A legitimate question - are we headed for a 2nd Civil War>?

[calfoxwc]

food for thought. How far will the left push America? to the breaking point?

https://www.redstate.com/diary/coolhand/2020/06/05/is-a-second-civil-war-coming/

[jbluhm86]

Only if both sides of the political and ideological isles continue to be hyper-partisan and refuse to find common ground to work together. This board is representative of America at large: much as people on here seem to group together and take sides based on whether they're Conservative/Republican/Pro-Trump/Right etc or whether Liberal/Democrat/Pro-Bernie or Biden/Left etc, the same goes for America as a whole.

Just, for a moment, try to detach yourselves from your political views and stop to look at the state of this board. What do you see? I see nothing but flame-baiting and trolling from both sides here; I'm as guilty as anyone else here of doing so. But, in the end, if we continue as we are now, what will we accomplish? Who's minds on here will we have changed by continuing to be at each other's throats? Same goes for America at large. The political dichotomy of this country is being driven by the minority of hyperpartisans in both the Conservative and Liberal movements. Everyone is so caught up in trying to win a moral or ideological victory over one another, that we have stopped talking to one another and trying to seek common ground with each other. And once you get to a point to where everyone refuses to talk to each other, that is when violence starts.

[Westside Steve]

I don't think there's going to be a Civil War and the simple reason is the Americans are so extremely affluent even the poorest Among Us. You see Civil Wars and power grabs in the third world and banana republics where a mob can actually over run the houses of government kill everybody and just sit down in their office chairs or Throne or whatever.  It might be generational, it reminds me of the 60s unrest I remember that was when baby boomers we're coming of age. Young people are more prone to doing this crazy kind of shit. And today they like to pretend they are oppressed. They aren't real revolutionaries. For all the noise and hogwash there wasn't a revolution then and there won't be a revolution now.  They're more like dogs chasing cars. You can stop the car open the door and give the dog the keys and he has no idea what to do.

But these are ugly times.

WSS

[Westside Steve]

And of course there are these idiots. By the way who the fuck is lizzo?

http://ow.ly/QgEo30qMYtW

WSS

[mjp28]

Civil War I kind of doubt it, there are no definite physical boundaries, there are no North vs South dividing lines.

This is pretty much a sociatial shift exactly how it will end up is yet to be seen.

[tiamat63]

No.

[TexasAg1969]

It will be at the voting booth where it belongs.

[calfoxwc]

10 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

Only if both sides of the political and ideological isles continue to be hyper-partisan and refuse to find common ground to work together. This board is representative of America at large: much as people on here seem to group together and take sides based on whether they're Conservative/Republican/Pro-Trump/Right etc or whether Liberal/Democrat/Pro-Bernie or Biden/Left etc, the same goes for America as a whole.

Just, for a moment, try to detach yourselves from your political views and stop to look at the state of this board. What do you see? I see nothing but flame-baiting and trolling from both sides here; I'm as guilty as anyone else here of doing so. But, in the end, if we continue as we are now, what will we accomplish? Who's minds on here will we have changed by continuing to be at each other's throats? Same goes for America at large. The political dichotomy of this country is being driven by the minority of hyperpartisans in both the Conservative and Liberal movements. Everyone is so caught up in trying to win a moral or ideological victory over one another, that we have stopped talking to one another and trying to seek common ground with each other. And once you get to a point to where everyone refuses to talk to each other, that is when violence starts.

Fair enough - the only ? difference is, the left bashed Bush horribly the entire time, but during eight years of obaMao, it was all "respect the office", when Benghazi, uranium one, irs targeting, etc kept breaking.

Obviously, the left railed against anyone wanting to talk about that stuff. But from day one, all hell broke loose when Pres Trum won.

  Not one conservative that I read about, tried to reverse the election of obaMao. But even before Pres Trump was inaugurated, the left/deep state started trying to ruin Pres Trump, and ruin Flynn, abusing their power for political gain.

   That set the stage for "no going back", unless all the facts come out, and those who broke laws are punished. Like comey, mccabe, clapper and brennan, strzok, priestap, and rosenstien to name a few.

   That bs led complete failure, and had the left angrier than they were before Pres Trump won.

