Gunz41

Obviously I can't see the game (as discussed in the map thread) so I can't comment on if the flags are warranted or not, but you seem to be complaining about every flag. And sure fans do that. But you haven't said a word about any flag on Tenn. So it is hard to believe you would be complaining about them if it were reversed Just an observation

From what I remember, it was their owner who was racist. He hadn't integrated and was told by someone he had to or would lose his stadium. But he wouldn't Draft a black man, so he left it up to his gm. They drafted him, but Davis said he wouldn't play for them because of this so Paul Brown made the trade (without the approval of Modell).

True, as in same way Eli was never drafted by Giants

I don't hate the Patriots like most, but I just don't think this was anything underhanded by them. As far as with Antonio, I honestly have no clue. I think he has real problems, not ones to be joked about. He could have been trying to get out, but doesn't explain all his behavior in Pittsburgh. I don't think he has acted the same since that vicious shot he took from Burfict

Has signed with the Patriots. Reported 1 year deal worth up to 15 million with 9 million signing bonus. If he can't act right there then I doubt he is in league in future.

How do you know I don't wear a Cape haha

Haha. I read that as Southwest Virginia. Wow. I certainly screwed that up haha. It was late is all I can say haha

Yea, but being in Virginia it just seems so weird someone else in VA would get CLE while I get the Edgar Allen Poes. He is probably closer to other teams than me. O well

I have no clue what you are talking about, and nope its just hard to find a post where you didn't put your 2 cents in, and about just as hard to find a thread where you weren't rude or pissed someone off.

You aren't that far from me, I wonder why you get them and I get Baltimore

Yea, Baltimore/Miami here 🤢😡

You at least put in a little bit of time in responding this time, let's give you credit there. 1. Answered later 2. It doesn't have anything to do with expecting you (or anyone else) to know the X's and O's. You missed the point. I have seen you tell people on the board that when they didn't do your trivia that it was because they weren't smart enough, or when they answer more than you expected that they cheated. When the facts are that they could have not done it because they didn't see it, didn't want to do it, or other reasons. The point is, what makes you the authority to tell anyone they didn't do it because they weren't smart enough? 3. Not the point, and I think you know that. The point of bringing up whoever that player is and you not knowing who they were, is that you have gone out of your way to be rude to posters who disagreed with you on a number of topics. And that doesn't matter one iota if you are right or wrong. There is no reason to be nasty because someone doesn't agree with you. That is what I take issue with. In that Luck thread, when people disagreed with your opinion, you were quick to point out that your opinion means just as much as anyone elses. But you APPEAR to not afford others the same respect. Do you disagree? 4. Your responses came off as if you were disagreeing with that. As from my 1st response to you was that I was viewing franchise by city, and you kept saying by nickname. Again, I said that ME, MYSELF, I could have misinterpreted your meaning of the question, yet you didn't want to take that response. So you came off that I (and anyone else) should interpret your question the exact way it was meant. I'll give you a broad example. I know you would make a snide comment about it, so I will just say I know you aren't religious. But me and 5 other people could read something in the Bible and interpret it slightly differently. 5. With the Clemson thing, you actually didn't initially say you were wrong, and that was my point in bringing it up. I don't remember you saying you were wrong ever, but let's just say you did. You said that (not going to type it again), and when questioned about it you spun it like your comment was misunderstood or that you weren't wrong. And even in this very response you had to give yourself credit (out of 1000 factoids I was wrong once). You may not realize this, but someone else did this, and he also would resort to calling people insults when they had a differing opinion. 6. I obviously answered this above, I misinterpreted your question, and apparently misinterpreted your comments that you were using nicknames and I was using city FOR WHATEVER REASON. Again, it came off like YOU were saying that nicknames were what you and the NFL used as a franchise, and MYSELF was saying that I/NFL use the city/location. And NEITHER were incorrect. Now, since those have all been answered now, I will say this. I don't dislike you, I don't even know you. And quite often I like reading your posts and even trivia. But I don't like or agree how you appear to come off with a double standard and talking down to others. And obviously since I have seen it mentioned I am not the only one who sees it. So IF you don't know it, and would like to be better understood, you come off as arrogant, someone who acts as if they know more than others, as someone who thinks that their opinion is fact, and if others disagree the response is to be rude, and of someone who will exhaust all options (including spinning) to not admit that they could be wrong. Now if it doesn't bother you how any of that comes off then by all means continue what you are doing. But if you didn't realize that then just letting you know

