DAWGPOUND16 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 He finally showed up today, Mangini if you don't play him the rest of the year you'll even get more dumber than you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faninthehammer Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 He certainly did enough to warrant more appearances. His presence will also take some coverage off of Mo Mass. Encouraging day overall despite outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trodgers Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Interesting, as earlier this week, this piece appeared on Rotoworld: When asked why rookie WR Brian Robiskie has been inactive for the last two games, Browns coach Eric Mangini said, "He's going to have to go out and earn that playing time." "What packages is he going to play in? What roles is he going to play in those packages?" asked Mangini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicineman Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Well don't get to happy. Everybody went nuts when Quinn had a great game against Detroit. Lets see what else he can do in the next few games. Never mind me Im just so sick of this losing bullshit. I say cut the whole team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 He finally showed up today, Mangini if you don't play him the rest of the year you'll even get more dumber than you are. Mangini can't possibly get dumber than he is already. Quinn's 72 (and improving) qb rating and positive td\int ratio is making BQ look like an all pro compared to Andersuck. EM deserves to get fired just on his total mishandling of the qb situation alone, sitting Robo is just more fuel on the fire. That is unless his master plan is to stink so bad this year that we can land Suh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Mangini can't possibly get dumber than he is already. Quinn's 72 (and improving) qb rating and positive td\int ratio is making BQ look like an all pro compared to Andersuck. EM deserves to get fired just on his total mishandling of the qb situation alone, sitting Robo is just more fuel on the fire. That is unless his master plan is to stink so bad this year that we can land Suh. Dont get me started on mangoofy and his butt buddy dumbo again... Not playing robo more often and not bringing moore out earlier along with playing adams/poteat/furry over either mcdonald or francis have already reconvicted mangini and daboll of being absolutely minor league coaches that are out of their league..the mangini earned playtime points system is corrupt and childish ,the players ,the city and fans deserve better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshutchins Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Mangini can't possibly get dumber than he is already. Quinn's 72 (and improving) qb rating and positive td\int ratio is making BQ look like an all pro compared to Andersuck. EM deserves to get fired just on his total mishandling of the qb situation alone, sitting Robo is just more fuel on the fire. That is unless his master plan is to stink so bad this year that we can land Suh. I didn't agree with Mangini's handling of the QBs. I DID notice that Mangini said Robiskie had to EARN himself a spot as a starter. I do like that he's setting this standard. You can't just show up and be a starter. I think the work ethic that's expected is an excellent foundation for building the kind of team we want to eventually have. Honestly, given the talent level of the players and the number of injuries, I'm impressed with what we're seeing. I'm also impressed by the fact that this team doesn't seem to give up. Given all the negative media reports and the empty seats in the stadium, it would be easy for them to whine and make excuses yet they seem to be hanging in there. In the pregame, I recall a report that the players are saying they don't even bother with introductions anymore when new guys show up. They just ask, "Are you passing through, or are you going to contribute and stick around?" (I'm paraphrasing) I think that statement says a great deal about 1) The expectations of the coaches and other players 2) the number of injuries and fresh faces 3) the adaptability of this team from the top down. If there are so many new faces they hardly know each other, yet they manage not to look like the Keystone Kops, I think that says something positive about the organization and the foundation that's being laid for the future. I'm just not convinced by the criticism of Mangini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopaji Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Mangini can't possibly get dumber than he is already. Quinn's 72 (and improving) qb rating and positive td\int ratio is making BQ look like an all pro compared to Andersuck. EM deserves to get fired just on his total mishandling of the qb situation alone, sitting Robo is just more fuel on the fire. That is unless his master plan is to stink so bad this year that we can land Suh. He didn't mishandle the QBs, jeez. Neither guy looked too great in the preseason, Quinn got the job and completely shit all over the field. There was no way to justify keeping him in there unless your Butch Davis and only care about the fans opinion. DA came in and was given a fair shot to win the job. When he didn't, Quinn was put back in with a season in the shitter and a work ethic that just couldn't be kept on the bench with DA looking that bad. Now, you're not over-paying two QBs and we will get ample time to see how Quinn developes without worrying about incentives or the win/loss column. Handled perfectly considering the circumstances. None of us know what assignments Robo has missed on the feild, what reads he's missed, or what he has done wrong in practice or the film room. The fact that he hasn't played says nothing about Mangini and a lot about Robo. With that said, its good to see him in there and actually contribute. PS. Quinn did look good yesterday, I hope he continues to get better and I can eat my "career backup" statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel88 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 He didn't mishandle the QBs, jeez. Neither guy looked too great in the preseason, Quinn got the job and completely shit all over the field. There was no way to justify keeping him in there unless your Butch Davis and only care about the fans opinion. DA came in and was given a fair shot to win the job. When he didn't, Quinn was put back in with a season in the shitter and a work ethic that just couldn't be kept on the bench with DA looking that bad. Now, you're not over-paying two QBs and we will get ample time to see how Quinn developes without worrying about incentives or the win/loss column. Handled perfectly considering the circumstances. None of us know what assignments Robo has missed on the feild, what reads he's missed, or what he has done wrong in practice or the film room. The fact that he hasn't played says nothing about Mangini and a lot about Robo. With that said, its good to see him in there and actually contribute. PS. Quinn did look good yesterday, I hope he continues to get better and I can eat my "career backup" statements. I agree completely. I will never understand why people believe this whole season is mangini's fault....did they forget how terrible quinn was at the beggining of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan4Evr Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 He gave BQ 2 1/2 games compared to HOW MANY for DA? Tell me that didn't have anything to do with BQ's bonus money. You're foolish if you think it didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 He didn't mishandle the QBs, jeez. Neither guy looked too great in the preseason, Quinn got the job and completely shit all over the field. There was no way to justify keeping him in there unless your Butch Davis and only care about the fans opinion. DA came in and was given a fair shot to win the job. When he didn't, Quinn was put back in with a season in the shitter and a work ethic that just couldn't be kept on the bench with DA looking that bad. Now, you're not over-paying two QBs and we will get ample time to see how Quinn developes without worrying about incentives or the win/loss column. Handled perfectly considering the circumstances. None of us know what assignments Robo has missed on the feild, what reads he's missed, or what he has done wrong in practice or the film room. The fact that he hasn't played says nothing about Mangini and a lot about Robo. With that said, its good to see him in there and actually contribute. PS. Quinn did look good yesterday, I hope he continues to get better and I can eat my "career backup" statements. Couldn't agree more. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 He gave BQ 2 1/2 games compared to HOW MANY for DA? Tell me that didn't have anything to do with BQ's bonus money. You're foolish if you think it didn't. And what's the problem with trying to save a little money? We weren't going to the playoffs, we're not winning the Super Bowl, so why is everybody on Mangini's case for saving $11 million dollars? If he goes out and signs a legitimate FA with that money, you'll be shitting your pants. It was a smart business decision, and you obviously don't see BQ complaining. If anybody deserves to complain, it's him, but he's keeping his opinions to hisself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan4Evr Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 And what's the problem with trying to save a little money? We weren't going to the playoffs, we're not winning the Super Bowl, so why is everybody on Mangini's case for saving $11 million dollars? If he goes out and signs a legitimate FA with that money, you'll be shitting your pants. It was a smart business decision, and you obviously don't see BQ complaining. If anybody deserves to complain, it's him, but he's keeping his opinions to hisself. What I'm saying is this. BQ DID NOT have the same opportunity as DA! DA absolutely sucked for a lot more than 2 1/2 games, yet Mangini left him in. I know that it was about the $$$. Everybody else thinks they both got EQUAL chances! THAT is what I'm trying to say. They DID NOT, and it was $$$$$ related. I get tired of reading all these "they both had the same chance" posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_illness Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 no one (except you and other "BQ is the messiah"ites) cares that they didn't get equal chances. remember DA's pro bowl? Do you sit a pro bowler to give "equal chance" to his back up? no. stop counting snaps and focus on where we are NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan4Evr Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 no one (except you and other "BQ is the messiah"ites) cares that they didn't get equal chances. remember DA's pro bowl? Do you sit a pro bowler to give "equal chance" to his back up? no. stop counting snaps and focus on where we are NOW. Then why don't you admit DA was a "flash in the pan" and BQ is outplaying him, and looks like he can be a good NFL QB? And you "DA is the messiah-ites" quit posting that BQ was given an equal chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_illness Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 touche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Then why don't you admit DA was a "flash in the pan" and BQ is outplaying him, and looks like he can be a good NFL QB? And you "DA is the messiah-ites" quit posting that BQ was given an equal chance. so 2 good games that were still loses, and this shit starts again. if youre still hung up on brandy not getting his 'fair' shot....whatever that means by your interpretation....then you have to move on like the rest of us. minute progress is nothing to lose your virginity over, but its something to be hopeful about. now, if he could only chalk one up in the W column, you might have something worth posting in CAPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 so 2 good games that were still loses, and this shit starts again. if youre still hung up on brandy not getting his 'fair' shot....whatever that means by your interpretation....then you have to move on like the rest of us. minute progress is nothing to lose your virginity over, but its something to be hopeful about. now, if he could only chalk one up in the W column, you might have something worth posting in CAPS. The Browns did not lose the last two games because of Quinn- they lost because Poteat couldn't cover a guy in a wheelchair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 What I'm saying is this. BQ DID NOT have the same opportunity as DA! DA absolutely sucked for a lot more than 2 1/2 games, yet Mangini left him in. I know that it was about the $$$. Everybody else thinks they both got EQUAL chances! THAT is what I'm trying to say. They DID NOT, and it was $$$$$ related. I get tired of reading all these "they both had the same chance" posts. I agree, BQ was not given a fair shake. He played the best teams we've faced so far, and did terrible. But I was at the game where he was pulled, and I was cheering along with the other 5 Browns fans at M&T Bank Stadium. He looked god-awful, and I was ready for DA. When DA did terrible, what was Mangini supposed to do? Pull him immediately? Then both QB's would have shattered confidence, and no trust whatsoever in the coach. Mangini did the right thing. Was BQ given the same chance as DA? No, not at all. But was it the best decision for the team? Yeah, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I didn't agree with Mangini's handling of the QBs. I DID notice that Mangini said Robiskie had to EARN himself a spot as a starter. I do like that he's setting this standard. You can't just show up and be a starter. I think the work ethic that's expected is an excellent foundation for building the kind of team we want to eventually have. Honestly, given the talent level of the players and the number of injuries, I'm impressed with what we're seeing. I'm also impressed by the fact that this team doesn't seem to give up. Given all the negative media reports and the empty seats in the stadium, it would be easy for them to whine and make excuses yet they seem to be hanging in there. I'm just not convinced by the criticism of Mangini. Earn PT KS? How about Roth? The guy shows up and the next Sunday he's starting. What did he do in two days of practice to "earn" his starting spot? He's better than what we had, but Ray Lewis he ain't. IMHO Mangini is talking out of both sides of his mouth on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I agree, BQ was not given a fair shake. He played the best teams we've faced so far, and did terrible. But I was at the game where he was pulled, and I was cheering along with the other 5 Browns fans at M&T Bank Stadium. He looked god-awful, and I was ready for DA. When DA did terrible, what was Mangini supposed to do? Pull him immediately? Then both QB's would have shattered confidence, and no trust whatsoever in the coach. Mangini did the right thing. Was BQ given the same chance as DA? No, not at all. But was it the best decision for the team? Yeah, probably. I'll agree on the B-more game. However, when Anderson continued to suck at a historically bad pace against much weaker teams, he should have been pulled after a couple of starts- former Pro Bowl status or not. EM's old enough to remember Scott Mitchell syndrome. Mangini's on record he didn't pull Quinn because of the $$$$. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Earn PT KS? How about Roth? The guy shows up and the next Sunday he's starting. What did he do in two days of practice to "earn" his starting spot? He's better than what we had, but Ray Lewis he ain't. IMHO Mangini is talking out of both sides of his mouth on that one. He probably showed that he was a better all-around LB than the ones we had. Who's to say Roth didn't earn anything? Nobody said anything about the amount of time it took to earn your spot. We're hurting at the LB position; we didn't have many to begin with, and now they are all getting injured. Roth didn't have to battle his way through too many LB's to earn a spot, whereas Robo has a decent amount of people to beat to see the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopaji Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I'll agree on the B-more game. However, when Anderson continued to suck at a historically bad pace against much weaker teams, he should have been pulled after a couple of starts- former Pro Bowl status or not. EM's old enough to remember Scott Mitchell syndrome. Mangini's on record he didn't pull Quinn because of the $$$$. Really? I'm fine with them avoiding the incentives when you look at how Brady did with his chance so I can't be mad about that. And also, I don't think he pulled DA too late. After the saeson is over, we'll know exactly what we have in BOTH QBs and that is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I'll agree on the B-more game. However, when Anderson continued to suck at a historically bad pace against much weaker teams, he should have been pulled after a couple of starts- former Pro Bowl status or not. EM's old enough to remember Scott Mitchell syndrome. Mangini's on record he didn't pull Quinn because of the $$$$. Really? I don't think he'll ever go on the record about the money issue, but it's assumed that was the case. He kept DA in long enough for BQ's escalators to be almost unattainable. Obviously, Mangini couldn't account for how many snaps BQ would take in future games, but he let it go to the point where our offense would have to be on the field for an inordinate amount of time in every game for the remainder of the season for the contract escalator to be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshutchins Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Earn PT KS? How about Roth? The guy shows up and the next Sunday he's starting. What did he do in two days of practice to "earn" his starting spot? He's better than what we had, but Ray Lewis he ain't. IMHO Mangini is talking out of both sides of his mouth on that one. And when Roth went in, did he show that it was the right decision? Did he demonstrate that in practice? In preparation for the game? Maybe it only took two days to show he could contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicineman Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 He gave BQ 2 1/2 games compared to HOW MANY for DA? Tell me that didn't have anything to do with BQ's bonus money. You're foolish if you think it didn't. He gave Anderson more chances because at times Anderson showed promise. Brady showed us that he sucks. Even after Anderson showed us all he sucks he was still better than Quinn. It was only until Detroit that Brady played well and we still lost. But why are we still debating the qb situation? we won 1 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicineman Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 So until we win a game don't bother telling us how good Quinn is because we don't want to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWGPOUND16 Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 So until we win a game don't bother telling us how good Quinn is because we don't want to hear it. If I told you Derek Anderson would score 23 points vs the Chargers, would you buy into it? Prolly Not. Please stop trying to tell us that a guy with a 10.2 QB rating is better than Quinn. Derek Anderson prolly won't even be in this league next season. If it took a man 2 completions with 17 yards to beat the Bills, then a crippled guy off the streets could do it also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alendor Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 So until we win a game don't bother telling us how good Quinn is because "we" don't want to hear it. "we" as in DA pole riders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel88 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 So until we win a game don't bother telling us how good Quinn is because we don't want to hear it. Maybe you dont want to hear it, but I happen to enjoy when a player does well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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