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1 hour ago, The Gipper said:

No, it doesn't....not one damned bit......because you have the fact pattern all wrong.   Whatever was said by Rudolph was said while the two of them were on the ground wrestling.   It was what Rudolph said, along with him trying to wrench Garrett's helmet off that  infuriated him....causing him to then drag Rudolph by the helmet. 

We're not sure what he was called, but I've heard rumors it was the b word (boy).

Regardless of what was said, Rudolph looked weak in his response and guilty.

15 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

If the same exact situation would have played out in reverse, the same people on here saying things like "it was like a pillow hitting Rudolph" would be demanding a public hanging for the Steelers player who did it to Baker. 

I don't have a problem with Garrett being suspended for the rest of the season. My problem lies with Rudolph getting off without a second lost to suspension. My hope is that he gets his a week from tomorrow. 

That's been my argument all around and I completely agree with you man.

Just now, TexasAg1969 said:

Like I say cal is the expert in conspiracies here. If you make any conspiracy type comments you are required to send him $10 as he has a corner on the market.😂

I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, i'm saying they favor certain teams. 

3 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Careful there. You are treading on cal territory now. He be mad!😜

Lol after Pouncey's suspension is reduced and Garrett is still in limbo?

11 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

First... no one was "mic'd up" for the game. NFL Films does the mic'ing up and they did not elect to do so that nite. That said.... A nationally televised game gets more cameras and field mics than regional games, so there might be some sound out there somewhere...

 

Second... appeals are all about impressing the appeals honchos with your sincere regrets for whatever you did... and that starts with how you dress. I saw MG arriving at the league office and literally said aloud, "Oh shit." He wore an electric blue suit over a turtleneck to a setting that demanded a medium gray over a white shirt with a dark green tie. Visuals matter... I assure you Myles started off in a hole.

On top of the above he springs "the slur". True or not it rings of excuse... and that's not what you want to project.

 

I agree with those that expect the NFLPA to sue.

 

Last... Today, NFL Live essentially did an entire show on Myles' "revelation". Consensus was that while , if true, it helped to understand his reaction, it would not impact his punishment. Only one "panelist", Ryan Clark,  commented that they had already heard that a slur was involved.

Ryan also alluded to Rudolph having some social media history with "racial issues" ... deleted tweets and the like... but neither Ryan nor google has elaborated.

 

I have to restate that to not have replaced "indefinite" with a number, is just wrong...

 

 

If he told the truth, or more importantly his truth that's all that matters to me.

But honestly man, I have a hard time thinking the NFL isn't biased against the Browns. Maybe it's because our town had a fit after they moved us to Baltimore, I just don't get it.

The Patriots, Steelers, and other teams constantly get off the hook and the media is always looking for ways to tear us down.

I'd love to win out more than anything just to get them to shutup.

I can even remember talking heads on ESPN saying we weren't good and the Ravens just played bad when we beat them. We never get any credit.

Freddie is growing on me. Sure, he's in over his head, but he's taking steps to be a leader and keep the team together.

Hopefully this makes the team come together stronger.

Basically we’re either saying Rudolph is a liar or Myles is a liar. That is the truth, the third Perspective that actually happened. Myles would have to be the lowest of humans to lie. Does it really make sense for him to do all that and possibly ruin his career without something drastic like that? Rudolph had cause to do something stupid, he initiated it and charged Myles, so you think it’s beyond the scope of him saying anything? Either the league releases the audio, or to me it’s admitting Rudolph is at fault and Myles is telling the truth. I just don’t think Myles has a lot to gain by lying unless you believe he’s a completely trash human, and that I don’t believe. Rudolph embodies the frat boy rich kid who thinks he’s invincible from every college and has never got his ass kicked. 

Today, all i've been hearing is how Mason Rudolph also used a racial slur at Myles during the fight before he went berserk.

Like I said before, like the Japanese film Rashomon, there's three different stories. Myles perspective of what happened, Rudolphs perspective of what happened, and what actually happened.

The media only showed the sack and Myles hitting Rudolphs head in slow motion. They left out when Rudolph charged Myles. They painted Rudolph to be the victim and he played the victim.

But when it gels down to the bottomline, he was immensely provoked. I believe I stated this from the beginning, that this is out of character for Myles and that I wouldn't be surprised if Rudolph said something racial or extremely offensive to Myles since he reacted that way. And low and behold, that's what comes out today. Kitchen said he wouldn't repeat what Rudolph told Myles and Rudolph said "Words were said". Apparently they were bad words.

Gipper, Tour, even Cal in many aspects were correct also.

