tinythinker Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Yeah the Lions aren't the Browns or even in the same conference but as only other old school team who has won NFL championships but never even made it to one in the Superbowl era, their fans have suffered as well. But they are finally free of a coach who drove some of the best players from a winning team and was such a jerk that former Lions are publicly cheering his departure. The race to see whether Cleveland or Detroit will make it to a Superbowl first is back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Another BB assistant fails big time. Remind me....have any of them been worth a shit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinythinker Posted November 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 This summary (last updated January 2020) gives us perspective on that... Two bright spots are Mike Vrabel in Tennessee and maybe Kliff Kingsbury who is trying to help Arizona turn a corner. We can also add a new Belichick alum to the overall list, Joe Judge, who is currently 3-7 in his first year with the New York Giants. Technically the Giants are still in the playoff hunt with a chance to win the NFC East. Quote Al Groh Under Belichick: Browns linebackers coach (1992) NFL head coaching stint: Jets (2000) Career record: 9-7 Romeo Crennel Under Belichick: Patriots defensive coordinator (2001-04) NFL head coaching stints: Cleveland Browns (2005-08), Kansas City Chiefs (2011-12) Career record: 28-55 Record in first season as head coach: 6-10 Nick Saban Under Belichick: Browns defensive coordinator (1991-94) NFL head coaching stint: Miami Dolphins (2005-06) Career record: 15-17 Record in first season as head coach: 9-7 *Saban left Miami for Alabama, where he has won five of his six NCAA championships and has gone 152-23 in 13 seasons. Eric Mangini Under Belichick: Patriots defensive backs coach (2000-04); defensive coordinator (2005) NFL head coaching stints: Jets (2006-08), Cleveland Browns (2009-10) Career record: 33-47 Record in first season as head coach: 10-6 Jim Schwartz Under Belichick: Browns research assistant/scout (1993-95) NFL head coaching stint: Detroit Lions (2009-13) Career record: 29-51 Record in first season as head coach: 2-14 Josh McDaniels Under Belichick: Patriots personnel assistant (2001); defensive assistant (2002-03); quarterbacks coach (2004-08 and 2012-19); offensive coordinator (2006-08 and 2012-19) NFL head coaching stint: Broncos (2009-10) Career record: 11-17 Record in first season as head coach: 8-8 Bill O’Brien Under Belichick: Patriots offensive assistant (2007); wide receivers coach (2008); quarterbacks coach (2009-10); offensive coordinator (2010) NFL head coaching stints: Houston Texans (2014-present) <-- went 0-4 in 2020 season and was fired during season Career record: 52-44 Record in first season as head coach: 9-7 Matt Patricia Under Belichick: Patriots offensive assistant (2004); assistant offensive line coach (2005); linebackers coach (2006-10); safeties coach (2011); defensive coordinator (2012-17) NFL head coaching stints: Detroit Lions (2018-present) <-- went 4-7 in 2020 season and was fired during season Career record: 9-22-1 Record in first season as head coach: 6-10 Brian Flores Under Belichick: Patriots scouting assistant (2004-05); pro scout (2006-07); special teams assistant (2008-09); assistant offense/special teams coach (2010); defensive assistant (2011); safeties coach (2012-15); linebackers coach (2016-18) NFL head coaching stint: Miami Dolphins (2019-present) Career record: 5-11 Mike Vrabel Under Belichick: Patriots linebacker (2001-08) NFL head coaching stint: Titans (2018-present) Career record: 18-14 <-- Currently 25-17 as HC, and 7-3 this season before today's game/2nd place in AFC South Record in first season as head coach: 9-7 Kliff Kingsbury Under Belichick: Patriots quarterback/offensive quality control coach (2003) NFL head coaching stint: Arizona Cardinals (2019-present) Career record: 5-10-1 <-- Currently 11-13-1 as HC, and 6-4 before today's game/3rd place in NFC West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 I forgot about Vrabel.....and how could I? His Dad was the Football coach at my high school. I believe will turn out to be the best of those. He has already had a lot of success. And I did not know that Kingsbury was once a Pats asst. (though apparently for just one year). O'Brien seemed to be the one that would have worked out....but no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinythinker Posted November 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Yeah, but still the overall rate of translating "worked under Bill" to "successful HC" isn't great. Not Belichick's fault that people assume there is some kind of magical transference of talent and winning to his fomer assistants, though. It's too early to judge... Judge, but if he can turn around the Giants to even an 8-10 win-per-year team over his first couple of years count that as a big success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, tinythinker said: Yeah, but still the overall rate of translating "worked under Bill" to "successful HC" isn't great. Not Belichick's fault that people assume there is some kind of magical transference of talent and winning to his fomer assistants, though. It's too early to judge... Judge, but if he can turn around the Giants to even an 8-10 win-per-year team over his first couple of years count that as a big success. None of them have taken Tom Brady with them....that is a particular key IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinythinker Posted November 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, The Gipper said: None of them have taken Tom Brady with them....that is a particular key IMO. Yeah, but Tom is struggling a bit without his support system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 I said years ago... And I believe it Now... BB is a big NOTHING without Tom Brady..... And so far.. Cam has SUCKED!.... Tom Brady is doing pretty well in Tampa.. And will probably make BA look like a genius... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 I like Brian Flores in Miami. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinythinker Posted November 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: I like Brian Flores in Miami. Yeah he is on the fence like Judge. Big turn-around job. It's weird to see the Dolphins being competitive again. Maybe there will be meaningful games again between Buffalo and Miami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 4 hours ago, nickers said: I said years ago... And I believe it Now... BB is a big NOTHING without Tom Brady..... And so far.. Cam has SUCKED!.... Tom Brady is doing pretty well in Tampa.. And will probably make BA look like a genius... Agree for the most part. I would not say "nothing"....he still coaches a good defense, and can be a playoff coach. But Super Bowls? Nyet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDDawg Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 8 hours ago, The Gipper said: Another BB assistant fails big time. Remind me....have any of them been worth a shit? Flores has been pretty good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan4Evr Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 I bet the Wolverines would give Harbaugh to Detroit!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 Adding Kingsbury to this seems a pretty far stretch.. Kingsbury learned the spread under both Holgorsen and Sumlin who were disciples of the Hal Mumme Air Raid. Both of those experiences were after he stopped coaching NE. He was only part of the Pats as an entry-level coach in the first year he stopped being paid as a pro player. Also, Vrabel was never a Pats coach.. he spent 3 seasons as a OSU coach so if you want to put him on a tree, he's part of the Urban Meyer tree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusty Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, BrownsFan4Evr said: I bet the Wolverines would give Harbaugh to Detroit!!! My brother-in-law (a Wolverine fan) suggested the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 10:44 AM, tinythinker said: This summary (last updated January 2020) gives us perspective on that... Two bright spots are Mike Vrabel in Tennessee and maybe Kliff Kingsbury who is trying to help Arizona turn a corner. We can also add a new Belichick alum to the overall list, Joe Judge, who is currently 3-7 in his first year with the New York Giants. Technically the Giants are still in the playoff hunt with a chance to win the NFC East. Nick Saban Under Belichick: Browns defensive coordinator (1991-94) NFL head coaching stint: Miami Dolphins (2005-06) Career record: 15-17 Record in first season as head coach: 9-7 *Saban left Miami for Alabama, where he has won five of his six NCAA championships and has gone 152-23 in 13 seasons. Hmm Nick Satan went from LSU to the Dolphins to Alabama. He also was at Michigan State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 9:48 AM, tinythinker said: Yeah the Lions aren't the Browns or even in the same conference but as only other old school team who has won NFL championships but never even made it to one in the Superbowl era, their fans have suffered as well. But they are finally free of a coach who drove some of the best players from a winning team and was such a jerk that former Lions are publicly cheering his departure. The race to see whether Cleveland or Detroit will make it to a Superbowl first is back on. Detroit won 4 NFL Championships. I doubt any Lions fan gives a fuck ...unless they have a Gipper amongst them. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gorka said: Detroit won 4 NFL Championships. I doubt any Lions fan gives a fuck ...unless they have a Gipper amongst them. lol Only two titles are relevant at all: the last one, and the next one. So, only the Chiefs current title is of any current consequence. And who will win this year. The 4 titles the Lions have won are just as relevant to right now as the one won 2 years ago by the Patriots. They are just history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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