Climate Scam

[Jax]

Bungling idiots - dumbass cult

[Ibleedbrown]

12 hours ago, Jax said:

Bungling idiots - dumbass cult

This is the sort of thing l was referring to with all my long winded perception stuff. Here’s a bit more…

The concept of solar power predates the global warming theory. Our attempts to harness the power of the sun go way back. Didn’t you ever try to melt things with a magnifying glass as a kid?

There’s plenty of support for solar power, otherwise there wouldn’t be a giant floating solar panel farm in India. Tweets and posts and articles like the one you linked are becoming commonplace in right wing media. Stories about people’s EVs burning up, stories about wind farms failing in inclement weather, etc. And the tenor of these articles is seemingly reveling in the demise of these poor fools who dared to invest in green energy. 

There’s plenty of reason to support green energy that has nothing to do with global warming. It’s available, it’s cleaner, and it’s theoretically cheaper. And of course there are going to be fuck ups along the way. That’s what drives innovation. It’s big new stuff in the grand scheme of things.

But here’s the thing, the government doesn’t need to lead the charge here. I’m certain there is enough public interest and progress thus far that private industry, American ingenuity and nobodies like myself will drive things forward. Government grants and policy will help, but it’s only going to grease the wheels to the inevitable. 

I don’t understand why right wing media is doing this. Trying to get right wingers to come off as the anti-green party. I bet a guy like Cal is one of the greenest dudes on this forum. Grows food, makes tea out of pine needles, likely frugal with energy usage. I’d bet a dollar he has a compost pile. 

I think it’s a media mindfuck, and l think it’s harming your cause, assuming your cause is to get conservative candidates elected. It would be a big plus if conservatives could simply come off as neutral on the matter, which l believe is more reflective of how they truly are. 

[Canton Dawg]

55 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

This is the sort of thing l was referring to with all my long winded perception stuff. Here’s a bit more…

The concept of solar power predates the global warming theory. Our attempts to harness the power of the sun go way back. Didn’t you ever try to melt things with a magnifying glass as a kid?

There’s plenty of support for solar power, otherwise there wouldn’t be a giant floating solar panel farm in India. Tweets and posts and articles like the one you linked are becoming commonplace in right wing media. Stories about people’s EVs burning up, stories about wind farms failing in inclement weather, etc. And the tenor of these articles is seemingly reveling in the demise of these poor fools who dared to invest in green energy. 

There’s plenty of reason to support green energy that has nothing to do with global warming. It’s available, it’s cleaner, and it’s theoretically cheaper. And of course there are going to be fuck ups along the way. That’s what drives innovation. It’s big new stuff in the grand scheme of things.

But here’s the thing, the government doesn’t need to lead the charge here. I’m certain there is enough public interest and progress thus far that private industry, American ingenuity and nobodies like myself will drive things forward. Government grants and policy will help, but it’s only going to grease the wheels to the inevitable. 

I don’t understand why right wing media is doing this. Trying to get right wingers to come off as the anti-green party. I bet a guy like Cal is one of the greenest dudes on this forum. Grows food, makes tea out of pine needles, likely frugal with energy usage. I’d bet a dollar he has a compost pile. 

I think it’s a media mindfuck, and l think it’s harming your cause, assuming your cause is to get conservative candidates elected. It would be a big plus if conservatives could simply come off as neutral on the matter, which l believe is more reflective of how they truly are. 

I wouldn’t call it “right winged media”.

Let’s crawl into the way back machine to the Obama administration.

He gave government subsidies to 21 solar cell companies.

Before his term was up, 18 of them went belly up and the last 3 were begging for more government money.

You can call it right winged media all you want…but I prefer to call it facts.

[Ibleedbrown]

20 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

I wouldn’t call it “right winged media”.

Let’s crawl into the way back machine to the Obama administration.

He gave government subsidies to 21 solar cell companies.

Before his term was up, 18 of them went belly up and the last 3 were begging for more government money.

You can call it right winged media all you want…but I prefer to call it facts.

Yeah man, l tried to cover that in the “fuck ups along the way” mention. Presumably progress was made as evidenced by the continued existence of solar panels. 

