Tour2ma Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done. By David E. Sanger, Eric Lipton, Eileen Sullivan and Michael Crowley Published March 19, 2020Updated March 20, 2020, 9:49 a.m. ET WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later, the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead. That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August. The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed. The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings. Many of the potentially deadly consequences of a failure to address the shortcomings are now playing out in all-too-real fashion across the country. And it was hardly the first warning for the nation’s leaders. Three times over the past four years the U.S. government, across two administrations, had grappled in depth with what a pandemic would look like, identifying likely shortcomings and in some cases recommending specific action. In 2016, the Obama administration produced a comprehensive report on the lessons learned by the government from battling Ebola. In January 2017, outgoing Obama administration officials ran an extensive exercise on responding to a pandemic for incoming senior officials of the Trump administration. The full story of the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus is still playing out. Government officials, health professionals, journalists and historians will spend years looking back on the muddled messages and missed opportunities of the past three months, as President Trump moved from dismissing the coronavirus as a few cases that would soon be “under control” to his revisionist announcement on Monday that he had known all along that a pandemic was on the way. What the scenario makes clear, however, is that his own administration had already modeled a similar pandemic and understood its potential trajectory. The White House defended its record, saying it responded to the 2019 exercise with an executive order to improve the availability and quality of flu vaccines, and that it moved early this year to increase funding for the Department of Health and Human Services’ program that focuses on global pandemic threats. “Any suggestion that President Trump did not take the threat of COVID-19 seriously is false,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman. But officials have declined to say why the administration was so slow to roll out broad testing or to move faster, as the simulations all indicated it should, to urge social distancing and school closings. Asked at his news briefing on Thursday about the government’s preparedness, Mr. Trump responded: “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion. Nobody has ever seen anything like this before.” The work done over the past five years, however, demonstrates that the government had considerable knowledge about the risks of a pandemic and accurately predicted the very types of problems Mr. Trump is now scrambling belatedly to address. Crimson Contagion, the exercise conducted last year in Washington and 12 states including New York and Illinois, showed that federal agencies under Mr. Trump continued the Obama-era effort to think ahead about a pandemic. But the planning and thinking happened many layers down in the bureaucracy. The knowledge and sense of urgency about the peril appear never to have gotten sufficient attention at the highest level of the executive branch or from Congress, leaving the nation with funding shortfalls, equipment shortages and disorganization within and among various branches and levels of government. The October 2019 report in particular documents that officials at the Departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services, and even at the White House’s National Security Council, were aware of the potential for a respiratory virus outbreak originating in China to spread quickly to the United States and overwhelm the nation. “Nobody ever thought of numbers like this,’’ Mr. Trump said on Wednesday, at a news conference. In fact, they had. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 I find this eerily reminiscent of "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 oh, baloney. The WHO and china SAID IT WAS NOT CONTAGIOUS HUMAN TO HUMAN BEFORE IT LEFT CHINA. which, under the tests you mention, it WAS. Half truth + facts = you got no point on the op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 your dems were too busy with hate over losing the last pres election. Pollak: Democrats Pushed Impeachment While Coronavirus Spread https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/13/... 7 days ago · When Republicans warned Democrats that impeachment was a waste of time, a divisive partisan exercise, and a distraction from the real issues facing the country — a lesson Republicans learned the hard way, in Bill Clinton’s impeachment, 21 years before — Democrats ignored them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 What is "no point on the op" '? Regardless In your rush to reject that with which you disagree, and that's all you did, you missed the point. The point was that the exercise warned of extreme shortages... confusion... infighting... all of which have come to pass. The time to address these shortcomings was when the report was issued not when the Chinese lied or we learned they lied. It's called preparedness... and the Trump bunch flat-ass wasn't... The truth is hard sometimes, cal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: your dems were too busy with hate over losing the last pres election. Pollak: Democrats Pushed Impeachment While Coronavirus Spread https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/13/... lol... so tying up all those lawyers hurt HHS planning? Did they miss Pam Bondi? Go google-up some more shit and throw it at the wall... never know... something might stick... The truth is hard... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Tour2ma said: What is "no point on the op" '? Regardless In your rush to reject that with which you disagree, and that's all you did, you missed the point. The point was that the exercise warned of extreme shortages... confusion... infighting... all of which have come to pass. The time to address these shortcomings was when the report was issued not when the Chinese lied or we learned they lied. It's called preparedness... and the Trump bunch flat-ass wasn't... The truth is hard sometimes, cal... apparently so, for you - the exercise was designed with an emphasis based on PERSON TO PERSON CONTAGION. The WHO, AGAIN, and CHINA, DECLARED THAT THE CORONA VIRUS WAS NOT TRANSMITTABLE PERSON TO PERSON> therefore, the exercise, if it actually did exist as reported, had nothing to do with the corona virus, until it was WAY TOO LATE and it spread all around the world. That is the freaking point. They denited it was a problem, the WHO even went with the lie. and that's that. If you did a wartime exercise with aliens from another galaxy coming here to take our planet - do you throw all your available funding to get ready to fight that ? Of course not. IN CONCLUSION - the dirty commie chinese and the WHO could have admitted the truth way, way early, and the results of the exercise would be been applicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, Tour2ma said: lol... so tying up all those lawyers hurt HHS planning? Did they miss Pam Bondi? Go google-up some more shit and throw it at the wall... never know... something might stick... The truth is hard... no, it just completely devasted any chance Pres Trump had to work with your demoquack hater sombetches. as in, by your own op subject - THEY IGNORED that exercise for three years and THEY made the budget. It's your dems you should own up to bashing, not Pres Trump. and now you know the rest of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 I was disappointed we were not prepared for mass coronavirus testing as South Korea seemed to be the model to follow in that regard. But does that fall on Trump or the CDC? It falls on our CDC. When the head of the CDC said testing was a failing he didn't mention it was a failing of CDC. And then there is this: EXCLUSIVE: Former HHS official claims CDC leaders "lied" to Trump over coronavirus testing https://wwmt.com/news/coronavirus/exclusive-former-hhs-official-claims-cdc-leaders-lied-to-trump-over-coronavirus-testing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: no, it just completely devasted any chance Pres Trump had to work with your demoquack hater sombetches. Because he was too busy testifying? lol The exercise warned of gross shortages and gross lack of preparedness... and nothing was done. But you know what... that Pandemic unit Trump ran off from the NSC could have dealt with it... and Trump could have watched Bondi on TV all day. The truth is hard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: Because he was too busy testifying? lol The exercise warned of gross shortages and gross lack of preparedness... and nothing was done. But you know what... that Pandemic unit Trump ran off from the NSC could have dealt with it... and Trump could have watched Bondi on TV all day. The truth is hard...for me to come up with because I hate Trump FIFY. Trump never testified, so you are wrong there. The obamao leakers/traitors are good to be gone. The people Pres Trump have working on it are the best in the world. And consider this: The NSC heads are not the NSC. There are many, many people who do just fine without politically left leaning obaMao refugee figureheads to tell them how to do their jobs. You be wrong, Tour. You betcha: Fact Check: WH Dissolved Pandemic Unit but Did Not 'Fire ... https://dailytruthreport.com/fact-check-wh-dissolved-pandemic-unit-but-did-not-fire... CLAIM: President Donald Trump “fired the entire White House pandemic team.” VERDICT: Partly false. Former National Security Advisor John Bolton “dissolved” the pandemic office but staff remained to deal with the issue. Last month, Democrats tried a new way of blaming Trump for the coronavirus outbreak. Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg claimed during the Democrat debate in ... FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not 'Fire' Pandemic Specialist ... https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/02/25/fact-check-no-trump-did-not-fire-pandemic... The specialist was not fired; he quit. Some CDC cuts were proposed, but not implemented. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg claimed at the Democrat debate in Charleston, South Carolina, on Tuesday night that President Donald Trump had “fired” the government’s pandemic expert and “defunded” the Centers for Disease Control: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: I was disappointed we were not prepared for mass coronavirus testing as South Korea seemed to be the model to follow in that regard. But does that fall on Trump or the CDC? It falls on our CDC. When the head of the CDC said testing was a failing he didn't mention it was a failing of CDC. And then there is this: EXCLUSIVE: Former HHS official claims CDC leaders "lied" to Trump over coronavirus testing https://wwmt.com/news/coronavirus/exclusive-former-hhs-official-claims-cdc-leaders-lied-to-trump-over-coronavirus-testing Mentioning S. Korea is a good point, but S. Korea is next door to N. Korea, who has threatened all sorts of nasty stuff on them over decades. They have reason to be more prepared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, calfoxwc said: Mentioning S. Korea is a good point, but S. Korea is next door to N. Korea, who has threatened all sorts of nasty stuff on them over decades. They have reason to be more prepared. Our CDC dropped the ball on testing. Trump finally stepped in and went to private sector business to make the test kits because our CDC bungled it. This is what South Korea did they had 4 private companies go into mass production.........but I am always big on the private sector doing things better and more efficiently than govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: your dems were too busy with hate over losing the last pres election. Pollak: Democrats Pushed Impeachment While Coronavirus Spread https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/13/... 