I'm completely done with this. You are absolutely so set in your ways that you refuse to see any other perspective on anything. And you are so freaking smug with it that you actually think it means that you have this vast knowledge of the game. When in fact you really don't, and if faced with your own quiz you wouldn't get nearly as many as others. And that is just about the history of the game. We won't even get into if there was trivia on the actual game. And I have facts on this forum to back that up. When a player has been brought up, you are so out of it that you don't even know what position they play I'll explain it reallllllyyyyy slow for you. I will abso-fuc*ing-lutely guarantee that if in the next few years a team or 2 is added that the news will come out...""insert city name" has been awarded a franchise." Which has been my ENTIRE point. A franchise is NOT just identified as their nickname, but their city. If you are too stubborn, thick headed, or blinded by your own self righteousness to admit that then by all means. In fact, you are the type that thinks that your typed words are supposed to be interpreted the exact way you meant them, and if not it cant possibly be your fault. Perfect example is after the NC game. You claim that you meant one thing, yet your words asked how was it that Clemson played an extra REGULAR SEASON GAME over anyone else. In the other instances I have seen you get into arguments on here you seem to think that it is caused because of your OPINION, and in none of those cases was it because of that. But you didn't like being questioned so you try to make yourself the victim. So, I will ONCE AGAIN tell you how THIS POST comes off. AGAIN, it may not be your intent, but how you are being perceived. Cleveland has the NFL FRANCHISE (MY VIEW) Browns have the NFL FRANCHISE (YOUR VIEW) And guess what? You AREN'T WRONG, BUT... NEITHER AM I

You are still not seeing the point, even when you use my point. 1. I didn't say YOU created the exception, only that you used the exception. You absolutely are interpreting in which manner a Franchise is considered a franchise. That is the ENTIRE POINT. Aside from the confusion about what you wanted for the question, which I acknowledged in my 1st response that I could be interpreting incorrectly, this has been my point. So maybe go back and read what I have written and maybe you will see how I have said that, you are telling me I am incorrect and then you referencing the SAME THING I AM SAYING. And the celebrity question wasn't to say that the question was based on any fact, quite the opposite. It was to show that 2 or more people can read a question and interpret what the question is asking differently. 2. You saying that those cities were awarded franchises is MY EXACT POINT. Maybe within your disagreeing you actually forgot what it is that you were disagreeing about. So I will go back and write what I said: 13. Can't say I was right or wrong there, as those had other names as those cities. I said Jets because of 2 NY teams. But, I will try and acquiesce Dallas- was the Texans, which is now KC Houston- Oilers Pittsburgh- Pirates Baltimore- Colts New York- Titans Cleveland- Rams, which is now LA Rams Now if you meant something different, that is not how I read it. So that could either be my fault for not reading it correctly, or the structure of your question made it unclear of what you wanted. As I have said numerous times, based on what you wanted your answer to be my answers were incorrect. But, and the part you seem to be ignoring is that your question wasn't exactly clear. But I am not concerned about that issue. I said I would chalk that up as an L. The bigger issue, which you simply cannot defend is a stance that FRANCHISE can be viewed by either your premise as "Browns, Cowboys, Chiefs, etc" or from mine "Cleveland, Dallas, Kansas City, etc).

But the problem with that is with the example is you already had an exception. And yes it is semantics. Because just like the Rams can pick up and move (with approval from the board/league), a city could change their nickname (i.e. the talk about the Redskins). So this back and forth is ALL about semantics, or how 2 individuals read/interpret something. But just look back in your brain some years ago. Forget Baltimore for a second, in 1995 and 2002 was Carolina, Jacksonville, and Houston awarded expansion franchises or were the Panthers, Jaguars, and Texans awarded franchises? See the difference between you and I, is I actually understand your reasoning, yet I don't think you care to understand mine. The franchises ARE awarded to cities, in fact in a number of circumstances the team is given its nickname by fans in a contest type thing. Again it is semantics. You view/read/accept a franchise as the nickname largely based upon the ability of a team like the Rams, Raiders, etc to move to a new city while staying as the same franchise. I view/read/accept a franchise as the city/location because that is where it is awarded, and that with the same procedure that a team moves to a new city can change its nicknames. Again, I admitted in my answer to the questions, and afterwards that I could have gotten the question incorrect by what you wanted the answer to be. Try this one on for size, and only thing I could come up with quickly (that could be interpreted differently) Name the hottest actress within 30 years? That could be read as 30 or younger, so let's say Jennifer Lawrence or could be in last 30 years so we can use your favorite Kaley Cuoco. Or the answer could be the same either way, use Kate Upton. Or even just a broader view question like name the hottest celebrity. There could be multiple ways to answer that (not just people having different tastes). Hottest could mean appearance or most buzz/work/news etc.