If you look at this situation objectively, Myles dropped Rudolph, he initiated his helmet and tried to take it off first, kicked him in the balls, and called him a racial slur. Then instead of Decastro grabbing Rudolph and holding him back, he grabs Myles, and Rudolph charges him trying to yell something and get a punch in. Then with the only free hand Myles has, he whacks him.

Yes it was a horrible thing to do and Myles should be punished, but the truth comes out. Myles was punched by a man in his car and didn't react. It's totally unlike him to hit Rudolph.

Ask yourself who initiated the fight, who antagonized the fight, who kept it going, who chased after who, and who just snapped because another man was literally trying to fight him.

Ask yourself if Larry O, who was sticking up for his teammate against a punk who initiated a fight against him deserves a suspension for pushing him down.

Rudolph is an entitled Frat Boy and the fact that he didn't get suspended is ridiculous. He should get the same as Myles, I said it from day one.

I wonder how the players in the league are going to treat Rudolph after this information today.

I think everyone is aware what Myles did was wrong.

But like the Japanese classic Film "Rashomon" you have to look at all perspectives.

Mason's Perspective, Myles' Perspective, and the Outside perspective considering all that happened.

What happened? Tomlin and Freddie kept their starters in.... Mason was sacked, Tried to do something cheap to Myles. Myles wasn't having it, Mason tried to kick him in the balls and pull his facemask off.

Then instead of holding Mason back (If the Steelers players would of held Mason back, my bet is Garrett would've walked away), they hold and carry away Myles while Rudolph charges him. How stupid do you have to be to charge a guy who's being held by two of your teammates. And if anyone doesn't see that as  threatening, that's ridiculous. Let's let two guys hold you as another guy charges you.

Mason should get the same punishment Myles got. Myles deserves to be punished and suspended multiple games, but letting Rudolph play the victim is just plain wrong. The way this all played out was solely because of him instigating the fight. Without him instigating, nothing would've happened.

That being said, I think four games is fair, even the rest of the reason is fair, but for Mason to get off Scott free it's an insult to players everywhere.

Suspend myles the rest of the season if you must, but into next year, that's just making an example out of us.

People make mistakes and I get it. And for Damien Woody and Keyshawn Johnson, you're a couple of simpletons that are both overreacting.

Max Kellerman actually had a good take on it. People need to look at the entire situation instead of one point of it.

I hope Myles learns from this, and I hope Rudolph quits playing the victim. Because nobody felt sorry for us when Pittsburgh kicked our kicker in the face, when Harrison cheapshotted us, when all the cheapshots happened to us. So give me a break with the poor Steelers dirty Browns BS.

We'll come back stronger from this.

4 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

I would think the refs will have a very, VERY short leash on the players that day. 

It's going to be an odd game regardless of what happens

I don't think anyone condones Myles' behavior, but cmon.

Vagitron, this whole "Mason Rudolph is the Victim" thing is bullshit. You have to be blind not to see it.

Suspend Myles and Rudolph for the same amount of games.

Suspend Pouncey and Larry OG for the same amount of games.

Freddie, Myles, And Rudolph all said that, "words were exchanged". What about those words?

Keyshawn Johnson want to do hypotheticals about "what if Rudolph was seriously hurt", well what if Rudolph called Myles a racial slur while he kicked him in the nuts? what if he said something about his kids, wife, or family. We don't know that and it's fairly probable.

The Steelers did this because they were beat and sore losers. They baited the heck out of Myles. If another dude is saying horrible stuff to you, twisting your facemask to the side, and kicking you in the balls, you retaliate if you can't get away.

Rudolph still proceeded to talk shit. Decastro was the biggest man in the situation trying to diffuse it. He acted with class trying to get Myles and Rudolph separated, but Rudolph CHARGED Myles to talk more shit and that's when Myles saw red and hit him. It was a horrible situation, and no one can defend it. But no one should make excuses for Rudolph like he's a victim that got his hand caught in big bad Myles Garrett's facemask. He's a punk, a pretty little egotistical punk, and he wanted a fight.

When the fight actually happened he cried wolf. I don't believe for a second Myles hit him as hard as he could as people are saying.

Bottom line is they both engaged in punk ass behavior. Even if Rudolph called Myles a racial slur it's uncalled for. But looking at the whole situation, you can see Rudolph did his best for a reaction and then to play the victim.

Suspend Myles for the rest of the season if you must, but suspend Rudolph with him. He started it, continued talking shit, and charged him after all.

And shame on the league for Pouncey's "I saw red and blacked out and don't remember what happened" defense. They say good on Pouncey for protecting him, but pouncey punched Garrett and kicked him in the head. He didn't protect anyone, he assaulted as much as Garrett did. Descastro really protected both of them by stopping the fight.

And for Larry, good for him. Mason called him a "b@#$%" when he pushed him down if you look at the tape.

