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[Westside Steve]

And like I said, there are health issues from alcohol tobacco high fructose corn syrup white sugar refined flour and lack of exercise.

And if we are honest the availability of hand guns -. I'm usually pretty conservative but I get sick to fucking death of the government wanting to be our mom and dictating what we can or can't eat smoke drink say or do.

 

And for those about to screech, yes responsibility comes into play. If you don't exercise and continue to smoke cigarettes and get drunk every night and smoke pot everyday maybe your health insurance cost you twice as much? Or if you can afford to buy whiskey then you can afford not to get food stamps.

 

WSS

[The Cysko Kid]

My heart goes out to all and any characters here who are going through that heart-breaking pain

of having loved ones with cancers, etc.

 

Been there.

 

I'm not against the medical use - I would imagine it would be a great thing,

but in the form of a pill, ... having said that... I went and looked it up - "Phoenix Tears" is an oil.

 

I've never heard of it til now.

 

http://phoenixtearsoil.com/

 

Make that legal. Study it. By prescription only, control it.. gov subsidize it. I can't imagine that being a problem.

 

My objections are about the recreational use of pot. And no, I'm not pro alchohol and reg tobacco, either.

We're talkin issue 2 and 3.

This "protocol" is similar if not exact in nature to the budwig protocol except it's using hemp oil. And the site is similarly not fact heavy. I wish i could believe in either but I don't

[The Cysko Kid]

http://www.budwigcenter.com/budwig-protocol/#.Vjd5kMso7qA

[The Cysko Kid]

Flaxseed oil, hemp oil, do you see what I'm getting at here? This cancer cure is not a new idea but simply substituting one oil for another more agenda-y one.

[jbluhm86]

Pot isn't bad in fact I'd venture to say it is better than alcohol in all ways. It's just not the wonder cancer drug they're making it out to be.

You are correct in pointing out that cannabis isn't a cure for cancer, per se; I think that cure would be too strong of a word, as it implies a substance that is well-documented and proven to reverse a disease with a high degree of effectiveness. I think what pro- medical Cannabis advocates pick up on is promising studies which have demonstrated that some compounds in cannabis can have an effect on some forms of cancer tumor growth, and a near-universal effectiveness in pain management of cancer and cancer treatments.

 

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000884

 

The problem is that, since cannabis is classified as a Schedule I drug, obtaining funds for further research can be difficult to obtain. I think the amount of initial research does demonstrate that cannabis shows promise as a medical treatment in certain situations; that alone should disqualify it from being a Schedule I.

[bbedward]

For things like anxiety, pain relief, stress relief, insomnia, ADHD, arthritis, PTSD, etc, etc. marijuana a hell of a lot safer than some of the alternatives - like Vicodin, Percoset, Xanax, Adderall, anti-depressants. Often cases it seems like it's more effective too.

[jbluhm86]

...And for those about to screech, yes responsibility comes into play. If you don't exercise and continue to smoke cigarettes and get drunk every night and smoke pot everyday maybe your health insurance cost you twice as much? Or if you can afford to buy whiskey then you can afford not to get food stamps.

 

WSS

I don't agree with the health insurance industry on many things, but I do on them charging higher premiums for people who smoke tobacco or abuse alcohol. It makes sense, as engaging in those behaviors has been clearly demonstrated to lead to a plethora of crippling (and expensive to treat) diseases. So, yes, if you want to be irresponsible by abusing your body with those substances, then you should also be responsible for shouldering your greater medical costs. But at the same time, cannabis use hasn't yet been demonstrated to the same degree to have near the same harm potential as those substances either, so I wouldn't group it with them just yet.

 

That takes me back to my early 20s when I was working for a freight company, and even though I didn't smoke, my group insurance was outrageously high because all the fucking semi drivers who chain-smoked like goddamn freight trains.

