jbluhm86 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 The Hill: Iraq's parliament votes to expel US military Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Meaningless vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said: The Hill: Iraq's parliament votes to expel US military The Iraq war ended long ago by the way. December 2007 The withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Iraq began in December 2007 with the end of the Iraq War troop surge of 2007 and was completed by December 2011, bringing an end to the Iraq War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Meaningless vote. The government of Iraq voted for the US to withdrawal from their country, so it's hardly meaningless. They want us out, and anything that happens to them afterwards is on them now. Time to bring our people home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Actually, they passed a resolution calling for ALL foreign troops to leave the country. Think Iran will comply? Yeah, meaningless vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 https://www.theblaze.com/news/iraqis-dancing-in-street-soleimani "Iraqis who have demonstrated for months against a government they see as beholden to Iran broke into song and dance Friday after a U.S. strike killed a top Iranian commander," the AFP reported. "Oh, Qasem Soleimani, this is a divine victory," the crowds cheered in Baghdad's iconic Tahrir Square. "This is God's revenge for the blood of those killed," one person added, according to the AFP, referring the hundreds killed during the demonstrations. Syrian-American journalist Hassan Hassan tweeted another video allegedly showing Iraqis celebrating in the streets following the news. In this video, hundreds of people are shown dancing around a banner that displays Soleimani's face with a large red "X" over it.P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted January 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Axe said: Actually, they passed a resolution calling for ALL foreign troops to leave the country. Think Iran will comply? Yeah, meaningless vote As I stated previously, if Iran moves in after we leave, that's on the Iraqis. We fought for them to have the right to determine their own fate, and they voted that they don't want us there anymore, so be it. We've spent nearly two decades in country, spent over a trillion dollars, and lost thousands of American lives doing it. It's time to come home. Trump campaigned on bringing the troops home and getting out of the Middle East, so now's his chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, jbluhm86 said: As I stated previously, if Iran moves in after we leave, that's on the Iraqis. After we leave? Are you joking? You clearly haven't been paying attention.. Why do you suppose their top General was in Iraq if their forces weren't? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted January 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Axe said: After we leave? Are you joking? Do the Iraqis not have their own military? Have we not poured billions of dollars into training and equipping them? How much more blood and treasure do we have to throw at that boondoggle before we finally leave? Let the Iraqis fight off the Iranians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 You obviously have no clue.. Have a nice night.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted January 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Axe said: You obviously have no clue.. Have a nice night.. Obviously, you have no clue. Iran is already in Iraq, and they didn't invade, they were invited by the very Iraqi government that we funnel billions in to. It's not in our interests to keep up the status quo over there. The vast majority of Iranians and Iraqis are Shia Muslims, and they will support each other no matter what. We've been in that country for nearly two decades, and the violence there hasn't gotten any better. We're wasting time, money and American lives on people who don't want us there in the first place. What, do you think that sinking trillions of more dollars, a couple more decades and thousands of more American lives will change anything over there? It's the Vietnam War all over again. Our troops could be best used elsewhere, like securing our southern border and fighting off the drug cartels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 A. the vote has no legal authority. B. It was simply that ALL foreign forces leave. C. Which, the iranian forces will not. D. Iran is a Shiite country. Only? Shiites attended the vote. The Sunni and Kurds in the parliment did not attend. https://www.theblaze.com/news/iraqi-parliament-votes-to-take-action-against-us The resolution was backed by most Shiite members of parliament, who hold a majority of seats. Many Sunni and Kurdish legislators did not show up for the session, apparently because they oppose abolishing the deal. The resolution itself, which needs the approval of Prime Minister Adel-Abdul Mahdi, has no legal force, the Wall Street Journal reported. However, the resolution would begin the legal process to expel American forces from country, which have lawfully operated in Iraq since 2014 when Islamic State terrorists gained control over large chunks of Iraqi territory. "It's time for American troops to leave," Mahdi reportedly said on Sunday. Mahdi called Soleimani's death a "political assassination" and revealed that the Iranian general was in Baghdad for a meeting with him, Axios reported. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adil_Abdul-Mahdi n 1967. Abdul-Mahdi joined the ICP-Central Leadership, and continued being active until it gradually disappeared by the early 1980s. By that time, Abdul-Mahdi adopted Iranian Islamic ideas, eventually merging with the Islamists when Ayatollah Khomeini eradicated the communists and other liberal opposition groups in Iran. Abdul-Mahdi continued his association with Iran and gradually amalgamated his group within the ICP-Central Leadership with the Iranians, rejecting his Marxist past and devoting all his group's time to propagating Khomeini's ideas in France, where he lived at the time. He eventually was made a member of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, an exiled opposition party and militia that was formed by Iran in Tehran in 1982 but composed exclusively of Iraqi exiles.