CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 Even if the offense was playing up to its potential. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 came out with a trick play then of course flagged to start the next drive behind the sticks maybe they thought they could set the tone of the game which of course if they meant by being penalized they accomplished it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 My friend always complains when a team doesn’t take the ball when they win the toss. Claims he has some math that proves you average more possessions when you take the ball at the beginning of the game. He’s kind of a drunk, so I never checked his math, but at one point in his life he was pretty damn smart, so he may be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD_Tom Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 That could've had 100 possessions last night and they'd have gone 3 and out on almost all of them Team looked more unprepared than any hue team. And that's a really lowass bar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 When down 14-3 there was offensive life and then the drop/turnover ruined any chance and killed momentum as it was returned about 50 yards. The team was done after potentially being 14-6 to 21-3. I’m just saying maybe the defense should get the opportunity to get the game started on the right foot instead. Much better than falling in a hole and then having to kick to start the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 I'm fine with it. This team (Baker) plays much better with a lead. I hate to say it, but this team needs to be run heavy for a spell. Baker looked like he was about to cry late in the 4th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 I felt like crying late in the 3rd... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Feel like this is problem #19 of our offense. If you call a decent a play, QB makes a decision with the Ball, we block and the WRs catch. We get praised for striking first and quickly and putting a run based team in an early hole. i actually get it but execute something weve had back to back to back games against teams that can be lethal with a lead and probably play much better from in front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 There's a reason the best coaches in the league defer. There's much more to be had from building momentum right before half and into the 3rd quarter, as opposed to the early momentum of a game This is validated by stats which indicate teams that defer win approximately 62% of the time, on average. https://www.si.com/2016/01/14/nfl-coin-toss-deferral-patriots-bill-belichick Equally as important, our team is not an elite offensive unit, right now anyway. To put the pressure on the struggling side of the ball to go out there is just a stupid, stupid decision by Freddie that isn't supported by data or by the elite HC's of the NFL. As I've noted now in both game threads, it's an objectively wrong decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 I liked it - except I suppose, that giving your offense better field position than the usual non-return, would be a good thing, if they stop them... not worried about that decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 20 hours ago, htownbrown said: I'm fine with it. This team (Baker) plays much better with a lead. I hate to say it, but this team needs to be run heavy for a spell. Baker looked like he was about to cry late in the 4th. The score starts 0-0 and and then this offense comes out with a risky trick play. That’s not legitimate offense, it’s a gimmick. The offense does not have an identity yet. Like I said, if this offense was firing on all cylinders. Sure; why the hell not try and drive down the field opening drive and get points. But until the offense is clearly established...defer till second half, Coach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 11 hours ago, jrb12711 said: There's a reason the best coaches in the league defer. There's much more to be had from building momentum right before half and into the 3rd quarter, as opposed to the early momentum of a game This is validated by stats which indicate teams that defer win approximately 62% of the time, on average. Same reason the worst, and the other 38% do... The decision you make should put your best unit on the field first. All the nonsense about setting up two possessions in a row at end of the 1st half and start of the 2nd, is wishful thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 It wasn't that many years ago that EVERY team took the opening kickoff when they won the toss - then Bill the genius changed all of that. Taking the ball first was not the reason the Browns lost......... they lost because the 9ers are a much better team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, D Bone said: It wasn't that many years ago that EVERY team took the opening kickoff when they won the toss - then Bill the genius changed all of that. Taking the ball first was not the reason the Browns lost......... they lost because the 9ers are a much better team. Just one more example of why it’s called a “copycat” league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Same reason the worst, and the other 38% do... The decision you make should put your best unit on the field first. All the nonsense about setting up two possessions in a row at end of the 1st half and start of the 2nd, is wishful thinking. Agreed. I prefer kicking first so you get the ball on 3rd quater, not necessarily because you can get two possessions in a row, but because it's where the game really is at stake. Moreover, I would only elect to receive if it were the 99 Rams or a once in a lifetime offense that will give you a lead that you can work from. In our case, I think we've been able to stop most of the first drives of the other teams (apart from SF, I don't remember any first drive TD). And our defense is way better than our offense as of today, so let the best unit start the battle. It could also work in favor of Mayfield not being the first one in the spotlight right when the game begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 10/8/2019 at 7:39 PM, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said: Even if the offense was playing up to its potential. Why? Why not? To me it is six of one, half a dozen of the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 10 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Same reason the worst, and the other 38% do... The decision you make should put your best unit on the field first. All the nonsense about setting up two possessions in a row at end of the 1st half and start of the 2nd, is wishful thinking. Eh, agree to disagree with you on that one. I can't think of a game where a team doesn't have a strong chance to build momentum going into 1/2 time. Obviously execution comes into play, but that doesn't have to mean getting the last possession before half and kicking a FG as time expires. Games are much more won or lost after halftime than on the first possession (our MNF debacle aside). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 I always thought it was because teams wanted their Offense on the field after 1st half adjustments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/8/2019 at 8:46 PM, hx214 said: My friend........ Claims he has some math that proves 1) If you elect to receive: you could - start with the ball and end the half with the ball. Then end the game with the ball. That's.....umm....three 2) If you elect to defer: you could - end the half with the ball. Then start and end the second have with the ball. That's....three * you may substitute 'meaningful possessions' with the term 'the ball'. ---------------- If you receive, and you go 3 and out because they're doing something on D that you didn't expect.... If you defer, then you've seen their plan and can perhaps make a meaningful adjustment to give you a better chance at not going 3 and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 hours ago, jcam222 said: I always thought it was because teams wanted their Offense on the field after 1st half adjustments. What adjustments are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SdBacker80 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 We played two run based teams (arguably three until The Rams forgot about Gurley) in a row. i actually see exactly what Freddie Dining Room wanted to do by getting the ball - scoring - and putting a run based team in an early hole. Now he just needs to work on the going down the field and scoring part. Way too many other things to worry about than electing to receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 “The central reason most coaches have given for deferring comes down to the chance to pair a score at the end of the first half with one at the start of the second. It’s the only opportunity a team has for two straight possessions and can be a chance to instantly put the game out of reach.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/2016/01/14/nfl-coin-toss-deferral-patriots-bill-belichick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Orion said: 1) If you elect to receive: you could - start with the ball and end the half with the ball. Then end the game with the ball. That's.....umm....three 2) If you elect to defer: you could - end the half with the ball. Then start and end the second have with the ball. That's....three * you may substitute 'meaningful possessions' with the term 'the ball'. ---------------- If you receive, and you go 3 and out because they're doing something on D that you didn't expect.... If you defer, then you've seen their plan and can perhaps can make a meaningful adjustment to give you a better chance at not going 3 and out. Ya.... I wasn’t talking about counting on your finger type math.... was statistical stuff.... but ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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