Oline analysis: Pats game

[Ibleedbrown]

I’m going to go one quarter at a time with this to make it a less cumbersome read (yeah, l know...) and because l may or may not make it through all 4 quarters. If any of you blocking aficionados (Tour, Tiamat, Flugs, Gumby, etc) want to take a quarter, feel free, but let us know so as not to duplicate work. 

I was kinda stoked to break down this game with McCray replacing Robinson. I’m pretty down on Robinson so was excited to see someone new at LT. 

All plays graded from right to left. 

The key is the key: H = Hubbard, K = Kush, T = Tretter, B = Bitonio, M = McCray. Other players show up with numbers. 86 = Brown,   88 = Harris, 25 = Hilliard, 24 = Chubb, 77 = Teller, 80 - Landry, OBJ = himself. There may be others.

Grading system

 - means l felt the player did ok that play. They did what they were asked to do on the play and were effective

 + means l felt the player did above and beyond just good on the play. Maybe blocked a couple dudes, maybe laid an exceptional block. Maybe made an athletic move to pick up a delayed blitzer. Things like that. 

£ means the player did a poor job at doing what was expected during the play and they were a weight on the team. Get it?

Plays will be noted much like Tour used to. S = series, P = plays. So S1P3 is series one play 3. Notes and side bars are included.

S1P1: Incomplete to Callaway: 86 - fine job, H £ not a good start, got muscled past and his man applied pressure to the QB, K - pulled left, T -, B -, M - Tretter, Bito and McCray ended up walling off Baker’s front side fending off 2 rushers.

S1P2: Incomplete to Landry: H -, K - barely, he started doubling with Tretter but it looked like Tretter tried to “hand off” the guy to Kush so that Tretter could make a next level block and Kush lost leverage in the transfer and pressured the QB, T -, B - barely, held off a rusher mano e mano for a few seconds but then lost balance and his man applied pressure to the QB, M -.

S1P3: OBJ reception: H -, K -, T -, B -, M - everybody looks good when the pass is out fast. Punt...

S2 P1: H -, K -, T -, B -, M -, 86 - set up wide and provided a key block so OBJ could get the 3 yards he got, 80 - fine block, both Landry and Brown used to provide upfield blocks for the play. Note: only the 5 Olinemen stayed in to block 7 rushers and the play called for them to wall off the right side so the screen pass could go to the right side. They did well doing that.

S2P2: Chubb run and fumble TD for the Pats: 86 - ran upfield for an effective second level block, H -, K -, T -, B - pulled right, and his man simply got lower than him and caused them both to fall down, and in the process Bito’s foot slapped Chubb in the facemask and then the ball, and wala, shit happened, M - pulled right behind Bito, and props for aggressive blocking, ironically the ball scooper used him as a spring board to change his momentum to run towards our EZ.

S3P1: Chubb fumble part 2, electric boogaloo: 81 + basically provided a key block coming from a wierd place along the formation (he was outside of Landry and OBJ in the formation), 80 - helped clear the right side, OBJ + also helped clear the right side with Landry, but once he saw Chubb squirrel free he became the primary escort for Chubb down the field providing a key block too, H - pulls right to help clear the right side but didn’t really have anyone to block, 77 - Teller sighting filling in for Kush, and he is amusing as hell in this play. It’s really worth rewatching if you recorded it. He was trying to squeeze through the line to find a second level block, but on his way he either a) trips over his own feet, or b) he’s a ninja, because he pulls off a full somersault that lands him right in front of the guy he was aiming for in the first place, and then effectively pushes that guy to the ground. Really funny shit. Would like to see a cartwheel block next, T -, B £ Bito was also trying to shoot through for a second level block but totally whiffed and ended up borderline blocking the guy in the back, M -. Note: how about Baker keeping pace with Callaway running down the field behind Chubb and then diving into the pile after the fumble?

S4P1: Baker Int: H - got bent back and McCray didn’t help him by knocking into him sweeping behind the line, 77 -, T -, B £ simply didn’t get to his man in time. Wierd play design though with McCray pulling and having Bito block his vacated area, but with the shuffle pass designed to go in that direction too, M - pulled right. Note: even if Landry would have caught it, there were 2 defenders right there to tackle him. Strange play design. 

S5P1: Chubb 1st down run: H -, K - l guess with 2 consecutive Teller plays resulting in a turnover Teller was deemed as bad luck, T - chip and effective next level block, B -, M -, 86 -.

S5P2: Chubb 1st down run: 86 - held up long enough, H -, K -, T + provided a key block to effectively seal off a hole for Chubb to run behind with Kush’s help, B - pulled right, M - provided another key block to spring Chubb outta the backfield, 88 + nice awareness, started the play blocking right but then noted Chubb coming his way and spun around to provide another key block.

S5P3: Pharoah Brown offsides. Sigh...

