The Myth of Conservatives Not Wanting Big Government

[MLD Woody]

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/06/newt-gingrich-florida-register-desantis-bloggers-insane

 

Many of them actually love it, as long as that big government is enforcing their beliefs. 

Yes, it is insanely hypocritical. But the foundation of most of their beliefs is just reactionism anyway....

[MLD Woody]

Would love someone to defend registering bloggers that talk about Desantis but not registering gun owners 

[Canton Dawg]

10 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Would love someone to defend registering bloggers that talk about Desantis but not registering gun owners 

That’s almost as bad a kicking a sitting President off of Twitter. 🤔

[MLD Woody]

16 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

That’s almost as bad a kicking a sitting President off of Twitter. 🤔

Do you need an explanation between a private company and the government?

 

You're laughably incorrect attempt at a gotcha seems to have gotten you some props among the usual folks though

 

 

I don't expect any of you to logically defend this law though. Don't worry. 

[Canton Dawg]

2 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Do you need an explanation between a private company and the government?

Do you mean like Schumer trying to censor Tucker Carlson?

OR, do you mean the Biden administration trying to strong arm Elon Musk?

Let me know if you have any questions.

[calfoxwc]

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[calfoxwc]

On 3/7/2023 at 10:56 AM, MLD Woody said:

Would love someone to defend registering bloggers that talk about Desantis but not registering gun owners 

gun owners have the Second Amendment.

bloggers have access to a private company, as you referred to other times.

gun owners NEED that 2nd Amendment, because the left demands to ban guns altogether.

bloggers do not NEED to be on those blogs. No amendment protects them.

   Birdie trying way, way too desperately to fight any kind of fight, especially when it's a fake fight.

[Westside Steve]

19 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Do you need an explanation between a private company and the government?

 

You're laughably incorrect attempt at a gotcha seems to have gotten you some props among the usual folks though

 

 

I don't expect any of you to logically defend this law though. Don't worry. 

Just checking you now support private business being able to do pretty much whatever they want correct?

Or that's what you believe that republicans/conservatives want and you are against it?

Or you believe they want anarchy? Which would be the smallest amount of government?

WSS

[calfoxwc]

woodpecker is desperate to raise hell and divert attention away from the serious big leftwing issues of the day.

deep state, Afghanistan, illegal immigration/violent crime, dramatically raising taxes, corruption everywhere, deliberation attacks to ignore and contradict our Constitution/Bill of Rights, trying to give illegals the vote, legal non-citizens the vote, outrageous censorship, manipulation of our electoral system, deliberate approval of intimidating non-leftwing/non-deepstate Supreme Court judges, trying to disarm the American people.......................................

conservatives do NOT WANT overreaching/Constitution/Bill of Rights VIOLATING government. That is big government. Conservatives do NOT want gov interference in our economy, schools, kids' education, parent's RIGHTS and CHRISTIAN CHURCHES and our FIRST AND SECOND AMENDMENTS.

That is also "big government".

It's stupid to try to equivocate leftwing oppressive crap with the above.

[FY56]

On 3/7/2023 at 10:55 AM, MLD Woody said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/06/newt-gingrich-florida-register-desantis-bloggers-insane

 

Many of them actually love it, as long as that big government is enforcing their beliefs. 

Yes, it is insanely hypocritical. But the foundation of most of their beliefs is just reactionism anyway....

One absurd law proposed by a state legislature doesn't make conservatives anti-big government stance a myth. Nice reach though.

[FY56]

22 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Do you need an explanation between a private company and the government?

 

You're laughably incorrect attempt at a gotcha seems to have gotten you some props among the usual folks though

 

 

I don't expect any of you to logically defend this law though. Don't worry. 

You're the one needing some explaining.

When you have certain government officials and agencies conspiring with Twitter to censor or advance political agendas then we have a problem.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), who chairs both the subcommittee and the House Judiciary Committee, said his committee issued subpoenas earlier this month to Google, Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, and Apple over what he described as their secretive work with the federal government to advance political agendas.

