring children into the world (sorry the answer is not abortion either). I don't believe I will live long enough to see the bad things that are coming but I hate the thought of my children and grand children going through it and the real hope for the nation is a revival and a turning back to God.

[Clevfan4life]

58 minutes ago, Chemist said:

Satan puts the doubts and disbelief in your head. Satan doesn’t care that you don’t believe in him, he cares that you don’t believe in the Lord and wants you to abandon the Christian way.

yep.....the stupid just gets dropped off by the dumptruck full. 🙄

[DieHardBrownsFan]

On 8/2/2019 at 9:55 AM, tiamat63 said:

Yeaaaaaah. I'm not watching whatever that is.    I, like you, feel this is the best place to live.  Otherwise I wouldnt be here.  However it is just that - a feeling. A pride, if you will.

Its faith.

[Clevfan4life]

7 hours ago, Chemist said:

Americans were probably the least spiritual in their history right before the second great awakening which started in the early 1800’s. 

oh so u think they were Atheists that stepped off the mayflower and immediately started telling cool biblical stories to the unwashed natives......dont u?

[Chemist]

1 hour ago, Clevfan4life said:

oh so u think they were Atheists that stepped off the mayflower and immediately started telling cool biblical stories to the unwashed natives......dont u?

I really have no idea what point you’re trying to make. The mayflower landed in 1620. The great awakening began some 180 years later. 

The settlers actually did little intentionally to destroy the native tribes. It was European disease that did most of the work. 

Some accounts have much of the eastern seaboard being rather tame when the Europeans arrived. It was a setting much like the parks we see today. The settlers could see smoke for miles before they saw land. If you believe in global warming, the argument has been made that the decimation of the natives caused a mini ice age because the land was allowed to grow wild and take carbon out of the atmosphere. 

[Westside Steve]

Sla'bry? Me oh my!

😮

WSS

[Clevfan4life]

3 hours ago, Chemist said:

I really have no idea what point you’re trying to make. The mayflower landed in 1620. The great awakening began some 180 years later. 

 

my point is ur theory on some great awakening happening in 1800 is a giant cool story. Western Europeans, and the settlers who came here, were far more fundamentalists than they were 200 years later. "Far more". These were people who beleived witches could put a hex on a crop output.....i mean ffs. 

[Chemist]

42 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

my point is ur theory on some great awakening happening in 1800 is a giant cool story. Western Europeans, and the settlers who came here, were far more fundamentalists than they were 200 years later. "Far more". These were people who beleived witches could put a hex on a crop output.....i mean ffs. 

It’s not some “theory.” For someone who claims to know so much about everything, you seem to know very little about American history. It’s known as the Second Great Awakening. It was a monumental shift in religious views and participation. 

In the chart you can see a huge jump in religious adherence from 1776 to 1860. That was a result of the second great awakening. Then a decline until about the turn of the 20th century. 

 

 

Source:

Roger Finke and Rodney Stark, The Churching of America, 1776-1990 (1992)

[Clevfan4life]

27 minutes ago, Chemist said:

It’s not some “theory.” For someone who claims to know so much about everything, you seem to know very little about American history. It’s known as the Second Great Awakening. It was a monumental shift in religious views and participation. 

In the chart you can see a huge jump in religious adherence from 1776 to 1860. That was a result of the second great awakening. Then a decline until about the turn of the 20th century. 

 

 

Source:

Roger Finke and Rodney Stark, The Churching of America, 1776-1990 (1992)

Ur right im not an expert in American history, but I know enough to know that graph is highly suspect. The early settlers we "extremely" Christian and were constantly trying to convert natives.