Looks like evidence there mr. punk QB was looking to start shit.

Just wished Myles could've been a better man.

56 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Or as I said Mike Tomlin started it by calling a play like that with eight seconds left instead of taking a fucking knee when the game was lost. He deserves Criticism for that

Mike Tomlin tried to trip Jacoby Jones on a kickoff during a game. I think he’s the last person that should talk about ethics or what’s right and wrong in the nfl. That being said, mason started the fight, set the trap, and Myles fell for it. Now mason can play the victim. Is what Garrett did completely horrible and uncalled for? Yes? Was a reaction like that what Rudolph wanted? Yes...... now he doesn’t have to play Myles and he’s the poor victim. 

damn, no good!

guess we're back to higgins

13 hours ago, bjh2130 said:

I'm sorry but when I think of weapons (I think skill position) I don't see how you only view it as possibly having better weapons.

OBJ vs Smith Schuster (adv OBJ)

Landry vs Johnson or Washington (adv Landry)

Higgins and Callaway vs the one not chosen above and Switzer (close but I've got Higgy and Callaway)

Chubb and Hunt vs Connor and Samuel/Snell (adv chubb and Hunt)

Harris vs McDonald/Vannet (this is only weapon I give advantage to squeelers and if its njoku also it's real close)

The browns absolutely have more talented weapons without question. 

We have more talent, but one could argue they have better coaching.

Minkah is playng out of this world right now and the D is no joke.

It's a matter of correct playcalling.

6 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

A few thoughts after watching the Steelers/Rams late afternoon tilt yesterday....

Bottom Line: We've got a shot, but PTG is a much better team than they were just three weeks ago...

Offense:

• Rudolph.... the kid stands in there... have to give him that. But his play is very streaky... he runs hot and cold from series to series, so sometimes he stands in there to take a sack (or worse) and sometimes to deliver a strike to a young WR corps. If we pressure him, then he should not be the difference in this game.
• RB Committee.... injuries are limiting 2 of the top 3 RBs on this roster... those stepping in are energetic, but the skills gap is showing.
• WR Committee.... JuJu has yet to establish himself as a solid #1... meanwhile Washington has the look of a real #2.
• TEs... they've a couple good ones in McDonald and Vanett. They are going to give us some trouble. but the game should not turn on their play.
• OL... it's a good one and the strength of this Offense, but it is not unbeatable as LAR showed early and often... would that we had a Donald inside, but we can bring better edge pressure than the Rams did. A good mix of blitz is called for this game.

Defense:

No bullet points here...

This D is now very good going on damn good since the addition of Fitzpatrick at FS. He was their missing piece. He has set them up to play zone effectively a high percentage of the time. Even Haden looks renewed. With Micah they are now solid up the middle.... and the edges don't look too bad either.

This is not to say they won't yield points... they will... and the route is by imposing our will on them... on the ground. If we can run on their 3-man front when Mark Barron is "filling" an ILB role we can wear them down. They must pay a price for going undersized on top of being out-maned.

Then, as MN did to DAL last night, we have to PAP our asses off....

 

Thar's what I see anyway for this must win, divisional game....

 

Their rookie WR from Toledo looks like a stud too.

It's a winnable game and Rudolph is very meh and streaky like you suggested.

I think Connor will be back, but our weapons are greater than Pittsburghs.

BEST:

#1 Mangini - The guy had heart and discipline. He wasn't perfect but players fought for him and they respected him. I loved the dudes passion.

#2 Gregg W - Again, only an interim head coach, but he had our players disciplined and fighting. They were afraid of him getting mad and he wasn't afraid to call people out. Say it was Freddie or anyone else who caused us to win, but the truth is, even though Gregg is kind of an asshole, he lead that ship when we did the turn around.

#3 Butch D - He wasn't perfect, but we actually had a playable football team under him a couple of years. His defense forced a league leading 33 interceptions, and the team played hard for him. He's my least favorite of the top three, but he at least was smart enough to win football games.

WORST:

#1 Huebatross - The man is a living meme.... From jumping into the lake, to not winning a game, to not taking accountability, to making boneheaded decisions and not having any clock management, there was a MASSIVE number of times he left me puzzled at what he did. Also, Had his buddy write stories and went on a tour on ESPN after we fired him, LOL. The guy is the worst. Don't forget his Mr. Hero commercials either.

#2 Shurmur - Lifeless, boneheaded, and he picked to coach because fatty liked him. Shurmur was in over his head, was boring, and also made dumb decisions. Hue was horrible but at least he had a personality and we can laugh about him now. Shurmur was just horrible in all aspects.

#3 Palmer - Just trash. Way to bring back the football team when I was a little kid only to bring sadness and disappointment. Granted, it's not all his fault (the draft was kinda meh), but my gosh, the Team didn't play for this guy. He didn't have a personality and I wanted him out.