[The Cysko Kid]

This "protocol" is similar if not exact in nature to the budwig protocol except it's using hemp oil. And the site is similarly not fact heavy. I wish i could believe in either but I don't

[hoorta]

disappointing coming from a grower like you Cal. Surely you know Hemp is the oldest crop humans used to grow, right? And they sure as fuck used the female plant too. And you can't compare Pot to other drugs like Heroin or Crack which require major processing from their original plants. Hemp/marijuana is quite literally a right by nature for humans to grow/ingest for themselves. Humans have been fermenting alcohol for thousands of years as well nobody batted an eye unless they did something stupid while drunk. The evidence is in and concrete that people do vastly more stupid shit while drunk then high. End of discussion. I'm not saying it should be legal to blaze and drive, it shouldn't.....driving is a privilege that we need to conserve.

 

But saying there's no "right" to grow a plant, any plant, that's just absurd. That is foundational big brother control. If its an inalienable right to own a firearm, a product of industry and not something provided by nature, how the fuck can anyone argue that growing shit for yourself isn't an inalienable right? You can argue about dispersing what you grow, cause now that falls under commerce and we do need to regulate what enters the market.

 

 

I'm libetarian- we shouldn't just stop at pot growing .Peyote cactus, psylocybin mushrooms. All natural.

 

Coca? Opium poppies?

 

WSS

 

Right on brother Steve. For those that think you can get opiods out of that topping on buns you see in the store- hate to tell ya- wrong species of poppies. It's really not too hard to extract cocaine out of cocoa leaves, or for that matter extract opium out of opium poppies. Ya make heroin out of opium by first isolating the morphine - and then it's a simple step to take it to the next level- heroin.

 

No no no, the point is that I couldn't give a sweet fuck. 100 pounds of coca leaves will make enough blow that you could probably do a gram everyday for a couple years.

Now start preaching about how crystal meth is only made of cold medicine.

 

WSS

 

Actually- it's made out of sudafed. (Pseudoephedrine) Some organic chemist genius figured out a easy way to make methamphetamine out of it- it's why the Feds put it behind the counter. Kitchen chemists were buying pounds of it- for great profit.

 

prove it.

 

i have proof it has. 1,300-1 cured in 4+ years. beat those odds w ur propoganda. it's the answer, and you are gaslighted and brainwashed.

 

I read Cal's link. Sure sounds like homeopathic crap that I'd highly question. Like 60 grams of the stuff, high dose vitamin D3, no booze, and a bunch of other things non FDA approved for anything. If you think it works- great. Sounds like you want to believe the 180 degree propaganda.

 

Show me links in a respected medical journal- and I'll start giving your claims the time of day.

[sisky fringo]

today is the day. here are the main objections: have integrity regarding your drug use--it has no medical benefit outside of getting high or stoned so just admit you want to get fucked up and I'll accept it.

i'm already blue, i can't even comment on this one anymore. in time it will be proven. lots of time, sadly.

 

10 grow sites. all safe and controlled environments producing high quality and consistent product w ingredient labels, strengths, comparable dosages etc...but still all independent. all in competition with one another. the classic free market at work. on an amendable bill.

 

explain how is that in any way a monopoly??

 

like ten different oil wells that produce unltd amounts of oil and quality gasoline and sell it all over the state to gas stations. if marathon was .$50 a gallon cheaper would you still buy shell, BP, exxon? heck no you wouldn't. would you care the oil well owners aren't from Ohio? and refuse gas stations and ride a bike and bus on principal?? yeah ok, sure you would. **rolls eyes**

 

do stores like walmart even have 9 other competitors? petsmart? 10 grocery options besides shop and save, food lion, kroger? buick? subaru? vw?

 

how about movie theaters?? so they limit it to 10 movie theatre COMPANIES in the state. how is that a problem again?? we dont really have 10 competitors in ANY industry anywhere.

 

this argument is all a greedy money grab from people w no true interest in it. "i dont want Colorado investors coming into my state and taking money away i have nothing to do with. i want imaginary OHioans to invest and make it, and then THEY can go spend it somewhere else. but certainly not the people already IN the white collar side of the pot business who are trying their best to legalize all 50 states!! boo hoo! that bills not perfect! we need to stall so another 125,000 get ticketed and jailed this year as scheduled!! we have fat corrections officers to pay and lazy corrupt cops to enable! the number of probable cause searches that get overturned will cost us thousands...maybe millions over years!! i just dont care if legalizing makes ten times that!! or saves and improves 100k lives!! a kid might eat a friggin cannabis gummy bear and, well...not die. but they might feel kinda high for a little bit! and then they might have questions!! what would we do then???