Mysterious Government Agencies Participated in Suppressing Twitter Content: Twitter Files | NTD

Elon Musk says federal probe of Twitter is a 'weaponization of a government agency and a 'serious attack on the Constitution'

[MLD Woody]

3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

woodpecker is desperate to raise hell and divert attention away from the serious big leftwing issues of the day.

deep state, Afghanistan, illegal immigration/violent crime, dramatically raising taxes, corruption everywhere, deliberation attacks to ignore and contradict our Constitution/Bill of Rights, trying to give illegals the vote, legal non-citizens the vote, outrageous censorship, manipulation of our electoral system, deliberate approval of intimidating non-leftwing/non-deepstate Supreme Court judges, trying to disarm the American people.......................................

conservatives do NOT WANT overreaching/Constitution/Bill of Rights VIOLATING government. That is big government. Conservatives do NOT want gov interference in our economy, schools, kids' education, parent's RIGHTS and CHRISTIAN CHURCHES and our FIRST AND SECOND AMENDMENTS.

That is also "big government".

It's stupid to try to equivocate leftwing oppressive crap with the above.

Cal, should reporters / writers / bloggers have to register with the government of they write about public officials?

Yes or No

 

[MLD Woody]

22 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

Do you mean like Schumer trying to censor Tucker Carlson?

OR, do you mean the Biden administration trying to strong arm Elon Musk?

Let me know if you have any questions.

And you apparently still don't have an answer 

[MLD Woody]

22 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

gun owners have the Second Amendment.

bloggers have access to a private company, as you referred to other times.

gun owners NEED that 2nd Amendment, because the left demands to ban guns altogether.

bloggers do not NEED to be on those blogs. No amendment protects them.

   Birdie trying way, way too desperately to fight any kind of fight, especially when it's a fake fight.

So your logic is that bloggers should need to register with the government because they use a private company to post their blogs? Just want to make sure I'm getting all of this brilliance ...

[MLD Woody]

5 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

Just checking you now support private business being able to do pretty much whatever they want correct?

Or that's what you believe that republicans/conservatives want and you are against it?

Or you believe they want anarchy? Which would be the smallest amount of government?

WSS

Oh hey, a typical Steve flurry of questions to distract from the original point and avoid answering it himself. Shocking....

Do you think bloggers should have to register with the government? If so, why?

[MLD Woody]

3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

woodpecker is desperate to raise hell and divert attention away from the serious big leftwing issues of the day.

deep state, Afghanistan, illegal immigration/violent crime, dramatically raising taxes, corruption everywhere, deliberation attacks to ignore and contradict our Constitution/Bill of Rights, trying to give illegals the vote, legal non-citizens the vote, outrageous censorship, manipulation of our electoral system, deliberate approval of intimidating non-leftwing/non-deepstate Supreme Court judges, trying to disarm the American people.......................................

conservatives do NOT WANT overreaching/Constitution/Bill of Rights VIOLATING government. That is big government. Conservatives do NOT want gov interference in our economy, schools, kids' education, parent's RIGHTS and CHRISTIAN CHURCHES and our FIRST AND SECOND AMENDMENTS.

That is also "big government".

It's stupid to try to equivocate leftwing oppressive crap with the above.

I'm trying to "divert" and you just vomited up real America nonsense into a post. Right. And of course "Christian churches" there. Don't worry, no one truly believes you care about all freedom of religion. I'm sure you're concerned about the great replacement nonsense for totally reasonable reasons too....

[MLD Woody]

2 hours ago, FY56 said:

One absurd law proposed by a state legislature doesn't make conservatives anti-big government stance a myth. Nice reach though.

Hey, at least one of you admitted it was absurd. The others can't seem to bring themselves to do that. 

 

It also is hardly only one law. There are multiple examples of conservatives being thrilled when government intrudes on private lives as long as they're intruding in a way conservatives like (ex, abortion)

[Westside Steve]

1 hour ago, MLD Woody said:

Oh hey, a typical Steve flurry of questions to distract from the original point and avoid answering it himself. Shocking....

Do you think bloggers should have to register with the government? If so, why?

So you are whining and trying to present a false narrative. Aka typical Woody.

You would like us to believe the bill only concerns the registration of bloggers who are negative to governor DeSantis. Which there is absolutely no proof.

See below:

 

"The bill was introduced by Jason Brodeur. It states: “If a blogger posts to a blog about an elected state officer and receives, or will receive, compensation for that post, the blogger must register” with the appropriate state office."