FREDDIE:

Doesn't deserve to be in this category really I feel until the season is over. He's in over his head, he seemed like the kind hillbilly who likes to drink beer and can run an offense, but as a leader of men I just don't see it. He's too soft, he can't get mean, and doesn't know how to hold men accountable. People think he's a pushover. I mean if Callaway did show up late to a game what do you think Bill B from New England would do? Get some damn discipline Freddie.

As of now, his decision making is as boneheaded as Hue's was, and I think it's too hard to call an offense and be head coach at the same time unless you're incredibly gifted. Hue couldn't do it and Freddie can't either. Either Freddie will start winning, or he will lose the fans and the locker room and everyone will check out. I'm going to remain optimistic and say we finish out hella strong though and destroy the Steelers. We just have too many damn weapons.

I've heard multiple reports the Callaway benching was for one game only and it was because he showed up late to the Bills game.

This needs to be verified, but multiple people have been saying so, and it's all over reddit as well.

1 hour ago, nickers said:

Does anyone get the sense that Higgy  is trying to pull a Josh Gordon and make his way to NE?

I think Higgins feels undervalued. ODB and Landry and then Callaway screws off and as soon as he gets back he's ahead of Higgy in the depth chart. That would make me feel weird as well.

Hue loved Higgins and I think Freddie likes Callaway better. Heck, Dorsey might too.

42 minutes ago, bbedward said:

Depends on how the coach decides to fit him into the game plan, so I'm pretty doubtful he'll make a difference.

This exactly. Look at Reid and the KC gameplan. Matt Moore, and Damien Williams look like studs because of the execution.

It isn't so much the players as it is the execution and the gameplan.

Mediocre playcalling that other teams are able to guess isn't going to win games.

Defensive coordinators know Freddie plays an Arians style offense, and they're ready for it everytime.

He needs to get more creative.

I think much of the Baker credit from last year was undeserved for Freddie.

Think about it, in Baker's press conference, he states that he told Freddie he could get it on 4th down. He also stated that he told Freddie to challenge the play, so Freddie immediately challenged it.

Is it possible Freddie is giving too much trust in Baker, and letting him do his own thing too much? Freddie does what Baker tells him....

Last year it seemed way more structured, and we had a better hierarchy. This year, the adjustments are few and far between, and the playcalling is lackluster at best.

I get that Freddie is in over his head, but that doesn't excuse some of the boneheadedness that's been going on. Such as Hilliard playing on key third downs while Chubb sits on the bench.

Freddie was rushed, and lets face it, Baker didn't train as hard as last year this offseason. He got married and was doing commercials. Who knows whats going on with him and his wife and his head doesn't seem to be in the right place. No longer do we have people like Joe Thomas to keep things together, and we replaced Zeitler with a journeyman like Kush that could never cut it.

I don't understand how we'd drop so much money on our team, but not invest in an O-Line.

If we keep up a losing culture and have no leadership, how are we going to keep these stars?

And for those talking heads that say D'Arnold is better than Baker, well you're just plain wrong....

Enough with the negative nancying around.

- We have nothing but winnable games in the future.

- Dorsey needs to step up and figure out how to make the o-line better

- Freddie needs to quit being a teddy bear and figure out how to get mad. To hold people accountable. Benching Robinson was a step in the right direction.

- Chubb should run all over Denver

- Baker desperately needs to have a great game.

- We have our CB's back. The only passing threat Denver has is Sutton for us.

If we shut down Royce Freeman and Phillip Lindsay, we should be golden.

Denver has a great D, but between Landry and Beckham, we should be able to get some serious yards.

Enough of the Bubble screens though. Run some big boy plays.

32 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Heuerman was a pretty darn good TE at Ohio State.  So I at least have heard of him.

But, your point is taken.

Sutton is damn good. But yeah, hopefully we bring our A-game and the O-Line does work.

48 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

Still not as bad as Wheezy's backhanded INT...

... but somehow this is not a comfort.

 

I was at that game.

My god was that awful to watch. i'll never forget the feeling.....

20 minutes ago, CoachTodd10 said:

First of all, that is ancient history. No real coach wants to live in Cleveland.

How are the Sonics doing bro?

Wouldn't it be cool if you could go to their forum?

2 minutes ago, CoachTodd10 said:

I know you are miserable. I feel bad for you. The Browns are losing and Cleveland is a polluted dump. The Hawks are 6-2 and are in the middle of a rebuild. We are not even playing good ball yet. Wait til we hit our stride! I pray that you can find a job and move soon. Good luck friend!

It's really sad you have nothing better to do but with your time.

Go back to your own forum.