 

plus maryj makes blackeys rape white women! it's been proven, there was a movie about it!! think of the kids!! no for progress!! do it for the white women!!"

 

 

if for nothing else, do it for the sake of all of us sad sack neighboring states! lol

 

please Ohian...you are our only hope."

**in best Princess Lea voice**

[sisky fringo]

Show me links in a respected medical journal- and I'll start giving your claims the time of day.

that's the rub, it's a Schedule I federally. have you not realized the implications of publishing a cure? the lawsuits from them knowing of it for decades?? the fact they are in business to treat, not cure? the profits from bs cancer meds? the profits from it's illegality? the freedom it's illegality allows by it's mere smell justifying search of person, vehicle, home etc? as well as overpopulation issues?

 

 

step outside the controlled media and spend a month talking to people face to face in a legal state and get back to me. if WV didn't have it's head up it's ass i wouldn't even be posting right now...but sadly OH is my only hope for local help.

[bbedward]

today is the day. here are the main objections: have integrity regarding your drug use--it has no medical benefit outside of getting high or stoned so just admit you want to get fucked up and I'll accept it.

i'm already blue, i can't even comment on this one anymore. in time it will be proven. lots of time, sadly.

 

You don't think it helps relieve pain, anxiety, depression, stress, epilepsy, arthritis at least? Some of the drugs we prescribe for pain relief, anxiety, depression, and all those others are pretty heavy stuff compared to weed.

 

Getting stoned and high is fine too, I don't like it personally, but I think it's fine for that purpose given the mild side effects - not really worse than getting drunk.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

today is the day. here are the main objections: have integrity regarding your drug use--it has no medical benefit outside of getting high or stoned so just admit you want to get fucked up and I'll accept it.

i'm already blue, i can't even comment on this one anymore. in time it will be proven. lots of time, sadly.

 

10 grow sites. all safe and controlled environments producing high quality and consistent product w ingredient labels, strengths, comparable dosages etc...but still all independent. all in competition with one another. the classic free market at work. on an amendable bill.

 

explain how is that in any way a monopoly??

 

like ten different oil wells that produce unltd amounts of oil and quality gasoline and sell it all over the state to gas stations. if marathon was .$50 a gallon cheaper would you still buy shell, BP, exxon? heck no you wouldn't. would you care the oil well owners aren't from Ohio? and refuse gas stations and ride a bike and bus on principal?? sure you would.

 

do stores like walmart even have 9 other competitors? petsmart? 10 grocery options besides shop and save, food lion, kroger? buick? subaru? vw?

 

how about movie theaters?? so they limit it to 10 movie theatre COMPANIES in the state. how is that a problem again?? we dont really have 10 competitors in ANY industry anywhere.

 

this argument is all a greedy money grab from people w no true interest in it. "i dont want Colorado investors coming into my state and taking money away i have nothing to do with. i want imaginary OHioans to invest and make it, and then THEY can go spend it somewhere else. but certainly not the people already IN the white collar side of the pot business who are trying their best to legalize all 50 states!! boo hoo! that bills not perfect! we need to stall so another 125,000 get ticketed and jailed this year as scheduled!! we have fat corrections officers to pay and lazy corrupt cops to enable! the number of probable cause searches that get overturned will cost us thousands...maybe millions over years!! i just dont care if legalizing makes ten times that!! or saves and improves 100k lives!! a kid might eat a friggin cannabis gummy bear and, well...not die. but they might feel kinda high for a little bit! and then they might have questions!! what would we do then???

 

plus maryj makes blackeys rape white women! it's been proven, there was a movie about it!! think of the kids!! no for progress!! do it for the white women!!"

 

 

if for nothing else, do it for the sake of all of us sad sack neighboring states! lol

 

please Ohian...you are our only hope."

**in best Princess Lea voice**

It got my vote, hopefully it will pass and 2 will fail.

[Westside Steve]

Oxycotton, amphetamines, morphine and spiritus alcohol all have medical benefits of some kind. Yet it's illegal to possess them sell them or take them without a prescription, or other restrictions in the case of alcohol. Just think about it if that's how you want marijuana handled.