On this board, it does seem to be typical of where we are now - the exception is, we never called obaMao "the black king", "king liar", and all the other asinine slurs any of the left can come up with.

    History tends to repeat itself - the burning down of the ROTC building at Kent State, Chicago riots in 68 was it? Mayor dirty daly?

   The major difference is, now, the left is in revolution mode all the way up to lefty members of Congress,

(which seems to be 100 percent of them these days), dem leftwing governors and mayors who give a green light to the violent protestors that are very similar to the german nazi brownshirts, and Mussolini blackshirts.

    And, there were never brown or black shirt rioters on the right side. What concerns me, is that Real America, even if they don't like Pres Trump, still supports America and our Flag and Anthem, and cherish our heritage and Freedom.

   The left despises everything about America, and wants to take it all away from Real America.

I think? it's because we have a major subculture that wants a free utopian socialist ride, and any excuse to raise hell to get it is a great excuse. The violence and intimidation against Real America is very similar to the violence and intimidation by the British to the pioneers.

  It isn't Real America protesting, demanding to get rid of the electoral college, demanding the elimination of police departments, and wearing Che' shirts here and there... and talking about making America into a different global place.

   right now, it seems like we have been in a soft civil war, except we didn't know it.

[calfoxwc]

https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/06/05/chief-out-after-offering-support-for-armed-citizens/

[DieHardBrownsFan]

 

[BaconHound]

Simple answer is no

[gumby73]

17 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

How far will the left push America? to the breaking point?

Keep it Simple Cal   

     Civil* Policing    

[calfoxwc]

 

[calfoxwc]

 

[calfoxwc]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/12/limbaugh_democrats_will_do_their_best_to_keep_economy_shut_down_just_to_ensure_that_trump_loses.html?fbclid=IwAR0ZU95282xrKGtkPy42hKi4XFf4cDvTjmyaNg4nm0HkVc2ziA261phvuaA&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=mixi&utm_campaign=realclearpolitics

[calfoxwc]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/08/22/dershowitz_on_statues_liberals_are_doing_what_stalin_did_erasing_history.html?fbclid=IwAR2frwjnXu0e3mzosqt5p9ZwMbMgy-I2mCa2MkUBOd0mqxrWuRheMKLnrD4

Dershowitz On Statues: Liberals Are Doing What Stalin Did, "Erasing History"

 

[calfoxwc]

http://disq.us/p/1ll36up

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It took the Marxist Bolsheviks of 1917 and a Lenin to set the stage for a Stalin tyrant.

Fatherless rabble rousers from broken families who owned nothing, had nothing at risk, and thus nothing to lose, the Bolsheviks told the Russian people when they had reached the apex of Russian civilization in the arts, architecture, in everything,

We’re going to redistribute and take from the wealthy haves and give to you the havenots, inculcating secular jealousy and class envy.

––Dividing, and in their wake, destroying Russian culture, Russian traditions, and all that was Russian.

Then 40 years later in 1957 Havana, two fatherless bearded Cuban brothers and another from Argentina who owned nothing, had nothing at risk, and thus nothing to lose, told the Cuban people after they had reached by so many metrics the highest standard of living in Latin America,

We’re going to take from all those Cubans that have too much, and we’re going to give it to you.
There is no Cuban culture before us, no God, we know well what is best for you, we are gods.

And many Cubans like the Russians before them swallowed that collectivist Marxist rhetoric garbage.

Then nearly four decades later, the fatherless Clown in Caracas who owned nothing and thus had nothing to lose, told the Venezuelan people the same after they had reached their zenith with all their natural resources,

We’re going to redistribute and take from all those wealthy Venezuelans that have too much, and we're going to give it to you, and the Venezuelans swallowed that, too, while today tens of thousands of Venezuelans remain in exile in Miami-Doral, Florida having lost their culture and their country, their very way of life.

Whether it is the Russian, Cuban, or Venezuelan revolutions, they are all the same:

Subversive undermining Leftist movements, collectivists that with soothing tones of brotherhood, provide something for nothing, preying on the goodness and decency of their own noble people turning them against their forebears once generations of them have succeeded in their own society of faith and virtue.

