LBC mike Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 https://www.foxnews.com/sports/patriots-bill-belichick-is-a-lying-piece-of-s-t-super-bowl-champ-says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 I think we were all too concerned with the team Belichick was head coach of moving to another city at that time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 This was in the middle of the 1995 season it says. I wonder if the team's refusal to pay McMahon came from directions from the top...i.e. Modell, who was pinching pennies and conspiring to try to move the team. Beyond that, BB as HC may have had control of the roster and playing time, but I don't think he handled the finances of the team......so maybe McMahon's ire was misdirected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 Yes, I have read this before. It was a season that boggles the mind to this day. It was surreal. Including the "punky QB" in Brown and Orange, if only in camp. Zombo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 yep., that's buttichek, the luckiest hc in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 34 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: yep., that's buttichek, the luckiest hc in a long time. I'll take "dumb shit said" for $500, Alex. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 I remember being at the game in San Diego in December of '95 and sitting with the SoCal Browns Backers behind the Browns bench. I remember the game was still going - but was close to being over, and I remember Pio Sagapolutele signing autographs for us with tears streaming down his face. I remember a lot of things about '95 (my daughter being born in June), but the one thing I don't remember was Jim McMahon ever being a Brown..... In 1995, or any other time for that matter. Motocross x Gravity + Ground ÷ Age = Lot's of missing time for ol' D Bone 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 hours ago, tiamat63 said: I'll take "dumb shit said" for $500, Alex. dammit, did I fail to agree with you again? dang. See, buttichek was a failure with the Browns, he walked into a situation with the Patriots,... after learning a lot. He'd been in the NFL for years, and was a dismal failure with the Browns every year except for 94. His overall record with the Browns - 36 wins, 44 losses. ONE winning season. That is your hero? LOL OK, he got lucky and went to the Patriots. as an assistant head coach to a great coach - Parcells. Buttichek lasted ONE ONE DAY with the JETS, BEFORE RESIGNING. That sound like he is a turd? does to me. He ends up going to the Patriots, which was already an AFC CHAMPiONSHIP TEAM. So, that's freaking lucky for him. GUESS WHAT, TIAMSES? He was hired by the Patriots in 2000. and had two first round draft picks, I believe. Pretty freaking lucky. The Patriots went 5-11 his first year. Then he fixed that, and started winning. All I said was, he was that lucky. I just proved it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick New England Patriots (2000–present) Soon after hiring Belichick, owner Robert Kraft gave him near-complete control over the team's football operations, effectively making him the team's general manager as well. Until 2009, Belichick split many of the duties normally held by a general manager on other clubs with player personnel director Scott Pioli, though Belichick had the final say on football matters.[42] Pioli left for the Kansas City Chiefs after the 2008 season.[43] The Patriots went 5–11 in the 2000 regular season and missed the playoffs.[44] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: Then he fixed that, and started winning. Soon after hiring Belichick, owner Robert Kraft gave him near-complete control over the team's football operations, effectively making him the team's general manager as well. Until 2009, All I said was, he was that lucky. I just proved it. The first bold complete contradicts the second bold. He was still a relatively new HC, went into a program that has a small dose of stability, talent and success - not at all different from the Browns. Then becomes, arguably, the most accomplished HC in NFL history. Nothing more really needs to be sad. I'm not a fan of BB, but I'm not dumb enough to ascribe his success simply to "luck". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: The first bold complete contradicts the second bold. He was still a relatively new HC, went into a program that has a small dose of stability, talent and success - not at all different from the Browns. Then becomes, arguably, the most accomplished HC in NFL history. Nothing more really needs to be sad. I'm not a fan of BB, but I'm not dumb enough to ascribe his success simply to "luck". Remember the old saying tia when debating with people like cal... "Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 38 minutes ago, tiamat63 said: The first bold complete contradicts the second bold. He was still a relatively new HC, went into a program that has a small dose of stability, talent and success - not at all different from the Browns. Then becomes, arguably, the most accomplished HC in NFL history. Nothing more really needs to be sad. I'm not a fan of BB, but I'm not dumb enough to ascribe his success simply to "luck". You can't ascribe his success to luck....but I will say that there is certainly an element of luck involved there. It seems a stroke of luck that who is