It will either be like booze or oxy.

 

It is probably not going to be a free for all.

 

 

WSS

[Westside Steve]

Another plus for legalization is that right now so I hear a quality bag is 250 or $300 or more. Even with a huge markup you will be able to buy it for pennies on the dollar in a retail store. That should just about eliminate the street dealers.

 

WSS

[sisky fringo]

 

You don't think it helps relieve pain, anxiety, depression, stress, epilepsy, arthritis at least? Some of the drugs we prescribe for pain relief, anxiety, depression, and all those others are pretty heavy stuff compared to weed.

i was being facetous. i am one of if not THE largest proponent of its medicinal effects on this site.

 

thank you for your time on your position, you are consistent with what you have previously written. i think you are level-headed, open-minded, and fairly well informed.

[sisky fringo]

the main issue is the verbage in the proposal. "monopoly".

 

ten grow sites have exclusive rights to produce the medicine. that's not a monopoly.

[hoorta]

Another plus for legalization is that right now so I hear a quality bag is 250 or $300 or more. Even with a huge markup you will be able to buy it for pennies on the dollar in a retail store. That should just about eliminate the street dealers.

 

WSS

 

I posted prices elsewhere Steve, but here's the link for those that what to know what legal weed is probably going to cost - https://www.coloradopotguide.com/colorado-marijuana-blog/2015/august/11/marijuana-prices-in-denver-and-colorado-summer-2015-update/ MHO the street dealers will just undercut the legal stores. NO taxes, lower overhead.

 

And Sisky, you didn't read the ACS report- it's possible, considering the legal restrictions- some reputable studies have been done, with more coming about the medical benefits of marijuana. I agree it's ridiculous for weed to still be a Schedule 1 drug on the Federal level, so it's time to change that. I'm too lazy to look it up but IIRC at least a couple dozen states have legalized medical marijuana.

 

Look, I can tell you this for a damn fact. When I was working in Laboratory Medicine- I could peruse the Aldrich Chemical Catalog, and order damn near any Schedule 1 drug- (and that included delta THC, in case you're interested) if you had a legit research purpose to acquire it- so don't go giving me the boo-hoo, our hands are tied because it's schedule 1.

 

It's absolute horse shit in my book drug companies are blocking pot research. They're not interested doing so- because- I hate to tell you this- there's not enough money to be made on a niche drug. You probably have no f**cking idea how much it costs to jump through endless FDA hoops to get a drug approved for medical use. It has to be run through approved clinical trials to be proved "safe and effective" for it's intended use- and that's just for starters.

[hoorta]

the main issue is the verbage in the proposal. "monopoly".

 

ten grow sites have exclusive rights to produce the medicine. that's not a monopoly.

 

Great- it's a cartel, just like OPEC. They were able to set world prices on oil for years.

For your sake Sisky - I hope it passes, but I have a feeling based on early polling research- it probably won't. But take heart- read today in the Dayton Daily News, even if it fails- we're see another bill- probably as soon as next year.

 

It took a couple of tries to get Casino Gambling in Ohio too.

[bbedward]

the main issue is the verbage in the proposal. "monopoly".

 

ten grow sites have exclusive rights to produce the medicine. that's not a monopoly.

I'm all for legalization, but I'm not confident that any future amendment to resolve the controversy will happen anytime soon.

[sisky fringo]

Oxycotton, amphetamines, morphine and spiritus alcohol all have medical benefits of some kind. Yet it's illegal to possess them sell them or take them without a prescription, or other restrictions in the case of alcohol. Just think about it if that's how you want marijuana handled.

It will either be like booze or oxy.

 

It is probably not going to be a free for all.

 

 

WSS

yes, all Schedule 2 or lower.

villifying cannabis and labeling it as a more dangerous Schedule 1 with ZERO benefit to humans is criminal in itself.

 

24 states have proven it. cannabinoid receptors inside us that have evolved over millenia...fuck the studies for endless decades if it ever becomes a Schedule 2, just let us all fucking have it already.

[Clevfan4life]

one of my good friends, who is as right wing as you can get without sleeping on top of a bible every night...is using the oil right now to ratchet down his ADHD meds he's had to take for decades. He's a software engineer in WA and without the meds he couldn't stare at code every day. He's been using the oil for the past couple weeks to see if he can wean off the meds which apparently have other side effects he's not happy with. And it's working. There is a mountain of uses for this stuff besides recreational.