7 days ago · When Republicans warned Democrats that impeachment was a waste of time, a divisive partisan exercise, and a distraction from the real issues facing the country — a lesson Republicans learned the hard way, in Bill Clinton’s impeachment, 21 years before — Democrats ignored them. That's a hell of a way to try and politically shift the blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: FIFY. Trump never testified, so you are wrong there. The obamao leakers/traitors are good to be gone. The people Pres Trump have working on it are the best in the world. And consider this: The NSC heads are not the NSC. There are many, many people who do just fine without politically left leaning obaMao refugee figureheads to tell them how to do their jobs. You be wrong, Tour. You betcha: Fact Check: WH Dissolved Pandemic Unit but Did Not 'Fire ... https://dailytruthreport.com/fact-check-wh-dissolved-pandemic-unit-but-did-not-fire... CLAIM: President Donald Trump “fired the entire White House pandemic team.” VERDICT: Partly false. Former National Security Advisor John Bolton “dissolved” the pandemic office but staff remained to deal with the issue. Last month, Democrats tried a new way of blaming Trump for the coronavirus outbreak. Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg claimed during the Democrat debate in ... FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not 'Fire' Pandemic Specialist ... https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/02/25/fact-check-no-trump-did-not-fire-pandemic... The specialist was not fired; he quit. Some CDC cuts were proposed, but not implemented. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg claimed at the Democrat debate in Charleston, South Carolina, on Tuesday night that President Donald Trump had “fired” the government’s pandemic expert and “defunded” the Centers for Disease Control: The "Daily Truth Report"? .... awe It happened. The unit was disbanded. This is a fact. If the argument here is "well Trump didn't do it, Bolton did, so it's not Trump's fault" then that's a shitty defense. Trump gets credit for anything the happens anywhere in the country that's remotely positive but if it's something bad that a senior official of his did then it's not his fault.... Give me a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: I was disappointed we were not prepared for mass coronavirus testing as South Korea seemed to be the model to follow in that regard. But does that fall on Trump or the CDC? It falls on our CDC. When the head of the CDC said testing was a failing he didn't mention it was a failing of CDC. So Trump's political appointee, the man he appointed to head the CDC, lied to him? Maybe he should pick better people. But in looking at the single-sourced Sinclair media (oy vey) article at the heart of now multiple reports (all by Sinclare affiliates) it never quite says what the lie was. The CDC failed to produce the tests... but that's a fail, not a lie. Were I conspiracy theory prone... and generally I am not and leave that to cal because I only like to compete where I'm competitive... but if I were, then I'd say the fall guy has been selected. We shall see... Now as far as the fail.... well in crash programs you plan for fails with these things called "contingency plans". Here there could have been several options including buying WHO tests or contracting an outside company to produce the tests in parallel. In the latter case even, if all went well at the CDC you still have added production capacity in case you need it. Turns out we probably would have even if the CDC production was flawless. This is the kind of thing preparedness exercises are good for... funny how I keep coming back to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: Trump never testified, so you are wrong there. OMG... you honestly did not see that I was mocking you there? LMFAO! Dude... I watched the trial! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: So Trump's political appointee, the man he appointed to head the CDC, lied to him? Maybe he should pick better people. But in looking at the single-sourced Sinclair media (oy vey) article at the heart of now multiple reports (all by Sinclare affiliates) it never quite says what the lie was. The CDC failed to produce the tests... but that's a fail, not a lie. Were I conspiracy theory prone... and generally I am not and leave that to cal because I only like to compete where I'm competitive... but if I were, then I'd say the fall guy has been selected. We shall see... Now as far as the fail.... well in crash programs you plan for fails with these things called "contingency plans". Here there could have been several options including buying WHO tests or contracting an outside company to produce the tests in parallel. In the latter case even, if all went well at the CDC you still have added production capacity in case you need it. Turns out we probably would have even if the CDC production was flawless. This is the kind of thing preparedness exercises are good for... funny how I keep coming back to this point. If you tell someone you can do something and you can't do it., It could be a fail or a "lie". The lie would be you know you can't do it and say you can anyway. I don't know about a fall guy I'm pretty big on that being China. The fault of the flu Pandemic goes back to China. Big government rarely gets things right as the Obamacare roll out fiasco proved. How long did it take to get that website up and running? Good for Trump to have stopped wasting time with CDC failing on tests and going to the private sector who appears to have promptly delivered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: FIFY. First... unfix that FIFY now. You get one chance tonite and it expires at dawn. And don't you ever dare again to pretend you know my feelings about Trump. I have already said since my return to this pit that I only hate one former pol and who it is is my business. None in the game today qualify... not even your boy. So get over it... a phrase you should appreciate... and find another way to deal with my criticisms of Trump. Clean it up... and I'll deal with the rest tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, Tour2ma said: First... unfix that FIFY now. You get one chance tonite and it expires at dawn. And don't you ever dare again to pretend you know my