What did we have in the White House for eight long years, but a fatherless rabble-rousing community organizer and his Vice President, both of whom have never had a real job in the private sector their entire risk-free lives of comfort and bliss, all on the government dole just as their chosen successor,

Central planners that turn Americans against themselves, against our forebears who brought us the peace and prosperity we enjoy, against our heritage, our traditions, against everything that is American,

By drawing on the basest of human emotions, avarice, jealousy and class envy with their perversions of our language, revisionist history, and their collectivist creed of sloth and deceit undermining us from within.

It is but history repeating itself, as secular Leftist movements throughout history do, dividing their own people by first disassociating them from their past and choosing the easy road of making a living off of the ridicule of forebears, not the hard work of building upon them, and by tearing them down, tearing us all down.

Ask any American of Russian, Korean, Cuban, Greek, or Venezuelan descent.

Mere stage setters for future tyrants, all of them, as history repeats itself, time and again.

[jbluhm86]

I think people who are dismissing the possibility of civil war or some sort of insurrection out of hand are being naive to history.

[Axe]

Patriots kicking the shit out of antifa

 

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/apGLYVn_460svvp9.webm

[hoorta]

On 6/6/2020 at 11:20 AM, mjp28 said:

Civil War I kind of doubt it, there are no definite physical boundaries, there are no North vs South dividing lines.

This is pretty much a sociatial shift exactly how it will end up is yet to be seen.

The war will be November 3rd.   Civil War? Not while Trump's in office- he'd invoke the Insurrection Act- there'd be serious bloodshed- and it wouldn't be by the military.   

[Vambo]

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[calfoxwc]

9 minutes ago, hoorta said:

The war will be November 3rd.   Civil War? Not while Trump's in office- he'd invoke the Insurrection Act- there'd be serious bloodshed- and it wouldn't be by the military.   

which, btw, it has been used before.

Most recently, in 1992. See? Bill Clinton was president. 

https://theresurgent.com/2020/06/02/the-insurrection-act-what-it-says-and-how-it-has-been-used/

 " As has been noted, the Insurrection Act was most recently used in 1992 during the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles. However, a major difference between the 1992 deployment and Trump’s threatened use of the military is that California’s Republican governor, Pete Wilson, requested federal help. In the current situation, federal military help has not yet been requested by any state governor. "

   Now, that is a REp governor asking a dem pres for federal help in quelling riots.

A dem gov asking for fed help from a Rep president?

nope - they are actually WANTING to let the riots run violent. to make helter skelter. to blame Pres Trump.

The HATE on the dem/socialist side is out of control. If it keeps up and gets worse, it isn't that far fetched to consider a civil war is possible. It wouldn't be geographical, True, as in North/South.

  But it could be cities out of control and that could flood over into the suburbs. The left has been murdering police. Damaged monuments. Threatened known conservatives. Assauted white folks.

  It didn't just start with the sick murder by the sicko policeman. Remember a few years? ago? the sucker punching by black groups in social settings? the knockout game?

  This is a groups thing - seems to be a marxist revolution in the making over decades of encouragement by leftwing professors, leftwing teachers, left wing activist haters all over our government....marxist/communist groups, anarchist groups.

  Then, when they nearly owned America - they lost the presidency, and their obaMao commie's damage was done, but we elected Pres Trump to save our country.

   We lose out country if Pres Trump doesn't get re-elected. All gun owners, hunters, Christians, fishermen....all business owners, all conservatives...could easily become "enemies of the state".

With all the HATE from the left - historically, that is how civil wars start.

[TexasAg1969]

3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

which, btw, it has been used before.

Most recently, in 1992. See? Bill Clinton was president. 

https://theresurgent.com/2020/06/02/the-insurrection-act-what-it-says-and-how-it-has-been-used/

 " As has been noted, the Insurrection Act was most recently used in 1992 during the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles. However, a major difference between the 1992 deployment and Trump’s threatened use of the military is that California’s Republican governor, Pete Wilson, requested federal help. In the current situation, federal military help has not yet been requested by any state governor. "

   Now, that is a REp governor asking a dem pres for federal help in quelling riots.

A dem gov asking for fed help from a Rep president?

nope - they are actually WANTING to let the riots run violent. to make helter skelter. to blame Pres Trump.

The HATE on the dem/socialist side is out of control. If it keeps up and gets worse, it isn't that far fetched to consider a civil war is possible. It wouldn't be geographical, True, as in North/South.