S5P4: Chubb run: H -, K -, T -, B - looked like he was blocking mad, M £ he got mitigated pretty quickly by the defender, lost his balance and Chubb had to redirect because it and the result was not good.

Notes:.I’m seeing an uptick in snaps for P. Brown, which l think is a good thing. The guy can block well. No major complaints with McCray after one quarter. He’s definitely an active blocker. I’m not sure if the team sees him as more athletic or what, but l noted him pulling twice this quarter and don’t recall Robinson doing much of that. I think with time and practice with the gang things will get smoother. Bito had the roughest quarter l recall him having in a while. 

 

 

[gumby73]

Ibleedbrown:: the twisted touch of Joe Thomas of OL grading  ... Chubb= the Electric Boogaloo... & The dark Ninja of luck... Why'not Teller .. heck nah, we ain't touching this.. Carry on & luv reading your energy twisted post 👍 ( i see where your coming from seeing the all 22's...and mostly agree, great job)  

[Tour2ma]

13 hours ago, Ibleedbrown said:

pulled right, and his man simply got lower than him and caused them both to fall down, and in the process Bito’s foot

I think it was Van Noy(?) that made this play... he saw the pull coming and attacked it. It was a great read and a better reaction. There's nothing a puller can do in this case... even if he manages to get lower, the result is a logjam in the RB's path.

The flyin' foot fumble was simply a freak result.

[jiggins7919]

As expected, McCray was the absolute worst offensive lineman on the field, and it wasn't even close.  You can use whatever metric you want to, be it PFF or the good old fashioned "eye test", but HOLE-LEEEEE shit he was bad.  Let me give you a little glimpse into his badness (courtesy of Locked on Browns Podcast).

Greg Robinson is known as a colossal bust in the NFL world, and this is no surprise.  We were very excited to get some decent service out of him last year, and the HOPE was that he’d build on that “decent season” and maybe become more consistent and reduce his penalties.  Obviously, that hasn’t happened, and he’s been in the doghouse with the coaches ever since he kicked a guy in the head week 1 and got ejected.  I’m telling you, the amount of stupid things our players do AND the amount of “wtf just happened” plays that go against us are staggering.

Ok, back on topic.

According to PFF, Justin McCray graded out worse than ANY GAME ever played by Greg Robinson.  I would like you to read that part again.  Against the best defense in the history of the free world, we decided to play Justin McCray instead of our embattled LT.  Did it go well?  No…no it didn’t. 

The ONLY reason I can even THINK we benched Greg Robinson is because he’s part of a package of players we’re trading for another LT, and we couldn’t risk him getting hurt.  That’s the only reason that could make sense.  If we wanted to just “see what happens” with an inexperienced LT instead of our starter?  Well, our coach won’t make it through the year because that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of, and I’ve been witness to some massive football dumbness.

 

[jiggins7919]

13 hours ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Baker keeping pace with Callaway running down the field behind Chubb and then diving into the pile after the fumble?

I was very impressed by the hussle and effort by multiple players...they just couldn't recover the ball. More bad luck, and I know it's getting really old, but what can you do? The only thing that I MIGHT be able to say is that PERHAPS we've burned through all of our "WTF bad luck" through the 7 games, and now we're on to our GOOD LUCK? 

There's some evidence to support my theory in that Joe Flacco is out for the year and we're facing a 6th round QB who has never thrown a pass on the NFL. I've been very damning of our team during the 3 game losing streak, and rightfully so, but I firmly believe we're putting it all together this weekend and we're going to lay down the BOOM Sunday. 

[SdBacker80]

My eyes told me the line did well.  

Chubb was most of the time going north and south through holes.  The vaunted 0 blitz was mostly ineffective. 

We had some pre snap penalties two were credited to TE and a WR.  

We had a few occasions a blitzer came through and Mayfield turned his back to the pressure. He did a much better job last year of shuffling in the pocket.

 

[Ibleedbrown]

2 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

I think it was Van Noy(?) that made this play... he saw the pull coming and attacked it. It was a great read and a better reaction. There's nothing a puller can do in this case... even if he manages to get lower, the result is a logjam in the RB's path.

The flyin' foot fumble was simply a freak result.

Yeah, pretty much how l saw it and Bito did what he had to do based on the play design and circumstances that unfolded during it. The 2 guys basically took each others’ legs out and the ball getting kicked was just a freak thing.

[Ibleedbrown]

7 hours ago, jiggins7919 said:

As expected, McCray was the absolute worst offensive lineman on the field, and it wasn't even close.  You can use whatever metric you want to, be it PFF or the good old fashioned "eye test", but HOLE-LEEEEE shit he was bad.  Let me give you a little glimpse into his badness (courtesy of Locked on Browns Podcast).