So my answer is: Sure, why not?

WSS

[FY56]

20 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Hey, at least one of you admitted it was absurd. The others can't seem to bring themselves to do that. 

 

It also is hardly only one law. There are multiple examples of conservatives being thrilled when government intrudes on private lives as long as they're intruding in a way conservatives like (ex, abortion)

Government being bound by the Constitution doesn't constitute overreach or big government; it is its duty.

From the conservative perspective, and the correct one, the 14 Amendment empowers Congress to enforce Constitutional guarantee of life on behalf of any person which includes the fetus.

You can't have it both ways:

If the mother wishes to kill the fetus by abortion, then the fetus is deemed a worthless mass of tissue, a parasite feeding off it's host.

...but if the mother wishes to carry to term then the fetus is looked upon as something very special and beautiful, a miracle....therefore a crime if murdered or intentionally harmed.

 

H. Rept. 108-420 - LACI AND CONNER'S LAW | Congress.gov

The legislation ensures that Federal prosecutors are able to punish those who injure or kill unborn children during the commission of violent Federal crimes, ...

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."^[1]

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act, or “Laci and Conner's Law,” would create a separate offense if an individual kills or injures an “unborn child” while committing a federal crime against a pregnant woman. Abortion providers and women who consent to have an abortion would be exempt from prosecution.

[MLD Woody]

2 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

So you are whining and trying to present a false narrative. Aka typical Woody.

You would like us to believe the bill only concerns the registration of bloggers who are negative to governor DeSantis. Which there is absolutely no proof.

See below:

 

"The bill was introduced by Jason Brodeur. It states: “If a blogger posts to a blog about an elected state officer and receives, or will receive, compensation for that post, the blogger must register” with the appropriate state office."

So my answer is: Sure, why not?

WSS

The intent of the bill is clear, even if you choose to believe otherwise. 

And if you're fine with bloggers requiring to register with the state, that's good to know. It'll help frame any comments you make around free speech or anything else. 

 

Apparently registering with the govt is alright with the first amendment, but not the second... Interesting 

[Westside Steve]

I quoted the intent of the bill from your own hatchet piece from the left wing Guardian. 

You are either too partisan to accept it or too stupid to understand it.It is what it is regardless of your pair for his oropinion.

WSS

But it's not surprising considering your love for the completely partisan members of the fake news wing media.I'm sure you'd prefer anonymity.

WSS

[calfoxwc]

if reporters are getting paid, whatever, and talk about elected officials - registering with the gov solves nothing, except to

give the gov the information they need to establish fake reasons to litigate those persons into poverty.

   OTH, there has been deliberate libel and slander in social media, how to stop it?

Vote the progressive despot dirtbags out of office. Registering should make people accountable for illegal actions.

However, verbal criminals do not register, and neither do violent criminals.

   So, in conclusion - registration gives the gov the power to know who to destroy when they tell the truth the gov wants to hide because it's corrupt.

Furthermore, that is profoundly true - it's history. It's called tyranny.

   The attack on free speech and our 2nd Amendment is completely on the left's agenda.

Any rep that supports those attacks is an aberration.

The leftists - most all of them DO support both attacks, and it's mainstream.

It's so tiring - one rep does something completely ignorant and stupidly outrageous, and millions of leftists do something completely ignorant and stupidly outrageous,

and woodpecker and others ignore the numbers and say "both sides do it".

That is a cowardly way to try to defend despotism and emotional leftwing social media knee jerking.

[Westside Steve]

Furthermore Woodrow, as a fellow who's been complaining for 6 years about inaccurate news sources Q anon Russian bots et cetera, it's ironic that you choose to champion the rights of so called bloggers to disseminate fake news with impunity with absolutely no restriction or oversight.I wonder why that is? Oh yes, I get it. You think that this is meant to punish those who write things against governor disantus But in complete honesty if they are making a profit and writing hit pieces against even democrats. I don't disagree with it.

WSS

[MLD Woody]

5 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

if reporters are getting paid, whatever, and talk about elected officials - registering with the gov solves nothing, except to

give the gov the information they need to establish fake reasons to litigate those persons into poverty.

   OTH, there has been deliberate libel and slander in social media, how to stop it?