considered now the greatest QB in history was taken with pick #199. No matter who would have gotten him, and if he had turned out that good, that would have been luck. Could Brady have had all the success he has had without BB? Possibly not. But we do at least now know that he is certainly capable of having success without BB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 I'm sure the "Belichik wouldn't have won shit without Brady" argument will be trotted out, so allow me to retort: Using that logic, Paul Brown was an incredibly lucky head coach too. He didn't win shit without Otto Graham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: I'm sure the "Belichik wouldn't have won shit without Brady" argument will be trotted out, so allow me to retort: Using that logic, Paul Brown was an incredibly lucky head coach too. He didn't win shit without Otto Graham. He did, however take the Browns to an NFL Championship game without Otto, but they lost to the Lions. They lost a couple to the Lions with Otto (and they won with Otto). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 5 hours ago, tiamat63 said: The first bold complete contradicts the second bold. He was still a relatively new HC, went into a program that has a small dose of stability, talent and success - not at all different from the Browns. Then becomes, arguably, the most accomplished HC in NFL history. Nothing more really needs to be sad. I'm not a fan of BB, but I'm not dumb enough to ascribe his success simply to "luck". I didn't say his success was lucky. I said he was very lucky to have stepped into the Patriots hc position, after resigning from the Jets after ONE DAY. He went to an AFC championship team. that is the lucky part. If you think he would have succeeded with the Jets, like he did with the Patriots, I disagree. The succeeding years - yes, he was a great hc. But he was very, very lucky to have stepped into success with a successful, well coached team, after being mostly a dismal failure with the Browns. One year success in wins, 5 years of turmoil with the press, and players. He had to learn a lot. He did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 6 hours ago, calfoxwc said: I didn't say his success was lucky. I said he was very lucky to have stepped into the Patriots hc position, after resigning from the Jets after ONE DAY. He went to an AFC championship team. that is the lucky part. The Patriots were 8-8 the season before Belichick took over. They did not go to the playoffs. The Patriots were 9-7 the season before that. They got knocked out of the playoffs in the Wild Card round by the Jaguars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 14 hours ago, calfoxwc said: I didn't say his success was lucky. I said he was very lucky to have stepped into the Patriots hc position, after resigning from the Jets after ONE DAY. He went to an AFC championship team. that is the lucky part. If you think he would have succeeded with the Jets, like he did with the Patriots, I disagree. The succeeding years - yes, he was a great hc. But he was very, very lucky to have stepped into success with a successful, well coached team, after being mostly a dismal failure with the Browns. One year success in wins, 5 years of turmoil with the press, and players. He had to learn a lot. He did. By this logic, you could say almost the exact same about Kevin Stefanski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 9 hours ago, tiamat63 said: By this logic, you could say almost the exact same about Kevin Stefanski. Stephansky didn't step into an AFC championship team....and he wasn't with the Vikings for only one day. I mean...really now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 9 hours ago, calfoxwc said: Stephansky didn't step into an AFC championship team....and he wasn't with the Vikings for only one day. I mean...really now. One day is irrelevant, clearly some front office and ownership thought highly enough of BB to give him the job. And roster quality is king. So in that respect, yes, Stef did walk into a near AFC championship caliber personnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, tiamat63 said: One day is irrelevant, clearly some front office and ownership thought highly enough of BB to give him the job. And roster quality is king. So in that respect, yes, Stef did walk into a near AFC championship caliber personnel. except the Patriots WON the AFC championship a few years before buttichek got there. The Browns' won-loss records in previous years were: 2013 4 12 2014 7 9 2015 3 13 2016 1 15 2017 0 16 2018 7 8 -1 2019 6 10 2020 11 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 On 5/20/2021 at 6:02 PM, D Bone said: Motocross x Gravity + Ground ÷ Age = Lot's of missing time for ol' D Bone So..... D "broken" Bone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 On 5/20/2021 at 6:56 PM, calfoxwc said: See, buttichek was a failure with the Browns Nope... That would be Art. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 On 5/20/2021 at 8:21 PM, Dutch Oven said: I'm sure the "Belichik wouldn't have won shit without Brady" argument will be trotted out, so allow me to retort: Using that logic, Paul Brown was an incredibly lucky head coach too. He didn't win shit without Otto Graham. Gotta love a good preemptive strike... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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