Greg Robinson is known as a colossal bust in the NFL world, and this is no surprise.  We were very excited to get some decent service out of him last year, and the HOPE was that he’d build on that “decent season” and maybe become more consistent and reduce his penalties.  Obviously, that hasn’t happened, and he’s been in the doghouse with the coaches ever since he kicked a guy in the head week 1 and got ejected.  I’m telling you, the amount of stupid things our players do AND the amount of “wtf just happened” plays that go against us are staggering.

Ok, back on topic.

According to PFF, Justin McCray graded out worse than ANY GAME ever played by Greg Robinson.  I would like you to read that part again.  Against the best defense in the history of the free world, we decided to play Justin McCray instead of our embattled LT.  Did it go well?  No…no it didn’t. 

The ONLY reason I can even THINK we benched Greg Robinson is because he’s part of a package of players we’re trading for another LT, and we couldn’t risk him getting hurt.  That’s the only reason that could make sense.  If we wanted to just “see what happens” with an inexperienced LT instead of our starter?  Well, our coach won’t make it through the year because that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of, and I’ve been witness to some massive football dumbness.

 

Valid points for sure. I actually didn’t realize McCray graded out so badly. He looked alright for a quarter to me. The main issue l saw from him was bumping into and scraping past his own teammates, which l figure will get ironed out with reps and cohesion.

I suppose my line of thinking with Robinson is l don’t see him as the LT of the future with us, and time’s a wasting to find that guy. So if not him then who? Maybe not McCray either. It’s pretty evident there are element of a work in progress for this team, and using the remainder of 2019 to sort out those kinks isn’t a bad idea if it helps create a better future foundation.

Plenty of value to not doing that too though, foremost is the higher potential to get Baker hurt.

[jiggins7919]

On 10/29/2019 at 4:59 PM, Ibleedbrown said:

Valid points for sure. I actually didn’t realize McCray graded out so badly. He looked alright for a quarter to me. The main issue l saw from him was bumping into and scraping past his own teammates, which l figure will get ironed out with reps and cohesion.

I suppose my line of thinking with Robinson is l don’t see him as the LT of the future with us, and time’s a wasting to find that guy. So if not him then who? Maybe not McCray either. It’s pretty evident there are element of a work in progress for this team, and using the remainder of 2019 to sort out those kinks isn’t a bad idea if it helps create a better future foundation.

Plenty of value to not doing that too though, foremost is the higher potential to get Baker hurt.

Check out this article that breaks down McCray's play much better than I could.  It's even worse than you think  😞

 

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/10/how-justin-mccrays-left-tackle-debut-compares-to-greg-robinson-this-season.html

 

[The Gipper]

15 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said:

Check out this article that breaks down McCray's play much better than I could.  It's even worse than you think  😞

 

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/10/how-justin-mccrays-left-tackle-debut-compares-to-greg-robinson-this-season.html

 

JT  come back!!

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

Robinson held a dude for no reason to set the Browns back to 1st and 20 against Seattle(last drive of game). He also kicked a guy in the face like an idiot. Costed this team majorly on 2 separate occasions. McCray filled in and didn’t commit boneheaded penalties. 

[jiggins7919]

25 minutes ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

Robinson held a dude for no reason to set the Browns back to 1st and 20 against Seattle(last drive of game). He also kicked a guy in the face like an idiot. Costed this team majorly on 2 separate occasions. McCray filled in and didn’t commit boneheaded penalties. 

Yeah, I totally get that, and I honestly think the last penalty was the straw that broke the camel's back.  That holding call could have totally been overlooked, but Greg has the reputation for holding, so he's going to get nailed more often than not.  The bigger issue is your QB getting hurt.  So yeah, Greg will kill you with penalties that come at the WORST time, but he's also less likely to get your QB killed, so there's that too.  

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

17 minutes ago, jiggins7919 said:

So yeah, Greg will kill you with penalties that come at the WORST time, but he's also less likely to get your QB killed, so there's that too.  

The hold had no impact on the play, and there was no denying he grabbed. Felt like he was throwing the game.

I'm thinking the job is Kendall Lamm's for the taking. He just got healthy this week and seems to fit the bill. He started 13 games with the Texans last year.

 

[jiggins7919]

16 minutes ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

The hold had no impact on the play, and there was no denying he grabbed. Felt like he was throwing the game.

I'm thinking the job is Kendall Lamm's for the taking. He just got healthy this week and seems to fit the bill. He started 13 games with the Texans last year.

 

That's a great point about Lamm, I forgot that he's finally healthy.  That poor bastard finally gets his chance to play and gets rolled up on almost immediately.  I was scared that it was an ACL blowout because that's exactly what it looked like, so in the grand scheme of things he somehow got lucky.  Very interested to see what he can do because there's no way you can trot out McCray after that performance.  It was just too terrible.  

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

Just now, jiggins7919 said:

because there's no way you can trot out McCray after that performance.  It was just too terrible.  

No way you can trot out the guy who lost his job to McCray either. Its Lamm or bust at this point.