Vote the progressive despot dirtbags out of office. Registering should make people accountable for illegal actions.

However, verbal criminals do not register, and neither do violent criminals.

   So, in conclusion - registration gives the gov the power to know who to destroy when they tell the truth the gov wants to hide because it's corrupt.

Furthermore, that is profoundly true - it's history. It's called tyranny.

   The attack on free speech and our 2nd Amendment is completely on the left's agenda.

Any rep that supports those attacks is an aberration.

The leftists - most all of them DO support both attacks, and it's mainstream.

It's so tiring - one rep does something completely ignorant and stupidly outrageous, and millions of leftists do something completely ignorant and stupidly outrageous,

and woodpecker and others ignore the numbers and say "both sides do it".

That is a cowardly way to try to defend despotism and emotional leftwing social media knee jerking.

Hilarious here that you can actually recognize this is a direct attack of the first amendment... And then blame it on liberals, even though this bill was introduced by a conservative...

Sadly, your brain is hardwired to blame everything you don't like on liberals. Anything bad, etc. You blindly blame on the other side with zero critical thinking involved 

[MLD Woody]

2 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

Furthermore Woodrow, as a fellow who's been complaining for 6 years about inaccurate news sources Q anon Russian bots et cetera, it's ironic that you choose to champion the rights of so called bloggers to disseminate fake news with impunity with absolutely no restriction or oversight.I wonder why that is? Oh yes, I get it. You think that this is meant to punish those who write things against governor disantus But in complete honesty if they are making a profit and writing hit pieces against even democrats. I don't disagree with it.

WSS

Fake news absolutely is a problem. And it goes much higher than bloggers. The recently released Fox News texts make that very, very clear. 

If OAN wants to speak absolute garage onto the screen, as long as it isn't illegal, no one can stop them. Same with bloggers. 

More importantly we need our citizens to actually understand what a legitimate news source is and what isn't. Again, unfortunately, this board is a great example that many grown ass adults have no idea how to do this. 

 

Even cal could admit the purpose of this law. The idea Florida wants to register political bloggers but let anyone carry a gun whenever they want is just insane. It's a transparent attempt by Desantis and the right in that state to silent dissenting opinion. You choose to not believe that, ahd I won't convince you otherwise. But even firmly conservative politicians see this as a bad idea. 

 

Just posted here to rattle the monkey cage and watch the hypocrisy. Some of you didn't disappoint. 

[Westside Steve]

4 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Fake news absolutely is a problem. And it goes much higher than bloggers. The recently released Fox News texts make that very, very clear. 

If OAN wants to speak absolute garage onto the screen, as long as it isn't illegal, no one can stop them. Same with bloggers. 

More importantly we need our citizens to actually understand what a legitimate news source is and what isn't. Again, unfortunately, this board is a great example that many grown ass adults have no idea how to do this. 

 

Even cal could admit the purpose of this law. The idea Florida wants to register political bloggers but let anyone carry a gun whenever they want is just insane. It's a transparent attempt by Desantis and the right in that state to silent dissenting opinion. You choose to not believe that, ahd I won't convince you otherwise. But even firmly conservative politicians see this as a bad idea. 

 

Just posted here to rattle the monkey cage and watch the hypocrisy. Some of you didn't disappoint. 

You're a complete and utter lack of self awareness should be stunning. But I've known you long enough to not be surprised.

You're incapable of meaningful discussion. 

WSS

[Canton Dawg]

21 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

And you apparently still don't have an answer 

And neither do you.

[Canton Dawg]

21 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Do you think bloggers should have to register with the government? If so, why?

Do you think Federal Officials in DC should direct narratives, and push censorship on Social Media? If so, why?

[calfoxwc]

woodpecker is a hypocrite in huge fashion.

He does NOT want registration of slandering, libeling leftwing journalists, but he

"demands gun registration.'

His feelings rule, just like all liberal haters.

Their feelings flip when the self-gain flips. That makes them angry.

 

[MLD Woody]

5 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

You're a complete and utter lack of self awareness should be stunning. But I've known you long enough to not be surprised.

You're incapable of meaningful discussion. 

WSS

Ha, right, sure thing Steve. I'm comfortable in knowing where sane people would stand if they read this mess of a board.

But good to know you want to require registration for bloggers. At least you answered.