  But it could be cities out of control and that could flood over into the suburbs. The left has been murdering police. Damaged monuments. Threatened known conservatives. Assauted white folks.

  It didn't just start with the sick murder by the sicko policeman. Remember a few years? ago? the sucker punching by black groups in social settings? the knockout game?

  This is a groups thing - seems to be a marxist revolution in the making over decades of encouragement by leftwing professors, leftwing teachers, left wing activist haters all over our government....marxist/communist groups, anarchist groups.

  Then, when they nearly owned America - they lost the presidency, and their obaMao commie's damage was done, but we elected Pres Trump to save our country.

   We lose out country if Pres Trump doesn't get re-elected. All gun owners, hunters, Christians, fishermen....all business owners, all conservatives...could easily become "enemies of the state".

With all the HATE from the left - historically, that is how civil wars start.

Bad case of POSD there cal. Post Obamarama Stress Disorder needs treatment before your hero gets tossed in November. Otherwise....................

 

[DieHardBrownsFan]

4 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

which, btw, it has been used before.

Most recently, in 1992. See? Bill Clinton was president. 

https://theresurgent.com/2020/06/02/the-insurrection-act-what-it-says-and-how-it-has-been-used/

 " As has been noted, the Insurrection Act was most recently used in 1992 during the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles. However, a major difference between the 1992 deployment and Trump’s threatened use of the military is that California’s Republican governor, Pete Wilson, requested federal help. In the current situation, federal military help has not yet been requested by any state governor. "

   Now, that is a REp governor asking a dem pres for federal help in quelling riots.

A dem gov asking for fed help from a Rep president?

nope - they are actually WANTING to let the riots run violent. to make helter skelter. to blame Pres Trump.

The HATE on the dem/socialist side is out of control. If it keeps up and gets worse, it isn't that far fetched to consider a civil war is possible. It wouldn't be geographical, True, as in North/South.

  But it could be cities out of control and that could flood over into the suburbs. The left has been murdering police. Damaged monuments. Threatened known conservatives. Assauted white folks.

  It didn't just start with the sick murder by the sicko policeman. Remember a few years? ago? the sucker punching by black groups in social settings? the knockout game?

  This is a groups thing - seems to be a marxist revolution in the making over decades of encouragement by leftwing professors, leftwing teachers, left wing activist haters all over our government....marxist/communist groups, anarchist groups.

  Then, when they nearly owned America - they lost the presidency, and their obaMao commie's damage was done, but we elected Pres Trump to save our country.

   We lose out country if Pres Trump doesn't get re-elected. All gun owners, hunters, Christians, fishermen....all business owners, all conservatives...could easily become "enemies of the state".

With all the HATE from the left - historically, that is how civil wars start.

Bill Clinton was not elected until November 1992, the LA riots happened in May, and HW Bush was President.  

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Citing the "urgent need to restore order," President George H.W. Bush mobilized federal troops and federal law enforcement officers to help quell the violent fervor that had overtaken parts of Los Angeles after four police officers accused of beating motorist Rodney King were found not guilty.

The circumstances surrounding those riots differ greatly from those of the protests of today.

In 1992, the riots weren't the peaceful protests seen recently throughout the country and around the world. People weren't urging police officers to march with them or to take a knee with them. Instead, the rioting was concentrated in Los Angeles neighborhoods targeted because of what they represented to marginalized and oppressed communities.

"L.A. was the epicenter for the 1992 riots. Minneapolis might have been the epicenter for George Floyd protests, but this is now a national earthquake," Southers said.

Looters zeroed in on Koreatown, in part, because a Korean business owner had killed a black teenager over a bottle of orange juice just two weeks after King was beaten in March 1991. Latasha Harlins, 15, didn't die in Koreatown, but the race of her killer fractured an already widening rift between black and Korean communities in Southern California.

"They also took on businesses in their community that were not owned by black individuals," said Dr. Robert Tranquada, former dean of the Keck School of Medicine at USC, who was a member of the Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department, which was formed in April 1991 after the beating of King. "That was a clear pattern. But this time we're not seeing that."

By the time Bush invoked the Insurrection Act in May 1992, dozens of Angelenos had been killed. Businesses weren't just looted; they were burned to the ground. Entire city blocks had been reduced to rubble. Dusk-to-dawn curfews were in effect, and millions of residents were scared to leave their homes.