feelings about Trump. I have already said since my return to this pit that I only hate one former pol and who it is is my business. None in the game today qualify... not even your boy. So get over it... a phrase you should appreciate... and find another way to deal with my criticisms of Trump. Clean it up... and I'll deal with the rest tomorrow. I've been curious about who this politician is since you brought it up. I'm going to guess Reagan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: First... unfix that FIFY now. You get one chance tonite and it expires at dawn. And don't you ever dare again to pretend you know my feelings about Trump. I have already said since my return to this pit that I only hate one former pol and who it is is my business. None in the game today qualify... not even your boy. So get over it... a phrase you should appreciate... and find another way to deal with my criticisms of Trump. Clean it up... and I'll deal with the rest tomorrow. good luck its easier for him to just assume what people that disagree with him think so hat he can put them in neat little boxes I've been telling the guy for 3 years I didn't vote for Hilary and yet he repeatedly says I did and that I love her. He may just have a learning or reading disability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 8 hours ago, MLD Woody said: good luck its easier for him to just assume what people that disagree with him think so hat he can put them in neat little boxes I've been telling the guy for 3 years I didn't vote for Hilary and yet he repeatedly says I did and that I love her. He may just have a learning or reading disability. Yep, and I got TDS recently according to cal when I have made it quite clear multiple times it's a contempt for trumpy going into decades, not years. I thought he was a fraud long before cal thought he was a carnival barker. But that was before the brainwashing from the chronic pathological liar took it's toll on him. Nothing like a true believer.🤩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Yep, and I got TDS recently according to cal when I have made it quite clear multiple times it's a contempt for trumpy going into decades, not years. I thought he was a fraud long before cal thought he was a carnival barker. But that was before the brainwashing from the chronic pathological liar took it's toll on him. Nothing like a true believer.🤩 The funny thing about that was that 4 years ago during that Republican primary he didn't like Trump. He even called him a con man. What happened? Cal fell for the con and now here we are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: The funny thing about that was that 4 years ago during that Republican primary he didn't like Trump. He even called him a con man. What happened? Cal fell for the con and now here we are Trump Derangement Syndrome and Cal Derangement Syndrome...two sides to the same coin? You betcha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Trump Derangement Syndrome and Cal Derangement Syndrome...two sides to the same coin? You betcha Hahahaha yeah. I better stop posting all of those woodpecker pictures when I get angry in threads..... ... Oh wait, right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TexasAg1969 Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said: Trump Derangement Syndrome and Cal Derangement Syndrome...two sides to the same coin? You betcha But mine has more credentials based on time in grade.🙄🤗 I win! I win!😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Tour2ma said: OMG... you honestly did not see that I was mocking you there? LMFAO! Dude... I watched the trial! so did i. I'm retired. You just stepped in it - unless you had it on record. You aren't retired, right? lol You're having too much fun being wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 9 hours ago, MLD Woody said: good luck its easier for him to just assume what people that disagree with him think so hat he can put them in neat little boxes I've been telling the guy for 3 years I didn't vote for Hilary and yet he repeatedly says I did and that I love her. He may just have a learning or reading disability. "gulp....Tour....will YOU be my friend? Please, please, please?" ........................ pretty please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, MLD Woody said: The funny thing about that was that 4 years ago during that Republican primary he didn't like Trump. He even called him a con man. What happened? Cal fell for the con and now here we are I've explained that. I was just being honest. But, I'll explain it again. I have often stated, I didn't like Trump earlier on. Everybody who was here, knows it, I suppose. But, when he started winning, and I started listening to him OBJECTIVELY, and I started understanding that he was serious. The caricature was gone, the Real American was stepping forward. I saw that he was very, very strong in will, defiant to bs, totally able to stand on his own two feet. Best, he was an outsider, and everything he said - a lot of my friends and I, were saying. I grew to understand that the corrupt left would never compromise him, or scare him. After watching Reagan and Bush get ridiculed over false flags, etc, Pres Trump was the right pick. And, he has proven us right this entire three years. I figure, my own opinion, that in a surprising way, he is similar a bit to Ben Franklin and George Washington. Those are the first two men written about in a brilliant book - "Seven Who Shaped Our Destiny = The Founding Fathers as Revolutionaries" by Richard B. Morris. Franklin and Washington both had failures in their lives, struggled at times, both weren't the most prudish about their sexual activity - both were brash often, eloquent more and more as they aged. Both were exceptionally intelligent and determined... a lot of similarities to Pres Trump. The others are John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton. It's a brilliant work - with deep research done to paint the history of these men. How they struggled in their lives...and became to be famous great leaders of their time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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