It’s ultimately up to you, the rank and file voters and sharers of content. If this anti-green message is what you want to portray, then have at it. I don’t think it’s serving your best interests, and that’s ultimately all l’m trying to say. 

[MLD Woody]

1 hour ago, Ibleedbrown said:

This is the sort of thing l was referring to with all my long winded perception stuff. Here’s a bit more…

The concept of solar power predates the global warming theory. Our attempts to harness the power of the sun go way back. Didn’t you ever try to melt things with a magnifying glass as a kid?

There’s plenty of support for solar power, otherwise there wouldn’t be a giant floating solar panel farm in India. Tweets and posts and articles like the one you linked are becoming commonplace in right wing media. Stories about people’s EVs burning up, stories about wind farms failing in inclement weather, etc. And the tenor of these articles is seemingly reveling in the demise of these poor fools who dared to invest in green energy. 

There’s plenty of reason to support green energy that has nothing to do with global warming. It’s available, it’s cleaner, and it’s theoretically cheaper. And of course there are going to be fuck ups along the way. That’s what drives innovation. It’s big new stuff in the grand scheme of things.

But here’s the thing, the government doesn’t need to lead the charge here. I’m certain there is enough public interest and progress thus far that private industry, American ingenuity and nobodies like myself will drive things forward. Government grants and policy will help, but it’s only going to grease the wheels to the inevitable. 

I don’t understand why right wing media is doing this. Trying to get right wingers to come off as the anti-green party. I bet a guy like Cal is one of the greenest dudes on this forum. Grows food, makes tea out of pine needles, likely frugal with energy usage. I’d bet a dollar he has a compost pile. 

I think it’s a media mindfuck, and l think it’s harming your cause, assuming your cause is to get conservative candidates elected. It would be a big plus if conservatives could simply come off as neutral on the matter, which l believe is more reflective of how they truly are. 

Well said.

Regarding the right wing politicization of green energy, you have to wonder what's driving that. I'd guess we could follow a money trail back to oil and gas companies. 

And for that reason, among others,bi disagree that government doesn't need to lead the charge. Govt needs to be heavily involved to push the initiative and tilt the scales. Pure capitalism isn't going to turn down money now to help the planet later. We have over a century of recent history to show our greed at the expense of the environment 

[Jax]

7 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Well said.

Regarding the right wing politicization of green energy, you have to wonder what's driving that. I'd guess we could follow a money trail back to oil and gas companies. 

And for that reason, among others,bi disagree that government doesn't need to lead the charge. Govt needs to be heavily involved to push the initiative and tilt the scales. Pure capitalism isn't going to turn down money now to help the planet later. We have over a century of recent history to show our greed at the expense of the environment 

Is that what Al Gore told you?

[calfoxwc]

4 minutes ago, Jax said:

Is that what Al Gore told you?

    IT seems that pecker adopts anti-honesty out of anger that the entire country isn't gay, trans, perverted and/or socialist/communist.

I also think woody HATES because he hasn't been allowed to marry his nest.

[calfoxwc]

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[Jax]

 

[Canton Dawg]

30 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Yeah man, l tried to cover that in the “fuck ups along the way” mention. Presumably progress was made as evidenced by the continued existence of solar panels. 

It’s ultimately up to you, the rank and file voters and sharers of content. If this anti-green message is what you want to portray, then have at it. I don’t think it’s serving your best interests, and that’s ultimately all l’m trying to say. 

Solar panels have been around a long time, and their efficiency has improved over the decades.

I think they have a niche in certain applications, but they still have a way to go for widespread use.

That’s not right wing, that’s common sense.

But if it makes you feel better.

[Ibleedbrown]

5 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

Solar panels have been around a long time, and their efficiency has improved over the decades.

I think they have a niche in certain applications, but they still have a way to go for widespread use.

That’s not right wing, that’s common sense.

But if it makes you feel better.

They do. 

Let’s not do that Canton. I’m not trying to internet spar with you. Our goals are similar. 

[calfoxwc]

16 minutes ago, Canton Dawg said:

Solar panels have been around a long time, and their efficiency has improved over the decades.

I think they have a niche in certain applications, but they still have a way to go for widespread use.

That’s not right wing, that’s common sense.

But if it makes you feel better.