[8] In 2006, Abdul-Mahdi, outgoing Vice President in the transitional government, unsuccessfully ran for the United Iraqi Alliance's nomination for Prime Minister against incumbent Ibrahim al-Jaafari. He lost by one vote. He was reportedly considered to be a possibility for Prime Minister once again until Nouri al-Maliki became the UIA nominee. Subsequently, Abdul-Mahdi was re-elected as Vice President of Iraq. He exerted his limited authority in that role by delaying the first meeting of the National Assembly in March. He resigned from his position as vice-president on 31 May 2011.[9] In December 2006, the Associated Press reported that Abdul-Mahdi could be the next Prime Minister of Iraq if a new multi-sectarian coalition succeeded in toppling the government of Nouri al-Maliki.[10] On 26 February 2007, he survived an assassination attempt that killed ten people. He had been targeted two times prior.[11] In 2009, his bodyguards were the perpetrators of a bloody bank robbery in Baghdad.[12] In July 2013, Abdul-Mahdi announced his decision to give up his retirement pensions as a former vice president.[13] On 2 October 2018, Iraqi president Barham Salih selected Abdul-Mahdi to be the Prime Minister of Iraq. Mahdi had 30 days to form a new government.[2] On 25 October 2018, Abdul Mahdi was sworn into office, five months after the 2018 elections.[14] In April 2019, Abdul-Mahdi met with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin. He announced a $14 billion plan to upgrade Iraq's electricity infrastructure, with likely cooperation with German company Siemens. Merkel also pledged to strengthen economic and security cooperation between the two countries, and to continue German support for reconstruction efforts in Iraq.[15] Resignation On 29 November 2019, after weeks of violent protests, Mahdi announced that he would resign his post.[16][17] The Iraqi parliament approved his resignation on 1 December 2019. However, he will continue on in a caretaker role until parliament approves a full-time replacement.[18][19] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 what's really sad, is how the left is easily manipulated and encouraged by.... even foreign media, and hostile foreign governments. Just... sad. and dangerous, eventually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 If the sunnis and the Kurds withheld from the vote it's probably at least close to meaningless, no? I think in general most Americans would agree they were tired of having a presence there anyway. Except possibly the Democrats who only view it as a way to attack Trump so it's hard to take them seriously. (And some hardcore military Republicans who just can't get enough boots-on-the-ground no matter what) You're a smart guy JB and always informed whenever you post. What's your opinion? Would you be pleased to leave the region or should we step it up? WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 I supported the Iraq war in 03 but today I realize it was a big mistake. Regime change and nation building got us what? Voted to be expelled from the country we "liberated" for one thing. We need to learn that when dealing with Muslim countries no matter what we do to help them they will always consider us to be the infidels. Bush's idea of bringing democracy to the middle east was a noble gesture but a fool's errand. We had a policy of containment with Saddam Hussein and a no fly zone to protect the Kurds which was the better option than going to war to eliminate Hussein. After losing thousands of American soldiers and thousands being wounded and spending trillions of dollars we only ended up with ungrateful Iraqi's voting to expel us and Iran having more influence than ever in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said: I supported the Iraq war in 03 but today I realize it was a big mistake. Regime change and nation building got us what? Voted to be expelled from the country we "liberated" for one thing. We need to learn that when dealing with Muslim countries no matter what we do to help them they will always consider us to be the infidels. Bush's idea of bringing democracy to the middle east was a noble gesture but a fool's errand. We had a policy of containment with Saddam Hussein and a no fly zone to protect the Kurds which was the better option than going to war to eliminate Hussein. After losing thousands of American soldiers and thousands being wounded and spending trillions of dollars we only ended up with ungrateful Iraqi's voting to expel us and Iran having more influence than ever in Iraq. again, a friend of mine back then, ended up in the army. He was always a cantankerous leftie back in the day. Tried to get me to read "mein kampf" sp? and other stuff. So, he enlists in the army to not get drafted. lol Then, later years, he ends up in intel in Iraq. He told me directly one time...that if the American people knew what they aren't allowed to know - they would KNOW that we HAD to go into Iraq, ABSOLUTELY. That startled me, coming from him. The trouble is, he said we should never, ever have stayed. Said Muslim cultures don't jive with democracy/republics. But he would never tell me anything classified, even tough I teased him about it with questions. dammit. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 I hate Iran with a passion. Spent months circling the gonzo station during the Iran hostage crisis while the peanut farmer was President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 Let the sand hillbillies have their dump of a country. They will fight among each other forever. They aren’t wired for Western democracy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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