Sure he could, but he was already bigger at that point. He could get back some of it, but it would take time and the quicker he did it the more unhealthy. He was 312 lb. Over a year ago he was down 50 lbs. Probably an extra 30+ more since. And going into Wisconsin he was 270.

And you are so set in your ways that you refuse to see something any other way. A franchise can be viewed from a city perspective or by the nickname. Again, a good example is Seattle losing their NBA franchise. It is semantics. I couldn't care less how you view it, but your refusal to see anyone's opposite POV is nobodies fault but your own. And the fact that with my initial response I said that it COULD be me reading it wrong or you having a different meaning is obviously in NO way me telling you that you are wrong. It's just a different perspective. But don't believe me, one I don't care, two, if I did, just look at Seattle Sonics. If the SAME name came back, they LOST their franchise, whereas Cleveland Browns didn't. So exactly how can you say that 2 things cant be true? If you can actually explain how those 2 things are different yet should be views the same I will proclaim you right, and if you cant then you should acquiesce the same

Simply not true my friend. I can't remember the last time that a sport has added someone (except maybe soccer), but I have certainly heard as an example "Seattle has been awarded an NBA franchise" It's all just semantics, but either way that is how I read it. But to go by your rules, Chicago Bears were at 1st the Staleys and Washington Braves. And if you want one more obscure, the original name of the Raiders was Senors

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NFC: East: Dallas, West: Rams, North: Packers: South: Saints; WC: Eagles, Bears AFC: East: Patriots, West: Chiefs, North: Browns, South: Texans; WC: Steelers, Chargers AFC Championship: Chiefs vs. Patriots NFC Championship: Cowboys vs. Saints Super Bowl: Chiefs vs. Saints MVP: Baker DPOY: Donald OROY: Murray DROY: William's 1st Pick: Bucs

You didn't read my comment, by your question those are correct. The comment said that the way I read it, or the way you wrote it that I went by the cities. Baltimore and Cleveland have NFL franchises, and they have had different names, i.e. Ravens and Rams. If you want to reword it, or explain how you want it answered then I will change my answers

QB: I'll give a slight edge to Ben in present, but future goes to Cleveland RB: I'll say at the moment you could say a push for day 1 starter (I think Chubb is slightly better, but I can see a Steeler fan saying opposite). But with Hunt, Browns favor. WR- Browns by a good amount TE- Browns slight edge OL: Steelers for sure DL: Browns overall, but I am not a huge fan of Vernon. LB: I give Steelers the edge CB: I think this is a huge advantage Browns S: Small advantage Cleveland (Edmunds/Randall push, Burnett over Davis ST: Steelers So even if I give Pitt the benefit of doubt on a couple Pitt: 4 CLE: 5 Push: 1

11. Ahh, 9 in 20s and 8 in this decade. 8. Yep, have to admit I was wrong there. Got St. Louis Cardinals and Rams jumbled in my head. 13. Can't say I was right or wrong there, as those had other names as those cities. I said Jets because of 2 NY teams. But, I will try and acquiesce Dallas- was the Texans, which is now KC Houston- Oilers Pittsburgh- Pirates Baltimore- Colts New York- Titans Cleveland- Rams, which is now LA Rams Now if you meant something different, that is not how I read it. So that could either be my fault for not reading it correctly, or the structure of your question made it unclear of what you wanted. 3. For some reason, I have always had that in my mind. But it's not close its Green Bay. 6. Dallas 14. SF

Of course she is a gorgeous woman. And with the look of her fiance, all of us regular guys would have a chance haha

Let's go through this again, as you can tell I try to tell it like it is without blinders on. Who has the edge? QB: RB: WR: TE: OL: DL: LB: CB: S: ST: