sisky fringo Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 continuation of Poetic G's thread... you and the other browns fan are right on w ur points. every single day people of all ages are missing out on having any relief or benefits from cannabis. people w epilepsy, ms, parkinsons, fibromyalgia, osteoporosis, arthritis, inflammed joints, glaucoma, mental health benefits, anorexia, insomnia, diabetes, sinus headaches, or the big C, cancer. its been proposed if cannabis changed federally from a schedule 1 to a 2, the influx of hard evidence from currently unattainable research and studies within 6 months would be so overwhelming every state would legalize within a year. it has also been said, if every state legalized the cancer biz would go under in 3 years. i emphatically agree. slimdog, your being short-sided. the 10 grow sites paid 9 million EACH to help Ohio get it's head out of it's ass and help people get medicine. it is free market at work, if say cincy's meds were lower quality and/or more expensive than say...cuyahoga falls greenhouse, which employs locals from the area BY THE WAY, then the local dispensary would get it from the best option. ALL 10 ARE IN COMPETITION WITH ONE ANOTHER, NOT OWNED BY ONE. also, if you want strict regulations and consistency in product u need growers that know what the fuck their doing. you cant just start buildibg cars and selling them on the road, right? or making planes. or creating the latest viagra and dole it out. this isnt pot grown in ur basement, its medicibe that you can prescribe dosages of acurately and compare to other meds on the market...not haphazardly just mass produce and wing it. you have a very greedy, misinformed view on this topic. the only people that lose if issue 3 passes are essentially private prisons, corrections officers, sherrifs, the people still wrongfully jailed on old weed laws and shitty lazy cops who now have to actually do their jobs instead of claiming they smell weed and searching homes and vehicles on whims. the fines they make vs the benefits and influx of $$ FOR EVERYONE ELSE is not even debateable. new23 you act like its all about getting high. you should educate yourself regarding the cannabis plant, it's not necessarily your fault but a lot has changed since McGruff the crime dog told us how to behave. about 125 years ago it was prescribed for over 300 ailments. it's time to turn off Cheech and Chong and realize it's legit fucking medicine...that is actually curing cancer by the thousands. the Charlotte's Web strain? naned aftr the little girl who had like 2,500 -3,000 epileptic seizures every day...who now has 1-3??? never heard of her? yeah she sucks, fuck her and all the other nauseated pot heads w chronic pain trying to trick everyone and get high. fuck those guys right? phoenixtears.ca youtube "vitamin cannabis" anyone who doesn't realize the overwhelming benefits should put a gun in their fucking mouths for being so callous, blind, and selfish. no on 2, yes on 3 = $ falling out of the schoolsystems pockets. CO made like 21 million in june, 2.1 mil of that went directly to the schools. thats one month. in one year thats an awful lot of raises folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 other than pain relief - how exactly does pot cure cancer? (cancer treatment going out of business sounds like a cure is imminent) and the vote is tuesday right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Sisky your post is both condescending and misleading. So much so that you sound EXACTLY like the commercials. First and foremost this is not a medical marijuana bill. It is aimed at complete legalization including edibles. It IS a cash grab by the investors and the shadow backers. It IS NOT a fair bill like Colorados as it relates to a fair market. Colorado allows both personal growth as well as licensing process for private farms. I'd likely be neutral to the bill if it were like that with the exception on Edibles. Someone commented on the other thread "votes yes while you can, at least it will be legal". That's exactly what they are counting on. If you really want legal weed grow some balls and push for a fair bill like that of other states who have legalized. I'd further say that controlling it with specified growers for medical use only is a bill I'd likely vote yes on as the control makes sense in that context. Marijuana edibles like gummies etc for recreational use are wholly inappropriate and are marketing straight at kids. Lastly to gumby post in the other thread stating "a no vote is a vote to support terrorism" that is straight bullshit. If you are passionate about not supporting terrorism I sure hope you aren't buying it illegally now. Secondly that same thought process would support legalizing meth, heroin and cocaine. NO I am not comparing them to weed but the tonight to legalize it to take the money from he cartels is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I don't give a fuck if it becomes legal or not. I can't be swayed by sob stories or magical tales of super medicine pot. I smoked a lot of pot in my day I know what it does. And I know whether it's legal or not legal it's simple to procure. And... I'm tired of potheads talking down to everyone about how fuckin great pot is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 A couple of hundred years ago people believed in leeches and bloodletting as medicine as well. That's how hemp growing hero George Washington died as a matter of fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I don't give a fuck if it becomes legal or not. I can't be swayed by sob stories or magical tales of super medicine pot. I smoked a lot of pot in my day I know what it does. And I know whether it's legal or not legal it's simple to procure. And... I'm tired of potheads talking down to everyone about how fuckin great pot is. This fucking right here, almost makes me not want it to be legal. Simply so I can laugh at those, whom... like the OP clown, are casual smokers that stand on the backs of people that carry the burden of disease that weed can help alleviate its effects of. You scream medical benefits for those in need yet most who want it legal just want to blaze; They suffer not from ailments, but it sure helps looking like they give a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 continuation of Poetic G's thread... you and the other browns fan are right on w ur points. every single day people of all ages are missing out on having any relief or benefits from cannabis. people w epilepsy, ms, parkinsons, fibromyalgia, osteoporosis, arthritis, inflammed joints, glaucoma, mental health benefits, anorexia, insomnia, diabetes, sinus headaches, or the big C, cancer. Also, this has been proven to be almost 100% bullshit for long term glaucoma patients. Those who have smoked prolonged to ease their symptoms are now having studies found that blood vessel constriction long term ends up being worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 A couple of hundred years ago, people thought slavery was cool. And 100 years ago people thought alcohol should be illegal. Neither worked out so well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 A couple of hundred years ago, people thought slavery was cool. And 100 years ago people thought alcohol should be illegal. Neither worked out so well So the slavery reference is just so far out no response is necessary. Did you actually smoke a few one hitters before your comparison to slavery?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Neither of which are relevant to 99% of this discussion. Some people think slavery is relevant to every conversation. Alcohol probably is related, to be fair I love drinking and don't smoke weed but weed isn't more dangerous than alcohol. Both should be legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 A couple of hundred years ago, people thought slavery was cool. And 100 years ago people thought alcohol should be illegal. Neither worked out so well The irony is that today the weed proponents are attacking alcohol to prop up their vice of choice. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 You scream medical benefits for those in need yet most who want it legal just want to blaze; More like they want their blazing to be legal... and it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 And here we go on this ride again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 other than pain relief - how exactly does pot cure cancer? (cancer treatment going out of business sounds like a cure is imminent) and the vote is tuesday right? I can tell you this- If a drug company really had a pill to cure cancer- it would be on the market tomorrow. Pfizer (viagra) and Lilly (cialis) have made BILLIONS on those pills- didya know the US retail on cialis is around $42 bucks a pill? do the math bucko. A couple of hundred years ago, people thought slavery was cool. And 100 years ago people thought alcohol should be illegal. Neither worked out so well If the Medical Marijuana crowd says pot helps them by being stoned all day- go for it. Disclaimer- I have no problems with pot legalization. If you like the high it gives you- party on- I don't anymore. I would worry if your kid got a hold of a handful of pot gummies or decided those brownies were pretty tasty. The other issue I have is- (and I said it in PG's thread) it's not particularly hard to turn weed into some high octane hallucinogenic stuff. Hey- so really, why should we stop at pot? If you can grow weed plants- why can't I grow some cocoa plants, or maybe a few opium poppies? Mushroom cultivation. Psilocybin is really fun. Peyote? I'm pretty sure Jimi Hendrix wrote "Purple Haze" while he was on mescaline. Plenty of people are dying every day from heroin ODs- maybe if we just gave them access to the stuff- minus the fentanyl laced product- they'd still be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Explain why pot should be illegal but alcohol legal... Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Explain why pot should be illegal but alcohol legal... Go! We are talking about issue 2 and issue 3 dimwit WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I can tell you this- If a drug company really had a pill to cure cancer- it would be on the market tomorrow. Pfizer (viagra) and Lilly (cialis) have made BILLIONS on those pills- didya know the US retail on cialis is around $42 bucks a pill? do the math bucko. no kidding? say.... do you think that if an affordable cancer cure came around, big pharma would squash it before it made it to market? pill or not? do tell Richie C If the Medical Marijuana crowd says pot helps them by being stoned all day- go for it. Disclaimer- I have no problems with pot legalization. If you like the high it gives you- party on- I don't anymore. I would worry if your kid got a hold of a handful of pot gummies or decided those brownies were pretty tasty. The other issue I have is- (and I said it in PG's thread) it's not particularly hard to turn weed into some high octane hallucinogenic stuff. Hey- so really, why should we stop at pot? If you can grow weed plants- why can't I grow some cocoa plants, or maybe a few opium poppies? Mushroom cultivation. Psilocybin is really fun. Peyote? I'm pretty sure Jimi Hendrix wrote "Purple Haze" while he was on mescaline. Plenty of people are dying every day from heroin ODs- maybe if we just gave them access to the stuff- minus the fentanyl laced product- they'd still be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Explain why pot should be illegal but alcohol legal... Go! Don't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 We are talking about issue 2 and issue 3 dimwit WSS Of course you are.... Whatever makes you feel superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Sisky hit the head on the nail. Good going bro. Nice post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Explain why pot should be illegal but alcohol legal... Go! Ah the old go to argument. My brother did it why can't I mentality. Not all , but much of the discussion revolves around issue 2 AND 3. In your way of thinking I'd ask " if I can homebrew beer why can't I homegrow legal weed"? It's more of a rights issue to me. I'm the context of actual medical use I'm 100% in favor and the controlled farms and quality assurance therein make sense. For Rec use I am undecided however positively against edibles. Don't like the smoke? Use a vaporizer then the edibles are marketed at and dangerous for kids. Lastly if rec weed is legalized you should stand up for your rights to grow as well as support an open market. In Colorado a legal aged individual can Grow 6 plants at a time. Anyone can put together a business plan and submit for licensing to open a farm. Michigan has close to the same process. I'm simply saying stand up for your rights. Don't let these people use your desire to legalize to get rich over your rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 there is no "right" to grow pot. http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24501596/pot-problems-colorado-schools-increase-legalization http://www.northjersey.com/opinion/opinion-the-problem-with-legalizing-marijuana-1.1024211 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/05/since-marijuana-legalization-highway-fatalities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/ http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/us/after-5-months-of-sales-colorado-sees-the-downside-of-a-legal-high.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The irony is that today the weed proponents are attacking alcohol to prop up their vice of choice. WSS It's true, but I'm sure you understand the hypocrisy about legality of alchohol versus illegality of marijuana. I don't think alchohol should be illegal but I could definitely see why some would argue it should be. Alchohol overdose is possible, and you're reckless and dangerous to others long before you reach that point. Pot should be legal because of lack of medical research into what really is an interesting plant scientifically, the cost of the war on drugs, the incarceration rate for pot offenders, and cash flow going to cartels instead of our country. If not for that, there are plenty of reasons that have been rehashed 1000 times on this forum.. like the hypocrisy of legal alchohol and illegal pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Of course you are.... Whatever makes you feel superior. Well I am actually superior so... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 It's true, but I'm sure you understand the hypocrisy about legality of alchohol versus illegality of marijuana. I don't think alchohol should be illegal but I could definitely see why some would argue it should be. Alchohol overdose is possible, and you're reckless and dangerous to others long before you reach that point. Pot should be legal because of lack of medical research into what really is an interesting plant scientifically, the cost of the war on drugs, the incarceration rate for pot offenders, and cash flow going to cartels instead of our country. If not for that, there are plenty of reasons that have been rehashed 1000 times on this forum.. like the hypocrisy of legal alchohol and illegal pot. Sure I see the hypocrisy. I think if booze was invented today it would never get by the FDA. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Explain why pot should be illegal but alcohol legal... Go! It's not a question of why it should be illegal Woody- it's about the best way to make it legal. Granting a "monopoly" probably isn't the best way to go. I was going to vote "yes" I'm having second thoughts. Pretty sure in Colorado- and for sure in Alaska, anyone can apply of a grow permit. Sounds a little more democratic no? By a long shot, legalization isn't going to eliminate the illegal trade. Just checked pricing in Colorado, weed runs an average of $200 an ounce. Won't be too hard to undercut the legal stores. Ah the old go to argument. My brother did it why can't I mentality. Not all , but much of the discussion revolves around issue 2 AND 3. In your way of thinking I'd ask " if I can homebrew beer why can't I homegrow legal weed"? It's more of a rights issue to me. I'm the context of actual medical use I'm 100% in favor and the controlled farms and quality assurance therein make sense. For Rec use I am undecided however positively against edibles. Don't like the smoke? Use a vaporizer then the edibles are marketed at and dangerous for kids. Lastly if rec weed is legalized you should stand up for your rights to grow as well as support an open market. In Colorado a legal aged individual can Grow 6 plants at a time. Anyone can put together a business plan and submit for licensing to open a farm. Michigan has close to the same process. I'm simply saying stand up for your rights. Don't let these people use your desire to legalize to get rich over your rights. ^+1- this. Though I don't really have a problem with recreational use- if that's what floats your boat. I've said before- if you have legal pot, well- aspiring kitchen chemists can turn it into some really hallucinogenic stuff without much problem. The recipes are out there on the 'Net, if you bother to look them up. As Cal pointed out- there's plenty of underage drinking. Apparently there's plenty of underage smoking going on in states where it's legal. Not sure if that's a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted October 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 other than pain relief - how exactly does pot cure cancer? (cancer treatment going out of business sounds like a cure is imminent) and the vote is tuesday right? start here: nov 3rd...whatever day that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted October 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Sisky your post is both condescending and misleading. So much so that you sound EXACTLY like the commercials. First and foremost this is not a medical marijuana bill. It is aimed at complete legalization including edibles. It IS a cash grab by the investors and the shadow backers. It IS NOT a fair bill like Colorados as it relates to a fair market. Colorado allows both personal growth as well as licensing process for private farms. I'd likely be neutral to the bill if it were like that with the exception on Edibles. Someone commented on the other thread "votes yes while you can, at least it will be legal". That's exactly what they are counting on. If you really want legal weed grow some balls and push for a fair bill like that of other states who have legalized. I'd further say that controlling it with specified growers for medical use only is a bill I'd likely vote yes on as the control makes sense in that context. Marijuana edibles like gummies etc for recreational use are wholly inappropriate and are marketing straight at kids. Lastly to gumby post in the other thread stating "a no vote is a vote to support terrorism" that is straight bullshit. If you are passionate about not supporting terrorism I sure hope you aren't buying it illegally now. Secondly that same thought process would support legalizing meth, heroin and cocaine. NO I am not comparing them to weed but the tonight to legalize it to take the money from he cartels is the same.apologies for sounding/being condescending, as you probably know my tact often sux. what is misleading? i have been living in CO for ten years. i consider myself informed. it didnt start out perfect there. any progress whatsoever is better than how it is in OH now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 There's tons of plants with anti cancer properties. No one cares about those though because you can't get high on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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