Southers remembers watching people storm the former headquarters of the Los Angeles Police Department and thinking the city was lost. It later came out that Mayor Tom Bradley hadn't spoken with Police Chief Daryl Gates for several months leading up to the riots. Their fractured relationship hampered the LAPD in its response to violence and looting.

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"No chief wants to say 'I need the [National Guard here].' When that decision comes, it's time to check your ego at the door," Southers said. "In 1992, Gates was like 'we got this covered,' and his troops got overrun."

It didn't take long for that to happen. The riots erupted within hours of the four officers' being acquitted, largely because of ongoing distrust between police and the black community. Bradley, who was African American, told The Associated Press in 1991 that he hadn't been allowed to ride with a white officer in the 1940s even though he was a member of the force.

The riots changed how the LAPD functioned. In the following decades, the department hired more people of color into its lower and upper ranks. Some officers turned into community liaisons and became more involved in the daily lives of residents. Police were encouraged to stop driving through neighborhoods and to learn the names of people who lived in them, instead.

Southers worries that if a military response to the current unrest were to sour relations between communities and law enforcement, police officers would ultimately pay the price, not just in Los Angeles but also across the country.

"When the National Guard leaves, the officers are still going to be there," he said. "Trust is going to disintegrate."

Three days into the 1992 riots, Bush deployed 4,000 soldiers and Marines to Los Angeles to end what The Washington Post called "days of urban anarchy." Bush also mobilized 1,000 federal troops trained in urban policing.

More than 4,000 National Guard members had already been in place by the time federal assistance arrived in Los Angeles. Seeing the armored vehicles roll in seemed to reassure law-abiding business owners and perhaps force potential looters to think twice.

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Angelenos who remember the riots recall an almost deafening silence settling over the city as unrest wore on. Armed civilians flanked the rooftops of buildings to protect their businesses. In areas that weren't being looted, residents hid in their homes.

The scene unfolding across the country today is demonstrably different. Protesters are young and old, men and women of all ages, races and incomes pouring into the streets in a show of solidarity for Floyd and others like him. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., was seen demonstrating in Washington, D.C., with her husband and their golden retriever in tow.

Eyewitness accounts suggest that some of the violence across the country was started by law enforcement. A crowd demonstrating outside the White House was hit with tear gas this week to facilitate a presidential photo opportunity, and journalists have been injured or arrested.

It remains unclear what role the active military would play in quelling the unrest if it's deployed under the Insurrection Act.

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[calfoxwc]

finally dh did his own research and made a worthwhile post. lol obviously, it's still bill clinton's fault, because he's part of the deep state.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

19 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

finally dh did his own research and made a worthwhile post. lol obviously, it's still bill clinton's fault, because he's part of the deep state.

You're a joke.

[TexasAg1969]

Bill Moyers weighs in as well.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/can-it-happen-here-bill-moyers-says-its-happening-right-before-our-very-eyes/

[calfoxwc]

4 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

You're a joke.

Here's an idea. You give Steve a thousand bucks, and I will show him my veterans papers, even two insignia off my dress blues, and a couple of regular good conduct medals. and pictures of me in uniform.

and my veteran's card. and my book from basic signed by my TI's and friends.

    and I get the money, but will tip Steve nicely. 80-20. Put up or shut up, eh?

[hoorta]

6 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Bad case of POSD there cal. Post Obamarama Stress Disorder needs treatment before your hero gets tossed in November. Otherwise....................

 

what Cal heard.... there's a bathroom on the right....    

34 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Bill Moyers weighs in as well.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/can-it-happen-here-bill-moyers-says-its-happening-right-before-our-very-eyes/

"He has purged his own party of independent thinkers and turned it into a spineless, mindless cult while demonizing the opposition."

Oh, I agree with the rest Ag, but the above really stood out, because it hits home to me- hard...  You're either all in with King Donald- or we don't need you. Guess I don't need you either President Lysol- you're still getting plenty of money from your minions.... And your going to lead your Republican wuss pansy assed lemmings right over a well deserved cliff in November. 

I LIKE MIKE (PENCE OR BLOOMBERG) DUMP TRUMP!