[hoorta]

one of my good friends, who is as right wing as you can get without sleeping on top of a bible every night...is using the oil right now to ratchet down his ADHD meds he's had to take for decades. He's a software engineer in WA and without the meds he couldn't stare at code every day. He's been using the oil for the past couple weeks to see if he can wean off the meds which apparently have other side effects he's not happy with. And it's working. There is a mountain of uses for this stuff besides recreational.

 

I agree- and I'll give you this final thought that occurred to me last night before I head out to vote.

 

Those that are opposed because of a "monopoly" you know what else is a "monopoly"? The Ohio Department of Liquor Control. If you want to sell booze in the State of Ohio- everything has to go through them. They set the legal prices on everything, and there's a very controlled markup as spirits, wine, and beer move from the wholesale to the retail level. Ain't that way in Kentucky. On a personal level- it gets me POed, because Ohio won't touch a liquor product if they can't sell 10,000 cases of it (with rare exceptions).

[Westside Steve]

Yeah Hoorta, the street dealers could certainly undercut the big boys by eliminating taxes etc.

But if your profit from chopping up and selling a pound of weed is reduced by 90% it's hardly worth the effort anymore. That would be like me making IPA and selling it for five or six bucks a six pack instead of 10. When I used to get 70 bucks for it.

 

WSS

[VaporTrail]

 

I agree- and I'll give you this final thought that occurred to me last night before I head out to vote.

 

Those that are opposed because of a "monopoly" you know what else is a "monopoly"? The Ohio Department of Liquor Control. If you want to sell booze in the State of Ohio- everything has to go through them. They set the legal prices on everything, and there's a very controlled markup as spirits, wine, and beer move from the wholesale to the retail level. Ain't that way in Kentucky. On a personal level- it gets me POed, because Ohio won't touch a liquor product if they can't sell 10,000 cases of it (with rare exceptions).

 

 

Yeah Hoorta, the street dealers could certainly undercut the big boys by eliminating taxes etc.

But if your profit from chopping up and selling a pound of weed is reduced by 90% it's hardly worth the effort anymore. That would be like me making IPA and selling it for five or six bucks a six pack instead of 10. When I used to get 70 bucks for it.

 

WSS

 

Why should only the 10 richest groups of people who are capable of mass producing marijuana be allowed to do so? What about the 11th richest? 12th? 30th? Last time I checked, competition is a good thing for the customers. When Kasich relaxed the brewery restrictions, the craft beer scene got a lot better.

 

Also, early results, with 28% reporting has issue 3 at 66% no, issue 2 at 52% yes. This does not include many of the more populated counties.

[bbedward]

Issue 3 and RO has failed

 

Better get behind OTEP for next year

[Westside Steve]

Hey Vapor, I can't imagine giving less of a fuck about who is the 10th or 11th richest guy. Or the dreaded monopoly.

Unless it would be about all the dopers whining for the next few years.

 

WSS

[bbedward]

Hey Vapor, I can't imagine giving less of a fuck about who is the 10th or 11th richest guy. Or the dreaded monopoly.

Unless it would be about all the dopers whining for the next few years.

 

WSS

When I was filling in my ballot today I couldn't believe it said "establishes a monopoly..." right at the top of the amendment in the big text.

 

Once I saw that I knew it was over for 3 - low information voters likely would have said NO off the bat, not counting the other challenges 3 faced.

 

I think 18-30 voters failed to turn out as usual too.

[Westside Steve]

When I was filling in my ballot today I couldn't believe it said "establishes a monopoly..." right at the top of the amendment in the big text.

 

☆ man ain't that the truth! Just ridiculous.☆

 

Once I saw that I knew it was over for 3 - low information voters likely would have said NO off the bat, not counting the other challenges 3 faced.

 

I think 18-30 voters failed to turn out as usual too.

Probably true. My buddy who is this close to a real old hippie as anyone I can imagine was fed a line of shit from his pals at NORML.

 

WSS

[medicineman]

And nobody should be knocking oxycotton.