We have a small generator that is solar-powered, we can use it for camping, and if the power goes out, it has run the

fireplace insert fan for about 6 hrs. Pretty cool stuff - the panels are about 3' x 5', I wired them in a pair. Can recharge in about 3 hrs. Won't run a hot plate or anything like that - but it's cool.

[Ibleedbrown]

Just now, calfoxwc said:

We have a small generator that is solar-powered, we can use it for camping, and if the power goes out, it has run the

fireplace insert fan for about 6 hrs. Pretty cool stuff - the panels are about 3' x 5', I wired them in a pair. Can recharge in about 3 hrs. Won't run a hot plate or anything like that - but it's cool.

Fess up Cal, do you have a compost pile?

[calfoxwc]

9 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Fess up Cal, do you have a compost pile?

I have a big pile of leaves, accumulated over three or four years' time - it's time to use the front end loader and put it all into the garden. Neighbors contributed every year. Going to try growing watermelons this year. And a lot of green beans.

Crap. I forgot to plant the sugar snap peas. We've been really busy.

I'm going to scale back the garden, can't do 1000 tomato plants anymore - It used to be my Dad and mine's fun hobby. Probably no more than 30 or 40.

This year, I will collect a lot of the maple tree "helicopters" seeds. The seed from them - is very edible - I've toasted them and they are good, thinking of other recipes.

I made dandelion jelly again - it's always a big hit with friends.

I need somebody to help me do some groundhog skeet.

[Jax]

Nice Cal. I do not have a green thumb though I try at times.

 

There's a difference between utilizing solar energy and destroying a working infrastructure for something we're not ready for by force.

Going green; probably started out as a good thought but turned into a big control/money grab by gov't.

 

 

[calfoxwc]

6 minutes ago, Jax said:

Nice Cal. I do not have a green thumb though I try at times.

 

There's a difference between utilizing solar energy and destroying a working infrastructure for something we're not ready for by force.

Going green; probably started out as a good thought but turned into a big control/money grab by gov't.

 

 

sadly, it morphed into the un official admitting that acceptance of "mmgw" was necessary for the redistribution of wealth to poor countries.

I grew up a hunter, camper, fisherman, outdoorsman, gardener, hiker....etc. Conservation is wonderful. The polluting of streams and lakes, etc...

sicker than sick. Future generations have deserved so much better.

But mmgw is a crock - it's just a useful tool to get rich, get power (like al gore), and to manipulate others in elections and redistribute wealth.

[Jax]

Also, if man made climate change is real, I'd like to see proof not only in charts and evidence, but real action by those that believe in it. I'd like to see open and honest debates where 'experts' aren't afraid of losing grants and ones that speak out against it aren't shamed for the sake of keeping them quiet.

When you give India and China a pass on regulations then you're not helping your cause.

When you force EVs on everyone in one country, with the making of batteries, charging of batteries and disposal of batteries is worse than the gas using vehicles you're getting rid of, you're not doing the environment any favors.

But Al Gore was pretty adamant about polar caps melting and water rising, maybe he just got the dates wrong. Maybe instead of in 20 years he meant 20,000 years.

Maybe there was a typo in the emails from his 'experts'.

[Ibleedbrown]

14 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Well said.

Regarding the right wing politicization of green energy, you have to wonder what's driving that. I'd guess we could follow a money trail back to oil and gas companies. 

And for that reason, among others,bi disagree that government doesn't need to lead the charge. Govt needs to be heavily involved to push the initiative and tilt the scales. Pure capitalism isn't going to turn down money now to help the planet later. We have over a century of recent history to show our greed at the expense of the environment 

There are times l can’t help but wonder if the money trail leads back to some shady left wing group with the intention of getting conservatives to paint themselves as the anti-environmental group, and it seems to be working. I would argue that in everyday practices conservatives are just as much pro-environment as liberals, if not more so. If more of us could live like Cal then it would be a net positive. 

But this manufactured mental association linking anything to do with it to “global warming” has really done a number on us. I don’t understand it. 

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2024/05/06/desantis-blocks-climate-change-efforts-a-partisan-fight-in-election/73546118007/

I found this recent article on DeSantis, who has done some really positive pro-environment things in Florida, but he’s also shot himself in the foot over this mental association to “climate change.” He actually wants to erase the term “climate change” from state law. Which is fine, whatever, but can we still have bike lanes and roundabouts? Bike lanes promote a healthier populace and roundabouts reduce wear and tear on cars. Those are good things, and jobs get created in the process. Another good thing. 

The article ends with a point l’ve used before. “I’m a conservative. And conservative and conservation have the same root word. When did conservationists become the bad guy?”

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

15 hours ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Fess up Cal, do you have a compost pile?

He drives a prius and wears recycled clothes.

[MLD Woody]

8 hours ago, Ibleedbrown said:

There are times l can’t help but wonder if the money trail leads back to some shady left wing group with the intention of getting conservatives to paint themselves as the anti-environmental group, and it seems to be working. I would argue that in everyday practices conservatives are just as much pro-environment as liberals, if not more so. If more of us could live like Cal then it would be a net positive. 

But this manufactured mental association linking anything to do with it to “global warming” has really done a number on us. I don’t understand it. 

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2024/05/06/desantis-blocks-climate-change-efforts-a-partisan-fight-in-election/73546118007/

I found this recent article on DeSantis, who has done some really positive pro-environment things in Florida, but he’s also shot himself in the foot over this mental association to “climate change.” He actually wants to erase the term “climate change” from state law. Which is fine, whatever, but can we still have bike lanes and roundabouts? Bike lanes promote a healthier populace and roundabouts reduce wear and tear on cars. Those are good things, and jobs get created in the process. Another good thing. 

The article ends with a point l’ve used before. “I’m a conservative. And conservative and conservation have the same root word. When did conservationists become the bad guy?”

Bike lanes and roundabouts aren't going to save us from ourselves. The data is clear, the science is clear, whether everyday folks believe it or not. Intervention and regulation is needed, but this stands to lose powerful people lots of money. Hence money funneling into conservative politicians and efforts to politicize the whole issue. Now you can "own the libs" by being anti climate change efforts. 

The politicization of scientific issues just hurts us as a whole. If not now, later. 

Of course, a big chunk of the voters hurting us now won't be around later to deal with the damage they've caused. 

[calfoxwc]

8 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

He drives a prius and wears recycled clothes.

do not. Just because I bought my Carhartt vest at a garage sale.....

it's great for winter work.

[calfoxwc]

[calfoxwc]

The selfish nonsense reason woody supports the bogus man made global warming bs:

https://chapelboro.com/town-square/the-red-cockaded-woodpecker-the-brutal-effects-of-climate-change-and-government-action

[calfoxwc]

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[Jax]

https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/life/2016/02/11/al-gore-now/80232962/

Gore has also devoted lots of his time since 2000 on another form of green: making money. While it’s well known that his investments since he lost the White House to George W. Bush have turned Gore into a rich man with a net worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars, less is known about the methods employed to make this money. Generation Investment Management (GIM)

GIM’s “sustainable investment” approach takes into account environmental, social and economic damage...

Let me spell it out for the dumbasses, he's invested in green energy and made hundreds of millions. But you worry about the lies the oil company sells you, lol. Dumbasses.

[MLD Woody]

I don't give a shit what Al Gore says

I give a shit what a consensus of climatologists and reputable scientific organizations across the globe say

I give a shit what the data says

[Jax]

11 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

I don't give a shit what Al Gore says

I give a shit what a consensus of climatologists and reputable scientific organizations across the globe say

I give a shit what the data says

 Al Gore is your climate dumbass cult leader. He speaks for all the 'scientists'.

Tell me, what is your scientists definition of a woman?

[nickers]

1 hour ago, Jax said:

 Al Gore is your climate dumbass cult leader. He speaks for all the 'scientists'.

Tell me, what is your scientists definition of a woman?

 

[MLD Woody]

5 hours ago, Jax said:

 Al Gore is your climate dumbass cult leader. He speaks for all the 'scientists'.

Right, "scientists", and now we enter the anti expert, anti academic, anti science portion of our programming ...

 

He doesn't speak for the scientists. Whatever he chose to politicize, whatever the news put in headlines, whatever this group chose to selectively remember and consume.... None of it matters. 

Facts matter. The facts are clear.